Ahsoka Sabine

Under the results for 'M-Count' it said, "Mmm, nope!" and she thought to herself, "Wow, three Ms! I'm thrice the Jedi!"

 

Maybe Sabine's lack of using the Force will be explained by traumatic experiences of her youth that made her cynic and hard to open up both to other people and the Force. With learning how to use the Darksaber she was close to awakening her potential, but with her giving up on using the saber and giving it to Bo-Katan this opportunity was wasted.

 

Also it’s still possible she’s not force sensitive and by Master she just means Ahsoka continued to teach her how to fight with a lightsaber

 

If she's going to be fighting with a lightsaber against other force-sensitive warriors (Shin) and holding her own, then I would prefer she is force-sensitive herself. The Force grants Jedi precognition which makes them exceptional fighters, and Shin would presumably have this too. It should be extremely difficult if not impossible for non-sensitive warriors to compete with that, imo.

 

Right now the odds on my head are 70/30 on her being force sensitive or not.

also I have to assume some of her family died during the mandalorian purges. It would be weird if her brother, father and mother all survived.

If they don’t bring up the purge as it relates to her as she is inadvertently responsible for it. It’s a real wasted opportunity.

 

Yeah, they seem to be preparing us for that circumstance whether we like it or not with these trailers. So higher odds that she is force sensitive. A force-meta viewpoint on how it could be possible is that Kanan along with Hera took her in, and Kanan eventually took the time to train her in lightsaber combat including some of the spiritual side of it (how the crystal was alive and she had to bond with it) and Kanan eventually also sacrificed his life for her, so if all along she had force sensitivity and perhaps was too stubborn about it due to her upbringing and repressed the possibility, the will of the force after Kanan's sacrifice is for her to get another chance at being one of its increasingly fewer wielders. And maybe she finally takes notice after all those years being too Mandalorian to admit it to honor both Kanan and Ezra's legacy.

 

I just hope they do it right. Because the reason I really like her season 3 episodes is because she isn’t force sensitive. I give Dave the same odds on doing it right. But it does concern me.

I know some people who have rewatched rebels like I did say they think there are hints retroactively to her being force sensitive and I am like there are straight up Jedi who say she isn’t. If she is force sensitive it’s definitely not something Dave telegraphed at all in rebels.

 

Did they say she isn't? Genuinely curious, since I don't remember if it was directly stated.

 

Sabine is already hyper-competent, she was so many things in Rebels, that making her a Force sensitive/Jedi on top of that is just ridiculous. I really wonder what is the purpose behind focusing so heavily on that aspect in all the trailers/teasers.

 

Not directly. But it’s heavily implied by Kanan. Basically Hera asks why Kanan is going easy on Sabine during training with the dark saber and says something along the lines of is it because she doesn’t have the force. Kanan says no it’s her stubbornness basically. I guess you could technically read this either way. Now that I think about it.

Hell to be more precise now that I think about it Kanan says something along the lines of the force resides in all living things. It’s her stubbornness that blocks her from completing her training. Let me find a clip

can’t find a clip but this is the word for word conversation
Hera: Or maybe because she doesn’t have the force you don’t believe she can do this?

Kanan: No the force resides in all living things. You have to be open to it. Sabine is blocked her mind is conflicted. She is so expressive yet so tightly wound. She’s so…

Hera: Mandalorian

so I take back what I said. I misremembered it for a second

and no @Bor Mullet That doesn’t change my mind. Sure the force is in all living things. But I think there is a certain level of forceness. To actually you know use force push stuff like that. That’s what I don’t want Sabine to have.

also I know Yoda says more or less the same thing

 

Agreed, this is also why I really don't want it. She already has so many talents, they can find other ways to further explore her character without involving the force.

 

Mandalorians fighting Jedi/force users on somewhat even footing is nothing new, especially within the Filoni storytelling, so I’m not shocked by what we’ve seen so far.

My reading of all this is that the mentor/apprentice relationship with Ahsoka serves to connect the two characters who otherwise didn’t share a lot of screen time previously now that they’re paired up as the leads of this series.

 

I am not so sure, Mandos being equals to Jedi/Sith is more of a Traviss' thing. In TCW Vizsla was clearly inferior to both Kenobi and Ahsoka in fights with them, and his duel with Maul was rather continuous only because the latter did not use the Force and when he did he mockingly used Force choke on Bo-Katan; in Rebels Kanan gave a speech about Mandalorians losing the war against the Jedi even though they had their gadgets and tricks.

 

Sabine doesn’t exactly seem to be owning Shin in the snippets we’ve seen of their duel. She’s keeping up, but we also see her on the back foot and downed in a couple of shots, so I’m not sure she’s going to be startlingly different from Vizsla.

 

Hope so, since there is also a potential for improvement. If Sabine will be yet not able to defeat Shin in the first season it will be rather refreshing in contrast to Grand Inquisior being bested by Kanan, Gideon losing to Din at the end of every season and so on.

 

That's all before the Force 'awakens' in Sabine and she starts floating large boulders and pulling star destroyers out of the sky.

 

Well, that is also what is best to be left until season two.

 

Judging from the trailers, she's probably just early in her "force re-awakening" stage and is still not at full Jedi clarity yet.

 

But Ahsoka trained her in the past at some point. So maybe she discovered she had the force. Stopped using it when Ahsoka stopped training her and then restarted her training. Or maybe she’s just not good at using the force. Since I’m the trailer it almost seems like she’s trying to force push something.

I am still hopeful that she isn’t force sensitive

 

Deceptive Star Wars trailers have become such a staple I find myself almost inclined to assume the opposite of anything a trailer seems to imply.

 

Being deceptive is one thing and I get not wanting to give anything major away but yeah, all the Jedi teases in the trailer have been pretty heavy handed. On top of the other verbal teases in the trailer, her reaching out with the force, blondie girl saying she has no power, and then swinging a lightsaber next scene would be a tiring troll from Filoni, if that's all it is. But I guess whatever to get people to go back and forth. I'm just waiting to see one screenshot or ad of her wearing her actual helmet.