Discussion Sharmeen Obaid-Chinoy Star Wars Movie - NOT FILMING April 7th, 2024 (Blame Fredrik!)

From a creative standpoint, you'd call it "Episode X" because it's the next galaxy-changing conflict in the Star Wars universe. The Force/Jedi/GFFA existed before the Skywalkers and will exist after them.

And that too. Hollywood is ultimately a business and they're not gonna ditch the instant marketing boost of "Episode __."

 

But the episodes were not just galaxy-changing conflicts, the connectivity was very important. So to do episode 10 you would need a purpose and a build up to a worthy ending. Episodes are meant to be watching one after the other for reason. Thats what episodes are.

I think they would ditch it because calling it "episode" ultimately means short term success, As at some point it ain't gonna work anymore and then you created this expectation that could overshadow your other Star Wars movies. And at the moment i don't think they are that desperate. They have at least 3-4 movies in development from different time periods. Everything has to stand on its own.

 

Episodes I through IX would still be relevant to an "all-new" Episode X -- it would still exist in the post-TROS republic and the new Jedi would have been trained by Rey's pupils, etc.

Disney, like all corporations, is all about short-term success. Just look at the glut of live-action remakes. The better long-term bet is to make new classic movies that generate new revenue streams. But they went with the quicker, easier, more seductive path of remaking existing animated films.

 

A release date of May, 2026 (if that is the plan) would not require a filming start date until late 2024).
A release date of December 2026 is more likely. That would require about a year of post-production and about 6-7 months of filming. So technically, they COULD even start filming in 2025 if they had to and still get it out by Christmas, 2026.

I feel like the Dawn of the Jedi is getting the shaft. That is the one I am most excited about as if feels the most fresh.

 

Trek movies dropped the episode numbers after TNG took over from TOS, so there's precedent for doing so in big scifi franchises.

 

Huh? Then why didn’t they use that marketing boost for the ST?

 

I doubt it has anything to do with the quality and moreso Lindelof's refusal to bring back Ridley. He wanted old Rey mentor, further into the future. I promise you Lindelof isnt coming back he wants no part of the ST canon.

 

‘ST canon’? He was literally writing a film involving old Rey.

 

i'd like to view this movie as a epilogue rather than a Episode X, in the same sense that media like Picard is a epilogue to ST TNG, or maybe not? because if not then the whole "the end of the saga" marketing move in 2019 is going to be thrown out of the window when this comes out lol

 

They should just call it "Episode $$$$$".

 

Di$ney

 

So I just read about the Steven Knight thing. Hmm.....not sounding good. Don't really know what to think.

 

Its Disney. If its a epilogue - then you can sure bet its also a prologue. But every studio does this, they all have business models of various scale like this. And if you move forward, ca 10 years, there will always be a new audience that has not experienced any of the old trilogies in the cinema anyway.

 

I liked the idea of jumping far ahead to when Rey is an older Jedi (and possibly played by Helen Mirren). Will always wonder about how that would’ve turned out.

 

What is the deal with Steven Knight? What is going on that doesn't sound good?

 

The search for more money.

 

That's why I'm forced to say generally. Obviously not all women are great writers just because they are women. But if you give me the choice of two good or great writers, one a man and one a woman, I'll choose the woman to write a female protagonist. Implicit bias and lack of understanding are significant forces, and they especially limit men IMO, when it comes to empathy.

 

I have no context to what was being debated, but this just seems extremely uncalled for over a Star Wars topic.

I can't see them embracing Rise of Skywalker as part of a marketing tour. I can see it with The Force Awakens since at the time is was well-received, but Episode IX did not by and large make the fanbase happy (if you are reading this and liked it, great, not attacking you, I'm just going by general consensus).

 

So with the Mandalorian taking this movie's slot, are we getting another Patty Jenkins situation where people sarcastically gravedance on the Youtube teaser trailer comments section?

 

I can't see them embracing Rise of Skywalker as part of a marketing tour. I can see it with The Force Awakens since at the time is was well-received, but Episode IX did not by and large make the fanbase happy (if you are reading this and liked it, great, not attacking you, I'm just going by general consensus).[/QUOTE]
I don't know if it embraces The Rise of Skywalker from a marketing perspective (although they haven't been opposed to that in some of the promo videos they've done in the past few years, notably in the Masters & Apprentices teaser they did for Ahsoka) so much as very explicitly connecting this film to the entire Skywalker Saga in terms of intention and scope. There's no getting around the fact that this movie follows on from TRoS in a narrative sense, it's just a matter of whether you market it as a simple standalone film that does so, or if you give it the gravitas of a proper Episode designation. No matter what the broader consensus on TRoS specifically is, I'd argue the latter is going to be more advantageous from a marketing perspective by default.

 

I've always been a big advocate of the numbered system for demarcation... however, I don't see why they need to be confined to 1-9. These should be like a book e.g. Dawn of the Jedi: Episode I or The New Jedi Order: Episode II. It gives them the freedom whilst maintaining the feel.

 

The Episodes should be reserved for the Skywalker family but now they are all dead so it doesnt make sense to create an Episode 10 Rey is not a real Skywalker i dont want to see a trilogy about Palpatine descendants but well Kathleen Kennedy controls Star Wars she can make Jar Jar Binks descendants to be Skywalker too and most Star Wars fans would applaud everything that Kennedy does

 

People applaud stuff they like. Just because they have a different opinion than you do, doesn't mean you get to insult them. That's just immature and childish. As are your attempts to smear Kennedy by making absurd claims about her. Guess what, you can criticise someone without bashing them or lying about them.

And yes, it does make sense to make an Episode X even if there are no Skywalkers left, because your opinion to connect "Episodes" to the Skywalkers is just that, your opinion, not a logical argument. Nothing wrong with thinking that only movies about the Skywalkers should be counted as episodes, but there is nothing about an Episode X being about someone else that doesn't "make sense", as there is no clear cut link between the two. Having Marvel superheros appear in Star Wars is something that wouldn't "make sense". because they are not part of the same universe. The titles given to a movie however, are completely different. In fact, the OT already included "Episode ..." before anyone ever thought about thinking of Star Wars as the Skywalker saga.

 

Im not against a Rey movie just dont call it Episode 10 please i hope its only one single movie