Shatterpoint: Kar Vastor

Good Book.....BUT...What was Stover thinking? You can't just create a new breed of natural force using, jungle dwelling, witch doctor warriors to compete with Jedi, let alone one of the greatest. Matthew Stover basically wrote, that Kar Vastor is more powerful than Mace Windu. Thoughts?

 

Kar Vastor is only powerful on his home turf. Mace Windu is powerful no matter where he goes.

If Vastor had been weak, Mace wouldn't have had a challenge. If Mace wouldn't have had a challenge, the story wouldn't be as interesting. Lopsided conflicts aren't that suspenseful.

 

Yeah, it was because Vastor is adapted to that environment, while Mace is more used to, say, Coruscant.

 

I just think it made Mace seem too weak.

 

There are many Force using traditios around the galaxy. You think the only ones to use the Force are the Jedi?

 

He's only more powerful then Mace in a physical brawl because he's younger.

You saw what happened to Kar when mace was seriously fighting him with weapons and all.

 

God forbid Stover get creative and add something new to the universe.

Gasp! Can't take originality...

-Seldon

 

Besides, it's not the first time it's been done before. The witches of Dothamir were neither Jedi nor Sith and they were extremely powerful

 

When Windu plays by Vastor (jungle) rules, he loses. But in the final pages, when he plays by Jedi rules, it's over in seconds, and after being wounded the way he was.

Interestingly, The Sith Lords has Kreia talking a lot on Jedi, deprived of the force, as no more deadlier than the average morron, her insinuation to Rand. Which is true.

Jedi without a saber are meals to be consumed.

Sith without the dark side are hapless.

 

doesnt quinlan's people use the force too?

 

No, they psychically read objects, each with a varying degree. Vos just happens to be deeper.

 

You thought Mace wasn't powerful enough? Didn't he destroy 5 fighter craft while armed only with a saber?

 

I was talking about in a general sense, an overview of Jedi ability. They seem to be helpless creatures absent their sabers.

As a contrast, Sith blocked from the (dark) force are equally debillitated. That's all they know.

And it is true, what Kreia told me last week. Jedi are in trouble without the force. They haven't been trained to live without it.

Well, at that time. This one, too, if Rep comics are any indication.

 

Clone Wars Season 3 is not canon!! Or at least it shouldn't be. I wonder what what happens to Kar Vastor in Ep. III, since he's imprisoned in the temple?

OH WAIT, spoiler policy. Oh the pain, the pain of it all!

 

Little SPOILER here. but not bad.....I think the problem I had with Shatterpoint was that, while Mace had his "weak" fight with Kar, he would make remarks after each hit that sounded something like the nature of, "Is that all you got?" and other sort of humorous comebacks, which I don't quite recall at the moment. Unfortunately, I don't remeber Mace ever trying to be a funny guy, but we've all seen Sam Jackson portraying such a character. Yeah, I think Mace felt too much like Samuel L. Jackson in this book and not enough like Mace, at times. However, I still enjoyed the story, and I'm not saying Mace was like this the whole time so don't bark down my throat Stover lovers.

 

Clone Wars Season 3 is not canon!!

He was talking about the fighters Mace destroyed in Shatterpoint, not the cartoon. They were gunships, technically, I think, but same point. He kicked their butts.

 

I'm not trying to bash Stover's creativity nor his originality. As I said before, I thought it was a good book. It just caught me off guard about how powerful Kar was against one of the greatest Jedi Master's in the universe. I just thought Windu was toying with him until he admited himself how strong Kar was.

But I gotta give it up to Stover for they way he represented Vaapad. The way you have to enjoy fighting your opponent, and how close to the dark side it takes you. That was the shizz.

 

Guys if you want my opinion Kar Vastor can still be used as a character in the post ROTS era as one of Vadars accolytes. Imagine Vastor leading stormtroopers as one of vaders enforcers!!!!!!

 

That would be cool, but after giving Windu a run for his money, Vader might be a little wary of employing someone so powerful. I think he would be a threat to the empire.

But that would make a great story. After Vader invades the Jedi temple, he finds Kar in a holding cell. Being well know of Vastor's power, Vader uses him as a gaurd dog for the empire. Then after a few years of service, Kar questioning his existence, missing his ghosh, heeding the call of the jungle, all that good stuff, he decides to turn on Vader, and after a climactic duel, it ends with Vader standing over Kar's dead body. I don't know, something like that.

 

i don't see Kar Vastor as much of a team player to be one of Vader's minions. He'd want to go off and do his own thing, and eventually that would conflict with the Empire's goals.

 

Is there any likeness, or drawing of Kar Vastor on the web, that anyone knows of? I have about 30 different images in my head of this guy.

 

I always just saw him as young Mace with long hair.

And is it any wonder that Kar was besting Mace in a fight? Hes younger, fitter, used to the jungle and has no inhibitions.

But of course at the end, Mace just gets bored and whoops him.

 

But Vastor is described as bald in the novel. He's also much taller and more muscular than Mace.

 

Any of you ever watch "Oz" on HBO? I pictured Kar Vastor as looking like Adebesi (sp?) from that show...

 

It would've been fine, I think, if Mace hadn't acted like a ***** the rest of the time. Having nightmares, being afraid to act-- what the hell, he was like a Prequel Jacen Solo, only he didn't end up kicking ass in the end. He just exploited a little weakness, and it didn't even kill Vastor.

And then in the end they killed Nick, the best character in the whole book. Go figure.

Jedi without a saber are meals to be consumed.

*cough* Jacen Solo in the Nursery *cough*