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Andor Saw Gerrera (spoilers)

Discussion in 'Star Wars TV- Current and Future Shows' started by Jedi Knight Fett, Apr 4, 2021.

  1. Bor Mullet

    Bor Mullet Force Ghost star 8

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    That’s probably the main reason!
     
  2. Sproj

    Sproj Jedi Master star 4

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    Interesting point...is Syril kind of sort of the reverse? Syril kind of seems like a good guy working for the enemy.
     
  3. Darth Chiznuk

    Darth Chiznuk Retired Superninja star 8 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Syril doesn’t seem like a good guy at all to me. He’s a creepy stalker fascist.
     
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  4. godisawesome

    godisawesome Skywalker Saga Undersheriff star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    Syril’s biggest contrast with Luthen and Saw is his complete lack of awareness - that he’s not just lacking self-awareness, but even seems to lack empathetic observational skills and perspective. He suffers from “Main Character of My Life” syndrome so bad he’s sort of let himself see the world in such a banal, basic, and bluntly submissive way towards authoritarianism that he can’t even see he’s actually worshipping the evildoers of his life. Dude’s not even operating on Black And White Morality; his idea of heroism is so ignorant of morality that it’d be an insult to amorality to call him that.

    He’s a born henchmen even compared to the Empire’s endless supply of henchmen.

    Saw and Luthen, in contrast, both understand moral complexities in people and themselves, but also the stark clarity of the Galaxy's situation and what needs to be done - and thus they both have somewhat paradoxically come to realize that they’re “much lesser and de facto tolerable or even necessary evil” against even greater EVIL! in the Empire. They can both objectively see heroism and innocence in others, note their lack of either quality at this point, calculate that means they are still morally reprehensible themselves… but that they should still fight the Empire and that The Cause is bigger than even their own darkness.

    Saw’s just simply more comfortable reveling in the twisted, messed-up side of his nature and identity, and can still gleefully romanticize it in a wild, maddened way. Luthen’s clearly sickened by himself sometimes. Luthen would love to see the world he and Saw are trying to create, and is heartbroken at how he will be unworthy of it and will probably never see it. Saw? Saw’s probably living his best life as a paranoid, murderously violent and corrupting madman, and probably takes comfort in the fact he probably won’t see the peace he’s fighting for.

    …But interestingly, both seems to take some quiet comfort that their main protégés in Jyn and Cassian are better people than them, even though both would probably see themselves as liable to corrupt them as well.
     
  5. Sproj

    Sproj Jedi Master star 4

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    Yeah can definitely see that and is why I said kind of. I just meant because he clearly has a strong code of justice, a sense of right and wrong but its faith and centre is placed in the wrong direction.

    Basically, Saw is a bad guy who just happens to work for the good side because it allows him to fight. I get the sense that Syril is a good guy who just happens to work for the bad side because it gives him a sense of belonging and in some ways at least, rewards his weirdness.

    I might not be explaining it well and I’m certainly not saying they are exact opposites by any means.
     
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  6. BigAl6ft6

    BigAl6ft6 Chosen One star 8

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    So when did Saw blow himself up, and it probably happened when he was huffing on bomb gas
     
  7. Swashbucklingjedi

    Swashbucklingjedi Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    He is creepy for sure and a stalker, but fascist, well, I would say he was orderly and likes idea of order that fascism seems to provide, but Dedra is fascist more than Syril, Syril is kind of guy who fascists use, he supports fascism but he is not really being actively fascist himself IMO, he is more of a useful idiot.

    Fascism works through ruthless people and through useful idiots not seeing through the system. Dedra was former, she was ruthless, Syril was her stalker, simp, lackey. So if we call him fascist it's good to make difference between active and passive fascists, he was more of a passive one, supporting the system but not being ruthless enough to rise in the system or use it himself. Both are surely forms of fascism but I don't think world is so black and white. In different system he could've been a good guy, given better values and system. He was naive but I think he is not really the bad guy at heart. More of a pathetic sort.

    Saw, I think he is not bad guy either at first but he becomes one through constant deceptions and failures in his desperate fight against the Empire. He is willing to do evil things since he believes in his cause is just and it is more than anything to him. His weird fixation of Rhydonium is callback to his earlier life and lost sister he used to have and was partially responsible of her demise himself. (He calls Rhydo his sister since Steela, his real sister is dead) So he had made himself bad guy for a good cause, not too different from Luthen or Andor himself. Syril is being good guy for a bad cause since he is so lost.
     
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  8. A Chorus of Disapproval

    A Chorus of Disapproval Head Admin & TV Screaming Service star 10 Staff Member Administrator

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    So, you would say that Syril was... "Just following orders"?
     
  9. SateleNovelist11

    SateleNovelist11 Force Ghost star 6

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    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/oj6GVU7utCw

    He did a great job. I believe Saw's tragedy was sufficiently explored. His cameos were like those of Krennic. Just enough for what we need. But I feel more sorry for him after watching this. In R1, he was at the end of that tragedy. But now I feel more for Jyn when Saw tells her, "I will run no longer!" Don't agree with the man's methods, but he was a revolutionary in two wars. Kudos for liberating Onderon with your sister, the Jedi, and other rebels. His valor against the Empire turned to extremism due to his own isolation. Despite being an anarchist, he became as mentally isolated as the totalitarians he fought. And his captains took advantage of that. Or at least that's my interpretation of what's going on by R1.