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  1. Sinrebirth

    Sinrebirth Mod-Emperor of the EUC, Lit, RPF and SWC star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    Oh no, @K2771991, I’m saying the 100 I added to 2,525,000 includes all Dreadnoughts, battlecruisers, esoteric stuff and torpedo spheres.

    Basically all this…

    3 Worldcraft

    Rebirth, Death Star III, Spawn

    1 Eclipse-class prototype (with 2 more under construction)

    Tarkin, Eclipse I, Eclipse II

    4 Sovereign-class prototype’s under construction

    Sovereign, Autarch, Despot, Heresiarch

    26 Executor-class Super Star Destroyers including

    Executor I, II, Annihilator I, II, Enforcer, Vengeance, Terror I, II, Whelm, Aggressor, Reaper, Guardian, Brawl/Iron Fist, Razor’s Kiss, Intimidator, Avarice (X1s), Arbitrator, Eclipse, Ravager, EX-F, Oppressor

    3 Vengeance-class Super Star Destroyers including

    Vengeance, Javelin

    6 Mandator III-class Super Star Destroyers including

    Aurora, Panthac, Aculeus, Dominion

    2 Assertor-class Super Star Destroyers

    Assertor, Wrath

    2 Bellator-class Super Star Destroyers including

    Bellator

    10 Allegiance-class Super Star Destroyers

    Allegiance, Pride of Tarlandia, Ithmar’s Fist, Armardia, Event Horizon, Stellar Halo, Luminosity, Gauntlet I, II, III

    2 Maelstrom-class Super Star Destroyers

    Maelstrom, Simoom

    2 Praetor II-class Super Star Destroyers

    Helmsman, Thalassa

    2 Praetor I-class Super Star Destroyers

    Battalion, Quaestor

    6 Torpedo Spheres including

    Black Ice, Tallaani, Pitta, Chasin

    2 Secutor-class Star Destroyers

    Secutor, Conquest

    4 Onager-class Star Destroyers

    Onager, Rakehell, Sunder, Cataclysm

    4 Tector-class Star Destroyers

    Tector, Gibbon, Archer, Harbinger
     
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  2. Vialco

    Vialco Force Ghost star 5

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    Not hard to believe her was away from Byss when the Galaxy Gun misfired. Probably off collecting some new Force artifact-perhaps even pursuing the Muir Talisman in the hope that it could halt the decay of Sidious’s last clone vessel. After Sidious’s death and the end of the Rule of Two, Amedda would wander the stars in despair, eventually realizing that it’s limiting nature was what doomed the Banite Sith. Many years later, after discovering his own connection to the Force and amassing a vast collection of Sith artifacts, Amedda would encounter a tattooed human male with an alien arm and a cybernetic eye. He would sense the Force in this human, more power than he’d felt since he’d last stood in Darth Sidious’s presence. Pledging his service to this mysterious Force-Wielder Mas Amedda would cease to be and Darth Wyyrlok would be born.
     
  3. Sinrebirth

    Sinrebirth Mod-Emperor of the EUC, Lit, RPF and SWC star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    This is definitely what I see happened in Legends.

    In One Canon it’s even easier because Wyyrlok survives Endor but is only referenced post-Endor in Canon. Pestage is dead by the end of Dark Empire III, so it’s very smooth.
     
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  4. ColeFardreamer

    ColeFardreamer Force Ghost star 5

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    I doubt Ameddas Force sensitivity went undiscovered for that long to be a late bloomer... nah, he rather had none and was a loyal goon until the Empire Reborn started Forceimbuing regular folks and he thought, hey... why not, lets try it. Boom, Darth Wyyrlok as he managed to keep it up whereas others power boost faded away over time again. Probably managing to keep it up via artifacts and talismans!

    Either that or Wyyrlok is far older and Amedda is just his latest body so to speak. I mean if in Shadow of the Sith other artifacts can do that and the Empire Reborn experimented with Sith revival like the Cult of Ragnos... why not have Wyyrlok be the one who actually worked and happened. With every future Wyyrlok being groomed to become the next body of the official Wyyrlok who came before.
     
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  5. Sinrebirth

    Sinrebirth Mod-Emperor of the EUC, Lit, RPF and SWC star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    Unless Palpatine kept Amedda as a back-up Sith apprentice, or Plagueis did, or Tenebrous did.

    He's been around a while. after all!
     
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  6. ColeFardreamer

    ColeFardreamer Force Ghost star 5

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    Or Cronal...
    When Lord Shadowspawn's shadow spawns a new Shadow's pawn, Shadow's pawn shadowing the shadow of Lord Shadowspawn with his own spawned Pawnspawn might maybe eventually potentially lead to him positioning Amedda as a Dejarik piece in the game between Cronal and Palpatine. Who is he more loyal to? Having served Palpatine all along, yet maybe tasting his own power for the first time thx to Blackhole? And whose to say that Pestage wasn't likewise attempting empowerment when he posed as Cronal yet failed where Amedda succeeded?

    I see a whole new Dark Empire conspiracy brewing here.

    Cronal serving Palpatine but operating against him in secret as he always wanted.
    Amedda and Pestage, Palpatines loyal dogs becoming dejarik pieces in his game of thrones. Both tempted to switch sides to Cronal.
    Amedda does, Pestage pretends but spies for Palpatine and ends up dead. Cronal lives on, Amedda too.
    And in the midst of all that is the capture of Mara Jade and Kyle Katarn and Katarn Commandos freeing her which brings them face to face with Pestage and Cronal. Maybe even Amedda?

    And whoever is able to survive Kyle Katarn got to be a Sith Lord at the minimum!
     
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  7. Sinrebirth

    Sinrebirth Mod-Emperor of the EUC, Lit, RPF and SWC star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    The ‘numbered’ Separatist fleets were the only 4000 ship full deployments. I’m inclined to say that there were only seven such deployments.
     
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  8. ColeFardreamer

    ColeFardreamer Force Ghost star 5

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    I headcanon that the Towani family had many many many yearly family holiday trips across the galaxy in the years before their crash on Endor. One should make a series about several of them and their misadventures akin to the Griswold Family movie series with Chevy Chase.

    Towani Family at Hologram Funworld
    Towani Family crossover with Galaxy of Fear
    Towani Family at Baatu
    Towani Family Beach Holiday on Dac
    Towani Family use Star Tours
    Towani Family visit Naboo during the Galactic Art Exhibition
    Towani Family visit Cantonica by being mistaken for some rich folks
    Towani Family Life Day Adventure
    etc.
     
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  9. darklordoftech

    darklordoftech Force Ghost star 6

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    Mace Windu ended up being celebrated as someone who tried to save democracy and stop the Sith conspiracy.
     
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  10. Nehru_Amidala

    Nehru_Amidala Force Ghost star 7

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    Anakin Solo has Asperger's Syndrome or is neurodiverse.
     
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  11. ColeFardreamer

    ColeFardreamer Force Ghost star 5

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    Viewing the GFFA like Earth on a galactic scale, some of these paralells are interesting, while of course places real or fictional are more diverse than that:

    The Core is the Western World like North America.

    The Tion Cluster and surrounding quite some swatch of space around it in the Rim is the Old World aka Europe. (Yes I am Team Rim settled the Core! Aka Corellia was once in the Maw)

    The Ash Worlds may be parts of East Europe.

    Hutt Space is China and likewise spheres where the oh so noble GFFA can produce cheap, use slave workforces underpaid or unpaid and the like. A power to be not underestimated, technology-wise powerful and contempt with business deals over expansion for now but a danger should their beneficial status ever change.

    Mandalore is Japan, after being glassed by nukes, a former proud warrior culture changed into a modern high tech society still honoring their martial arts roots.

    Tatooine and surrounding areas including more civilised planets may be Australia. Some spots backwater outback, others high tech cities.

    That leaves the Modell Sector, Endor, Baatu and surrounding area for New Zealand with its old world nature still more alive than in Europe.

    The Corporate Sector with Cantonica/Dubai would be the Arabian sphere.

    Between tribal Dathomir and Dantooine could be a lot of African space.

    Could the Chiss Ascendancy be a Russian analogue?

    Where is India?

    Note, no offenses intended, neither starting a political debate.
     
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  12. RogueWhistler

    RogueWhistler Jedi Knight star 3

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    The Home One-type cruiser is longer than the Liberty-type, and the two are roughly equal in volume accounting for the latter's wings. This similarity in size (and armament) is why both are classified as MC80s, while the "wingless Liberty" MC80a is reduced enough to be its own subclass.
     
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  13. SheaHublin

    SheaHublin Jedi Grand Master star 3

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    I've mentioned it before but from the very moment that The New Essential Guide to Droids confirmed that the Exile was female I knew she was Vima Sunrider. Vima is the right age to have been a leading General during the Mandalorian Wars and several bits of dialog confirm that the female Exile/player character (one very specific one from Mira in particular) note that she looks younger than she really is. The Kotor Campaign Guide later confirmed that The Exile saved the Jedi from extinction, while simultaneously nothing is known of just how Vima Sunrider came to be regarded as one of the greatest Jedi of all time, per multiple vague mentions from '90s sources. "Meetra Surik" was just either Vima's married name or was an identity used by her during the Mandalorian Wars.
     
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  14. SheaHublin

    SheaHublin Jedi Grand Master star 3

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    Head-canon is that the Kotor Campaign Guide got a few things wrong: no, Kreia was NOT the name of a Jedi Master, Kreia was really the combination of her two previous identities of Arren Kae and Traya:

    https://lparchive.org/Knights-of-the-Old-Republic-II/Update 58/

    ...I'm not sure how the writers, who are normally excellent and on top of all the details and lore elements, could have been unaware of that sub-story in the game.

    And no, Darth Sion was NOT a veteran of the Great Sith War who had somehow remained inactive for decades until the time of the Dark Wars. Sion really was Lucien Draay, and Zayne Carrick later did lose everything in the Wars and ended up becoming Darth Nihilus.

    Sion's pain and agony wasn't all just physical, btw. A lot of it was knowing all that he lost from his past life and how his actions in trying to kill Zayne on Taris caused not only the destruction of the Draay family and estate but also the Jedi and nearly the entire Republic and the Force itself by the time of the Dark Wars. All the while he ended up subservient to Nihilus, owned by his own former apprentice:


     
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  15. K2771991

    K2771991 Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Ah, I understand what you were saying now.

    I understand the low count for dreadnoughts, Onagers and Torpedo Spheres, but I'm curious, why do you think the numbers of battlecruisers, Tectors and Secutors would be so low? And why are the Tectors and Secutors not counted as part of the 25,000 SDs?

    I always thought of Jerec as the backup apprentice, in all seriousness; Cronal and Kadann seemed to be two other big, near-Sith powerhouses, but unlike Jerec they seemed too ideologically set in their own ways to be trained as Sith apperentices - Jerec was an older man, but he was one who was clearly all onboard with the whole Sith thing.

    IIRC Vima was Meetra's master.

    Other then that, I don't think this works for a few reasons;
    • Vima would be about fifty years old when Meetra died, while Meetra is, I believe, only around ten years older then Bastila (whose described as "young" in KOTOR 1)
    • Vima may-or-may-not have still been alive in 3900 BBY (if one presumes she's the "famous master" who blessed Queen Elsinore's ships), at which point Meetra had been dead for five decades.
    • Vima seems to have been strong in the Force. Meetra was described as "average" and "mediocre" before the events on Malachor.
    Lucian?

    Nah. He's totally Haazen
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  16. SheaHublin

    SheaHublin Jedi Grand Master star 3

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    Yeah, the resemblance is too exact to really be anyone else, but it's almost too much so, and Haazen did (supposedly) die in the bombardment...

    ...but we never saw the body...

    ...until much later when he re-surfaced as "Darth Sion", but how did he go from that and being "Darth Hayze" to using a name he thought suitable for Lucien? It does match with the KCG mention of Sion having served on Exar Kun's side in the Great Sith War. Where was he in all the years in between? I do like the idea that Haazen really did set Lucien down the path of becoming Darth Sion, and that Sion was fully aware of just how much he had become what he hated, in every way.

    On Vima, where was the source of a "famous master" blessing the colony ship? I'd love to pull it off my shelf and check it. I think that I'm only one of several fans that speculate that the red-headed Sunriders/DaBodas/whatever Vima's married name was may have had living descendants on Naboo many Centuries later...
     
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  17. Sinrebirth

    Sinrebirth Mod-Emperor of the EUC, Lit, RPF and SWC star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    @K2771991

    I understand the low count for dreadnoughts, Onagers and Torpedo Spheres, but I'm curious, why do you think the numbers of battlecruisers, Tectors and Secutors would be so low? And why are the Tectors and Secutors not counted as part of the 25,000 SDs?


    Mainly because we see so few of them.

    Tector's as ship-killers project higher than a basic ISD, and the Secutor is 2.2km long, mainly. Anything larger or more powerful than an ISD falls into the SSD line for myself.

    Battlecruisers weren't as popular as dreadnoughts under the Empire, so I don't see them having more of them than they did dreadnoughts basically, especially pre-Executor. The Navy was actually very firmly against battlecruisers and then the Executor for a time, much preferring Imperial Star Destroyers, to the extent they were against hyperdrive-equipped starfighters. So many new designs were produced as a basic response to the Rebellion, and the Executor only acquired moderate favour because of the Death Star being considered much worse than the Executor-line.

    The Empire spat out twenty Executor's in a single year, and that was on the basis they didn't embrace battlecruisers.

    I have no canonical appearance of anymore than three battlecruisers in one place, and that was defending Kuat.

    So I am comfortable with the low numbers, and it seems essentially the modus operandi of Naval construction, especially under Palpatine, to build two of everything and then deciding whether to continue on, though there are enough instances of four ships in an initial prototype line too.

    I'm expecting Jason to confirm that the two battlecruisers at Endor were Qaz-class, mind you.
     
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  18. In the New Canon and unlike the Legends version Palpatine was a Good Guy like Vader before he becomes Sith and the Underworld backstory is his New Canon origin this is my headcanon until a new novel or potentially the Acolyte contradict it
     
  19. Sinrebirth

    Sinrebirth Mod-Emperor of the EUC, Lit, RPF and SWC star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    Underworld backstory?
     
  20. The story of Palpatine with the Girl Gangster
     
  21. K2771991

    K2771991 Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Given that we're talking about Sion, I don't find it hard to believe he could have survived what happened in the comic.

    (Indeed, the missing cybernetic eye, the lost hair, the burned face and the evidently missing Yoke of Seeming could easily be from when the Draay Estate was destroyed)

    Maybe he decided Sion was a better name for himself (or Kriea decided it for him)

    Well, Haazan betrayed the Jedi to Kun's forces so...
    [​IMG]
    ...it checks out:p (obviously it does'nt fit perfectly, but it fits better then if one assumes Lucian is Sion)

    Licking his wounds? If we assume Sion served Revan during the JCW, then that's only a couple of years he needs to be in hiding (during which time he could have met Kriea/Arren Kae and ended up on Malachor)

    Galactic Battlegrounds

    ...With the blessing of a famous Jedi Master, the colony ship Beneficent Tasia and its support starships, Constant and Mother Vima, left Grizmallt in search of fortune and glory. The expedition targeted the galaxy's dangerous southern quadrant, then home to a handful of settlements.

    To be truthful, there's no reason to think the master is Vima; I brought it up becuase I've seen people theorize about it before (a century is'nt an unbelivable age for a Force-user, and one of the ships was apparently named after her) - but my personal headcanon is that she died during the First Jedi Purge between K1 and K2*

    *I use a mod for KOTOR 2 called "full Jedi Council" the fills the empty seats during the Exile's trail scene and one of the masters added is Vima (the added council members are explicitly referenced as being dead in the modded dilogue if you chose to ask T3 what happened to them)

    Fair enough.

    I'm not sure I would apply the same logic myself, with all due respect - "Star Destroyer" seems to be a pretty generalized term; I don't have an issue putting Tectors and Secutors in the 25,000 count if Gladiators and Venators are in there...being a "pure battleship" or a "carrier" is'nt unique enough in my eyes to set them aside with the "esoterics."

    I actually take a somewhat opposite approach; the Imperial Navy was a "big gun" fleet and they invested heavily in battlecruisers, amassing perhaps somewhere between 100 and 300 (far less then SDs, but much more then SSDs) of both newer designs and ships inherited from the Republic Fleet - we only see so few becuase the Empire was so big and they were spread across it.

    The had less large carriers becuase Imperial doctrine neglected carrier operations and perferred cheap escort carriers luanching swarms of TIEs to complex heavy warships, but I still think they had quite a few surplus Venators and Secutors on hand by the time of Endor.

    I perfer at least one being an Allegiance, due to
    • A) that odd bridge tower briefly glipsed in ROTJ that is sometimes speculated to be the Pride of Tarlandia.
    • B) it would be easy to miss an Allegiance amid all the ISDs during the far-away shots of the fleet/battle.
     
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  22. Havoc123

    Havoc123 Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    I think its all a red herring. What sense would it all make that Haazen would suddenly shift his Darth title? its a thing that defines your Dark Side path for life. Its why as soon as Jacen was announced Caedus, it made zero sense for him to be somehow Darth Krayt as well. As for Sion appearing and disappearing, it fits the MO that Revan and Malak actually recruited leftover remains of the original Sith Empire.

    Although there's always the option that Darth Sion was under deep cover as Haazen.
     
  23. K2771991

    K2771991 Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    I mean, it's not like he ever really got a chance to settle on it; he toyed with being Hayze just as he toyed with making Lucian Sion, and then a building fell on him.

    He could have easily just decided afterwards that Sion was the name he found more fitting or whatnot. I don't see it as a roadblock.
     
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  24. darklordoftech

    darklordoftech Force Ghost star 6

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    Sion and Nihilus were training each other in the Trayus Academy when the Mass Shadow Generator went off and turned them into the undead beings we know them as.
     
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  25. Sinrebirth

    Sinrebirth Mod-Emperor of the EUC, Lit, RPF and SWC star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    @K2771991 I’d much prefer two Allegiance-class Star Destroyers at Endor too, because anything too visually distinctive makes one wonder where they were on-screen.

    The Allegiance as a 2.2km battlecruiser with specific communication roles (as seen in Dark Empire) allows us to also understand that the comms ship at Endor could destroy an MC80 Cruiser but struggle with it sufficiently for a well placed starfighter raid to do the rest.
     
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