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My headcanon is that most fascist thinking in the GFFA is built upon an idealized image of a glorious Tionese empire. The Imperials really wanted to think of themselves as some sort of successor to the likes of Xim and the empires that followed.

 

I had a similar view that there's a bunch of "Sith apologists" in history with the Jedi Civil War and the Empires of old being lionized by the Republic despite them including many traitors and being general failures.

 

I would work the particulars a bit different, but I really start from the conclusion and work backwards. The "Chiss Ascendancy" we see in late-NJO and beyond seems to resemble more the Empire of the Hand than it does the implications we get about what Chiss society is like prior to that (scant as those implications are).
I envision a Yuuzhan Vong task force assigned to keep the EotH engaged away from the main invasion corridor. The Yuuzhan Vong recognize the weakness of the EotH as being that it exists primarily to defend the Ascendancy. The Yuuzhan Vong focus their efforts within the Ascendancy to force the Empire to engage them on their terms, on battlefields of the Yuuzhan Vong choosing. The Ascendancy is ravished and desperate and has to join the Empire to survive. The Empire is gracious in preserving Chiss dignity and honor - thus the concessions made to their society and customs. The average Chiss citizen views the Empire as saviors and Thrawn becomes a folk hero. Something like that.

 

The Pius Dea make more sense, IMO. They were pretty much a proto-Galactic Empire with a religious bent, and they ruled the Republic. Why look for Rim glories when there's Coruscant's expansionism to glorify?

Its very much possible that the Cathedral ships inspired the Star Destroyer, even its early incarnations like the Interdictor and Centurion were Republic vessels, just appropriated by the Sith. Even though the SWTOR Sith look like copy paste OT Empire, there's very little in terms of ideology that is similar between the Sith Empire circa SWTOR and the Galactic Empire circa the OT.

I actually think of Revan and Malak's Sith Empire as a proto-CIS. There's a lot similar between Dooku and Revan, in that they both wanted to use the Dark Side to reform the Galaxy. You can even draw a parallel between Dooku working for Sidious and Revan (initially) working for Vitiate. Obviously unlike the CIS its not a megacorp dominated entity (unless we count Czerka, yes, lets count Czerka) but the gist of it is similar. Dissatisfied military officers (and Jedi) who saw themselves as abandoned by the Senate and Jedi Council, respectively, during the charge against the Mandalorians.

 

I think a theocracy is a poor basis for a fascist longing age, especially given the suspicion of religion by the Empire.

 

I was thinking about how Legacy could be worked into canon, with Kol and Cade actually being descended from Rey... which led me to the Fels being Rey' s descendents as well, after someone found out about the Palpatine heritage.

This circled me back to an idea I had for Rey's father a while ago: he wasn't a straight up clone of Sheev, but a clone made from spliced Sidious and Anakon DNA. To make it worse, perhaps Anakin's DNA sample had been corrupted and required genetic material from Luke's recovered hand.... making him basically canon Luuke.

This also led to the notion that the reason Rey was drawn to Anakin's lightsaber is both her Chosen One heritage and that Luuke Skypatine nabbed the saber from Sheev's collection on Exegol and that's how it got back into circulation to end up with Maz.

Then I started thinking, maybe Krayt would also then be a botched Sheev clone experiment.



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Oh please, stop it. We ALL know the truth no matter how much we want to deny it.

Rey's father is Triclops.

 

I have a weird headcanon.

Palpatine watched from afar various Imperial Remants take form.

Gideon's Remnant
Sloane's Remnant
Thrawn's Remnant (In my headcanon it exist)

he waited to see which one would come out on top THEN when the last Remnant was standing he would send Snoke to take control of the Remnant and turn it into the First Order that was left and thus prepare them for the initial invasion of the known Galaxy and then Final Order time.

 

I wonder if there were “Clone Wars Truthers” who thought that Dooku was working for Mas Amedda.

 

I admit, I assumed their version was, "The Jedi Order was behind it all!"

 

No - that's the public line - Palpatine's propaganda promoted exactly that.

If I remember rightly, in A New Dawn, Skelly promotes Clone-Wars related conspiracy theories that focus more on the corporations - seeing it as one big profit-making scheme.

 

I’m talking about conspiracy theories that people in the Rebel Alliance might believe. Imperial Admirals might think the Jedi were behind it all.

 

Jabba the Hutt and Han Solo were actually quite close circa ANH with the two having something approximating a friendship. This was due to Han being a big earner and the Millennium Falcom able to do roughly twice as many runs in half the time as most other smuggling vessels. Greedo actually was jumping the gun about the price on Solo's head and Jabba was just planning on scaring Han into doing some extra runs at a discount or pro-bono.

Though Han never would have dared to step on Jabba's tail and get away with it.

Han ditching Jabba for two and a half years not only cost Jabba the initial cost of the spice run but far more in terms of lost revenue from losing his best pilot. Hundreds of thousands of credits in delays and other failed smuggling ventures. Worse, it was humiliating as spacers throughout the galaxy told of Han skipping out on paying Jabba after frying his henchman. The Empire, normally quite amendable to bribery, also investigated him at length due to the fact Han Solo was now a notorious high-profile rebel terrorist.

(Darth Vader actually is the reason the investigations stopped for the use of Boba Fett and Jabba's contacts--though he made Jabba beg in exchange for it, nicely paying him back for the events of the Clone Wars movie. They never did find Jabba's son taken as a hostage either.)

Han also somewhat underestimated just how much Jabba's business had grown in the time between A New Hope and the Empire Strikes Back. Jabba had inherited the interests of his father Zorba, killed his rival Gardulla, and also undergone a growth spurt to become top Hutt in the galaxy.

Han Solo was thus deluding himself in believing that repaying Jabba was an option after the events of A NEW HOPE. The sheer amount of money lost from Han skipping out (our Corellian friend thinking himself an independent contractor versus employee "owned" by the Hutt cartel) combined with the heat he brought down as well as just the TINIEST BIT of personal betrayal Jabba felt meant that if Han had showed up he was going to be killed no matter what.

 

Really hoping they don't tie Gideon's fiefdom to the FO...Personally I really want there to be some true Legends type warlords trying to build their own little empires.

As far as a headcanon...The return of the Tion Hegemony. A group of nobles, business leaders and local .gov officials had a secret continuity of government plan if the Empire should fall that would return rule of the Tion Cluster to local authorities. They were able to use captured imperial ships until their own navy was built using Vindicator heavy cruisers, TIE Avengers and Scimitar bombers.

 

I don't want the New Republic to be incompetent. I want them in canon to have hunted down and destroyed every single Remnant the moment they popped up.

 

Oh...I'm not saying Gideon's little fiefdom should have some great longevity...it should definitely get defeated by the NR...but just keep it out of the influence of FO.

 

well clearly they didn’t since Carl Weathers said the Empire is nothing but gangs and warlords now. So clearly their are warlords five years on. Agen Terrex seemed to lasted a long time before joining up to the first order

 

Terrax wasn't a warlord. He was a crime lord.

 

He was still a lord ;p

and a ex-imperial

 

Wether or not Gideon's group is related to the First Order, it seems implied to be a small group. They're literally underground, hiding in a deserted looking part of town. Karga refers to them in the same breath as mercenaries and pirates. Now I know some pirates can be pretty powerful, but that does not to me imply Gideon is on the same level as a Zinsj or Kaine.

Admittedly the New Canon has changed things in the past. Some of the earliest materials like the TFA visual dictionary and Lost Stars implied there was a treaty and a sort of Cold War between the New Republic and an Imperial remnant of some kind. Other sources like Propaganda then said any remnants were stopped in the "months" following Jakku and Bloodline showed that any trace of the Empire was considered long gone by 30 ABY. So maybe when Season 2 roles around it will retcon things again.

But Bloodline and so many other works set in the TFA era have the message "this is an era of peace, the Empire is long gone". Before the First Order even reveals itself to the public, when it starts getting people to secede from the New Republic, Leia's inner monologue is about how unthinkable people wanting that kind of government is. People think Leia is paranoid. So all of that really would kind of fall flat if there was an Imperial Remnant acting like a government, taking up a huge chunk of the galaxy map a few years before hand. Right now we have "5 years after Endor, there's some small groups of underground Imperial Remnants". If that remnant becomes bigger, longer lived, more public, and more like a government? Then it just doesn't fit the tone of "peaceful era where the Empire is considered history".

I know a lot of people really liked the "mini Empires" of Legends, but any attempt to fit them into the new timeline strikes me as wishful thinking. Even when Legends tried to fit things like the Star Hyperspace War into the peaceful pre TPM era, they had to do a lot of word twisting, rules lawyers retcons. "Oh there hasn't been a *full scale* war up until now, that previous thing was just a small war".

 

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I will say the Visual Dictionary of TROS doing a good job of combing the things we know from Bloodline to the more modern day stuff we know about the Rise of the First Order to make it a bit more cohesive.

Will be interesting to see how far they bend the "Era of Peace" for the post ROTJ pre TFA thing...So far it seemed to be handling i well but a lot of it has been on the margins of TFA or ROTJ and never square in the center.

Heck to go back to the Stark Hyperspace War example I'll be interested to see how High Republic handles the "No full scale war since the formation of the republic" line.

I WILL counter with maaaaaaybe the idea of a Mini-Empire in the Unknown Regions ruled by Thrawn is still possible....But that's my only theory at the moment.

 

Speaking of characters from The Mandalorian, I have a headcanon that Toro Calican is Corellian.

 

To be fair, the Rebels were based out of abandoned temples and ice caves. Being in hiding doesn't mean a faction has to be limited to what we see on screen.

 

Before the release of AOTC, it wasn’t established that there had been peace for 1000 years, so authors in 1999-2001 saw no problem with the pre-TPM galaxy being at war.

 

Until the Mandalorian proves otherwise my headcanon regarding it is:

* The Client and his ragtag band of Imperials is what "most" Imperials are in this era. They are people in hiding for war crimes they committed that the New Republic is either investigating for massive atrocities like Operation: Cinder or individual planets are investigating for ones committed against their people. Even when they aren't actively on the run, they are generally shunned or unwilling to give up their past power. There's no real "Imperial Remnant" to flee to because the Empire is viewed with the same public disgust and loathing as the Nazis were post-WW2.

* Moff Gideon is essentially confusing to the Mandalorian and his friends because his stormtroopers have shining armor, he has advanced weapons, and can field enough soldiers to take over a town without difficulty. It's essentially akin to seeing a bunch of Nazis roll up and take over a Egyptian town in the 1950s. Where did they come from? Where did they get their supplies?

* This is because, behind the scenes, Moff Gideon is a recruiter for the First Order and has access to their (comparatively) limitless supply of war material and supply lines. The Client and his stormtroopers were given a "test" to see if they could bring in Baby Yoda. If they succeeded, they would have been allowed to come to the Unknown Regions and become part of the First Order. They failed miserably and Gideon killed them.

* It should be noted Moff Gideon is able to do all this because he's publicly dead. Like so many other high-ranking Imperials who have fled to the UR planet of Argen-Tina.