Sex Education in Our School System

Saint of Killers, are you serious?

If so are you asking why they would use condoms instead of the pill, the shot etc, or are you saying married couples should not try to prevent pregnancy?

Condoms vs the Pill. First there are some women who don't react well to the pill at all. Second there are a lot of people who simply believe that you should not mess with a healthy hormonal system unless it is necessary ( I am not saying I agree with them, just it happens) Some women, because of a history of cancer in their family don't take the pill, (even though now it appears to help FIGHT a lot of cancers) and any woman who smokes really should not use the pill. Finally, and this is pretty rare I'll admit, if a woman has been warned that carrying a baby could be fatal due to complications, weak Kidney etc., they will often employ two types of birth control to be doubly shure (Imagine wanting to give Birth more than anything in the world, knowing you can't, and having an abortion because if you don't both you and the baby might die, I can't think of much worse)


If you just think married people should use Birth Control - All I can say is most people, even the Rev. Falwell, disagree.


BTW I can't believe your name because For the first time in probably two years I reread my old Preachers last night. Hadn't thought of SOK in a long time.

 

I have a hunch SOK was referring to the possibility of STDs within marraige (which shouldn't be very much, I would think), and thus why use condoms (under that context).

 

Ahh, well, Ok, I buy that.

Sorry SOK if that was what you meant.

 

Yeah I meant that the possibility of std's in marriage should be pretty low. I have no problem whatsoever with birth control(pill, condom, anything). I hadn't thought about the allergic reactions some women have to the pill. I just thought it would suck to go through marriage with no real contact 'down there'.

 

sex ed is a laugh. it's like a hilarous shop class. No one cares whta they have to say

 

Saint, just saw your profile, sorry about calling SOK

 

I think that sex education should be allowed,because they may not get it from home from their parents. From what I remember of all the sex-ed classes I took,there were kids giggling,using slang words for body parts,etc.,but that's just natural for kids.

In the 8th grade,I learned about STDs in a health class that was part of Phys Ed. Even though I was grossed out by the symptoms,but I was glad to learn that stuff.

In high school I saw a film about the conquences of teenage pregnancy that made me not want to get a girl pregnant,even though I was (and still) shy about asking a girl out. I avoided being sexually active in high school that way,plus the fact I was into comic books and Star Trek took up most of my time.

But I don't think schools should be handing out condoms,becuase kids might use them as water ballons. Kids need to learn to be kids before doing adult things like making more kids.

 

Also there is the factor of cost. Birth Control pills aren't cheap, but condoms are, relatively speaking.

 

Saint_Of_Killers: And for women who do not want the hormonal side effects of the Pill--and those hormonal side effects make some women, myself included, act insane sometimes; not to mention that I am 30 and still childless, and therefore already at a higher risk of breast cancer--the condom is the next most effective option for those who don't want children.

Also, I'm not a man, but are you sure there's no feeling "down there" during a condom's use?

 

Doesn't that depend on how much sex you are having? I could be way off here, but I thought the pill was like 30 bucks a month. Condoms can be pretty expensive I think it was like 10 bucks for 12(its been a while, i cant remeber), so if you are having sex frequently you end up spending about the same.

 

You are way off, the pill can be close to 90 a month, depending what kind your body needs.

 

Aaah! Kessel -- yet another icon! Aaaah!

 

I'm feeling slightly schizophrenic lately.

 

Wow 90 bucks, ok, you are right, it would take a lot of sex to make condoms cost more.

 

"Also, I'm not a man, but are you sure there's no feeling "down there" during a condom's use?"

Well there's certainly sensation, otherwise no onne would use them. It doesn't seem to matter much to women, but for guys(at least for me) there's less sensation when a condom is used. No matter how thin a condom is, there's just no substitute for skin-to-skin contact. Which is why, incidentally I get myself and any partners tested as soon as possible, and if they're female, they go on the pill. I've never been with a girl who didn't want to go on the pill(a few were already on it actually).
OK I think I've already gone into too much detail, and Lord Ban might get testy

 

Yeah, I think if we keep up the direction this is going this thread is going to get locked.

 

I'll slap ya. Slap ya for real


I don't necessarily concur with Saint.

 

"Embarrassment can stop kids from having sex, if there is a concentrated effort to do so. "

But why would you want that effort?


KR, what pill is $90 a month? I'm on the shot and that's $66 every 3. (And worth every penny)

 

Well, I'll back Saint up on that one. I agree 100% that there is a difference and it's worse with a condom. All I'm gonna say.

 

Regarding embarrassing people out of sex:

One, I think that's pretty shameful, that you would want to embarrass someone out of doing a perfectly natural act. Kids shouldn't be having sex, but that embarrassment would carry over into adulthood. There is absolutely no need to make people ashamed of their bodies.

There are other ways to encourage kids not to have sex other than embarrassing them.

Two, not everyone is going to be embarrassed. For some people, nothing bothers them.

 

Amen, McNerf!

Interesting issue here. I went through several iterations of sex ed as a kid, ranging from totally embarrassing (animated film featuring Mr. Condom and Ms. Diaphragm) to "just the facts" (biology class). And I agree with Ariana - integrating it with biology seems to be the best way to get the information across without causing a lot of giggling and squirming.

However, I DO believe that sex ed is something that needs to be addressed in school, preferably before kids become sexually active. As a teacher and a youth volunteer, I am astounded at the ignorance of our supposedly "sophisticated" teens. "You can't get pregnant the first time you have sex." "Only homos and junkies get AIDS." It would be wonderful if parents took care of this at home, but the sad fact is that many (maybe even most) don't, for whatever reason.

It doesn't sound like too many people had good experiences with sex ed. I know for me, the one class that really hit home was actually a drug-prevention class. A police officer showed a film that graphically depicted the diseased bodies of women who had exchanged sex for drugs and contracted various venereal diseases. It also showed these women's babies, many of whom had severe, disfiguring birth defects. I almost sprinted to the nearest convent when I got out of that class.

 

the solution for embarrassment while buying condoms...one word: U-scan. Go to Krogers or someplace where they lat you scan stuff yourselves.

I actually see the whole embarrassment factor the other way around. I have to admit, it's kind of funny watching a cashier avert their eyes "discreetly" and turn three shades of red when they ring them up. But that's just me. I guess I don't embarrass easily (see my post two pages ago on the game we had to play in sex-ed).

In regards to using embarrassment as a deterrent, I do not agree with that method at all. Sex is a beautiful thing, when dealt with appropriately and I don't believe we need to equate that with embarrassment. I remember laying in bed on my honeymoon and asking my husband if he felt like we were "being bad." Everyone knows what you <ghasp!> do on your honeymoon, and I have to admit that the thought was embarrassing. I wasn't exactly eager to face everyone's cracks back home. This is a result of a lifetime of feeling like sex is something shameful that we should be embarrassed about. I think the way to deter teens from acting reclessly in regards to sexual activity is to educate them about what can occur if they are not responsible. We should equate sex as being a wonderful and beautiful experience -- in the right context.[/b]

 

My personal take on the matter is this... Kids get curious about sex at an early age and quite often in their home life a) the kids are too shy to ask their parents about sex and b) alot of parents get really embarrased when asked to explain sex to their children... my parents certainly were! They NEED to learn about it from somewhere and properly structured sex education is what's needed!

If we don't have sex education classes it leads to kids thinking things like the old 'you can't get pregnant the first time you have sex' or ' you can't get pregnant if you do it standing up' nonesense that I'm sure you all heard when growing up!

It's not just about the sex aspect though... living in todays world with the threat of HIV and AIDS etc. they NEED to be educated about the prevention of STD's too! Prevention is better than the cure don't you think?

Education is a good thing even if only 50% of the information is retained!

 

Being an educator myself, I believe it is an issue that should be addressed in High School during their health course, biology, and so forth. I think that it is rediculous, as was suggested in an earlier thread, that it should be introduced in the 4th and 5th grade.
It is the parents responsibility to raise and educate their children on these personal issues. Not teachers, not the state, not the television, and most definitely not politicians. If parents want their children to have that knowledge, they need to see that they acquire that knowledge through their supervision.
The high school's responsibility is to educate students regarding the health issues related to drug use and sexual activity, including sexually transmited diseases. The educational system's responsibility should be to supplement or augment what has already been taught at home.
The mess with this issue is that people, with their own personal agendas, see this as a platform to promote sexual orientation or prefernece. Not only to promote but to, in a round about way, impose their (teachers, community activists, politicians) own sexuality.
Sexual orientation needs to be left out of the educational system or as an elective class, for example, gay and lesbian rights issues, human sexuality, and so forth. These issues can be debated in speech or debate teams with adult supervision, not intervention.
More and more, interest groups are putting pressure on politicians who in return put pressure on the educational system. The educational system lacks the resources to meet their basic fundamental needs without adding issues that need to be faced in the home.
Let me remind you that the answer to preventing or attempting to prevent the errors of our children due to misinformation rests in this statement alone, good parenting. If parents are not informed properly, then they need to educate themselves. I mean, where the hell is the accountability here. Now a days, it seems that parents believe their job is done once they have their kids. That the responsibility to teach and raise them properly rests with actor & actresses, athletes, teachers, and the clergy. To all those Senate members who are parents. Don't believe what the politicians tell you about your childs education. You need to sieze the control of your households. Your children's failure is your failure as a parent. You have to live with those failures the rest of your lives. Not thes politicians who want you to blame everyone else, not take responsibility for your own, and vote for them because they allegedly care or will solve your problems.
The power is in your hands. Your childrens' lives are in your hands.

 

You say it should be the parents responsibility to educate their children about sex but alot of parents are embarassed to discuss it between each other let alone with their inquisitive young children. Certainly when I was growing up there was no talk about sex and if I tried to approach my parents they just couldn't bring themselves to talk about it. I think all my dad ever said on the subject was 'make sure you're careful... you know what I mean'.

Now if I had children it'd be different because I have no such fear of discussing the subject of sex and I would hope that they could come to me and ask me anything they wanted to know freely and without feeling embarassed but, unfortunately alot of parents just can't bring themselves to be open about such a 'taboo' subject!