CT Rumor: Disney to Release Unaltered Old Trilogy on BR

As i said before, classics like Star Wars, Wizard of Oz, Gone with the Wind and Casablanca do not need to be "enhanced", expecialy when these so called enhancements start looking their age soon after they're released...

If he wanted to change stuff then, he should have had a clear idea of what he would and just do it, why coming back again and again? Changin minor stuff that wasn't neceessary?

How was R2 hiding more important? His edit created a continuity error between scenes and the rocks blocked R2 from even coming into the cave.

You act as if fanboys are the only ones asking for the original cuts, that's simply not true, even film buffs want the original cuts unaltered to be made widely public because of the sheer importancy of these films, ddenying that fact seems so weird to me, the original cuts were the ones released when Star Wars was in the peak of its popularity and was the biggest franchise around, the Special Editions however are even parodied for some of their dumbest changes. And yeah, Greedo shooting and failing does take a bit away from Han's arc, that's how a film works, it was perfect set up before he became a better person, the devil's in the details.

Regarding Lucas co-Directing the original trilogy, him co-directing doesn't make the films entirely his, expecialy when he edits a film whose other Director has already died. But the weirdest case is Empire Strikes Back, as most sources say he was disappointed with it, and it was the film he had the least involvement with, however it's arguably the best Star War film. He keeps editing these films as if he was the only reason they worked, but he wasn't, hell, the original Star Wars was saved in the editing room by his ex-wife Marcia.

George doesn't even know what he wants from these edits, at first he wants a scene this way, then another, the edits should have fixed continuity errors, but he wastes time on these:



Anyway, don't deny the public the possibility of experiencing cinematic classics as they were original made and loved by the public

 

There were some details which I didn't notice in 97, that I didn't really realize until I was able to view comparisons on the internet years later. The more subtle stuff such as the changes in the X-Wing and TIE Fighter movements, and details with regards to what Luke says during the Battle of Yavin 4. I know that I'm not the only one in that regard. Hell, I'm the guy who didn't realize how badly composited the original approach to the Death Star was during the Battle of Yavin 4.

No, but he was executive producer on both films and had creative ownership over said films. By his own admission, he could make changes to those films. And in the end, he did have Kershner giving his approval.

I never heard anything of the sort. Just like I never heard people snickering when Anakin was having his nightmare about his mother in AOTC.

Lucas did have a clear view of what he wanted to change. That was what was in the 97 versions and have largely remained unchanged in subsequent releases. Any changes that didn't occur then were the result of having a limited budget set aside for those changes, as he only had $10 million to work with. The revised changes were the results of having A) a budget set aside for them, B) a change of heart with a couple of them and one that was more of a technical error than anything and C) the technology had improved again which allowed for more tweaking.

Paul Scanlon: That's the first time I've heard you say really positive things about one of your pictures. In the past, you have expressed disappointment for one reason or another.

George Lucas: Each film has accomplishments that I like. It's not that I didn't like the movies, but that if I look at them now, each one falls a bit short of what I had hoped it to be – because I guess I either set my sights a little bit lower, or we actually do get a little bit better. You look at the Jabba the Hutt scene [in Return of the Jedi] and say, ''Oh, that's what he wanted the cantina [in Star Wars] to be.'' Or you look at the end battle, and you say, ''Oh, that's what the end battle was supposed to be in the first one.'' But we couldn't have done this movie then. I mean, it just was not humanly possible or even financially possible. So, a lot of these things I have finally worked out. I finally got the end battle the way I wanted it, I got the ground battle that I wanted, I got the monsters the way I wanted them.

--Rolling Stone Magazine interview, 1983.


Jean Valley: What did you do on this film?

George Lucas: I provided the story and technical advice, like, does a robot do this or that? They shipped me the dailies and I looked at them. There were some problems. They were a little over budget, over schedule. That concerned me, because I only had so much money and I was afraid if they used it all up, we wouldn't be able to finish the movie. But I knew they were trying to do the best job they possibly could, and I thought the stuff looked terrific. It's truly Kershner's movie.

Valley: Does that make you sad?

Lucas: Well, it's still my story. I just didn't have to do all the work. [Smiling sheepishly] I feel Chewbacca is still my Wookiee and R2-D2 is still my little robot.

Valley: How would you have made the movie differently?

Lucas: Hard to describe. I look at a scene and think, "Gee, I wouldn't have done it that way." A lot of people have told me that The Empire is a better film than Star Wars, so whatever my disagreements were, well, Kershner was right.

--Rolling Stone Magazine interview, 1980.

A falsity. While Marcia was helpful, she wasn't the only one involved. Paul Hirsch and Richard Chew did the majority of the work, alongside both Lucas's. The difference is that Lucas didn't take credit for the edits, which is why he himself didn't take an Oscar. All official accounts confirm that he had a lot to do in the editing of ANH and by Spielberg's own admission, was the one who saved "Raiders Of The Lost Ark", which his edit of the opening of the Ark of the Covenant which is the version seen in theaters.

 

Maybe he used the extra space between him and the rock wall to his left that magically appears in the original version during "over-the-shoulder" shots of Artoo.




Oh no! A minor continuity error that only an obsessive nitpicker would ever notice or care about! Run for the hills!

 

It really baffles me why the SE-proponents continue to come here. Like, they have every right to, obviously, but what's the point? What do they gain? Why not allow people that prefer the original versions of the movie to discuss those versions here without being subjected to, "Yes but it's the original vision" over and over again. Like, no one here (as far as I'm aware) that dislikes the PT goes to threads on that board for the sole sake of bashing the films over and over and over again, because it would get tiring for people that do like those movies. At this point, it would probably be best if there were two separate threads, one to discuss the SE and one to discuss the OOT, because this thread is no longer about whether or not the OOT will ever be released, but rather an endless debate between two groups of people who will never, ever persuade the other group to their side of the argument. All I know is I would really love a place to discuss the OOT with people that love it and want to do the same. The only reason I keep coming back here is because as of now, this thread is paradoxically the closest thing to that and also the exact opposite of it.

 

^ What Pym said. I tire of the pointless arguing. It is achieving nothing. Having a preference for any take on these films isn't wrong and it'd be nice to discuss OOT without endlessly being nagged and harassed by those that think SE is all that.

 

I have never heard of the theater experiences that the posters on the last page talked about.The majority people in those theaters just went to go see a movie for fun. Not to nitpick. They dont sit on yt watching rlm and the 50 worst changes to the ot. I think maybe you guys heard some oot purists who went and seen it together. But its not like they didnt know it was going to be a SE when they went to see it.

 

Just because YOU haven't experienced it is hardly cause to nearly insinuate others are lying sir.

 

I agree with PymParticles

 

Im not saying what they said didnt happen. Im saying its VERY LIKELY most people in that theatre dont know about the changes. Look at the videos on yt that go over the changes. They dont have that many views compared to the sales of the SEs. That said many dont know of them. Some people in the theater might of known of the changes and disliked them. But thats probably what they meant. It wasnt the entire theater.

 

You sure are full of assumptions.

 

MOC Yak Face serious petition to have those two threads created. I know you mentioned a few weeks back the possibility of a thread specifically for the merits of the OOT, but I really do think that a pair of threads would help in allowing people to discuss the merits of two vastly different versions of the films without it becoming a pointless 40-page "This versus That" debate that never, ever ends.

 

PymParticles check your Inbox.

 

Executive Producer isn't the same thing as being a Director, anyway, not all of Lucas's ideas were good, and the people around him had to shoot him down several times. Even the script changed many times, his first drafts weren't very good. With Empire he didn't seem to understand why the film worked so well, edits like Vader walking out of the sky city for example were pretty much pointless to the narrative, we didn't need to see all of his steps to his shuttle.

Well, i've seen many fans doing better cuts with much less than 10 million. I also don't think Lucas needed that money to put rocks in front of R2D2, or to add the infamous "nooo!". He has even edited the greedo vs Han scene various time. A change of heart? I never argued that wasn't the case for these edits, my problem is that he keeps changing his heart regarding what he wants the scenes to look like, and the problem is that most of these changes are also realy pointless.

Is that supposed to be a counter argument? Doesn't contradict a thing of what i said

Can't comment on Raiders because i haven't heard about that story, but Marcia Lucas didn't just "help". The information that is usualy thrown around seems to downplay her involvement a little, but sources like Secret History of Star Wars and some of the people who we close to the making of the film mention how she would convince George to agree or not go with certain ideas. The stories that float around regarding the editiong room mention how Lucas was more interested in the plot, while Marcia was more interested in the emotions of the characters. The history books usualy seem to downplay or not talk much about her involvement in these films with Lucas, but let's not forget how she was a supervising editor in Alice doesn't live here anymore and Taxi Driver. I've actualy started to see some good film analysts like Film Critic Hulk arguing that American Graffiti wasn't well directed, but very well edited. I don't think it's a coincidence that once she left, Lucas's films started to get more criticism for "lacking emotion".

She was also important for Raiders of the Lost Ark btw:

"[Marcia] was instrumental in changing the ending of Raiders, in which Indiana delivers the ark to Washington. Marion is nowhere to be seen, presumably stranded on an island with a submarine and a lot of melted Nazis. Marcia watched the rough cut in silence and then levelled the boom. She said there was no emotional resolution to the ending, because the girl disappears. ‘Everyone was feeling really good until she said that,’ Dunham recalls. 'It was one of those, “Oh no we lost sight of that.” ’ Spielberg reshot the scene in downtown San Francisco, having Marion wait for Indiana on the steps on the government building. Marcia, once again, had come to the rescue.“"

Fixed. Anyway, i'm glad you were able to give such a great argument about how the added rocks were so important to the narrative.

 

I find it amusing that it's the same subset of handful of people that mock OOT folks for nitpicking SEs and PT that do the EXACT darned thing with OOT themselves.

 

I stopped into this thread hoping for any news regarding a possible OOT blu ray release.

Unfortunately, after going back a few pages, it seems I happened upon yet another OOT v SE, practical effects v CGI, "mine is bigger than yours" affair.

So, I guess I'll just ask, "Has there been any news?"

If so? Great. If not? Any word on when we might expect any possible update?

Thanks much!

 

Okay, if you really need it explained to you....

They're not super important. It's just that Artoo wasn't hidden very well, even though he was supposed to be, you know, hiding. Lucas apparently noticed this slight discrepancy after watching the movie one day, felt a bit bothered by it, and realized it was the kind of thing that could be fixed very easily. So he fixed it.

It's not a big deal. Lucas fully admits that most of the changes he makes don't really matter that much, and are only done to make himself feel better.The only people making a big deal out of it are the ones constantly whining and complaining about it.

 

Okay... I'm going to lock this for a while at least. It's been a long time since any actual rumours about the OOT's BR release were discussed and we're essentially going around in circles with the importance of film history v George Lucas's irrefutable right to see his vision realised argument. I think we can do better than that when it comes to discussing the different versions of the films.