Amph She Didn’t Kill Sparky Too: Marvel's Agatha All Along [Disney+]

Unless there’s some twist he’s definitely…

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Wiccan

 

Really starting to think:

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Sharon is Rio.

We know Mr. Davis died. We know Sharon "hit" teen with her car. But we never see where Rio was at that point. Agnes chases Teen down after loudly falling off her house- Rio is nowhere but out of nowhere comes Sharon?

Her WandaVision name was Mrs.Hart. Dinnner with the Harts was marked by a black heart on the calendar. If you play with the idea of destiny/fate, then Agatha had to have a green witch and it happened to be Sharon? More likely Sharon was outside gardening on purpose to attract Agatha's attention. So Sharon is Rio?

The only real question is for how long? How did Mr. Davis die? Did he actually die or did the Davis family leave and Rio became Sharon?

 

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Sharon!
Although, who knows if she's really dead for long. She might be fine if they complete the road.

A lot of "teen could be Nicholas Scratch" clues which makes me think it's definitely Billy.

Interesting that Agatha does seem to regret losing her son in exchange for the Darkhold. The other visions were very interesting as well.

AND They FINALLY said his name:

MEPHISTO!

Now, will we actually see him or is this a nod to all the Mephisto theories in WandaVision?

We'll, if Teen IS Billy, maybe that means we will see Mephisto at the end.

 

I've actually been wondering if they're merging a bit of the comics and MCU storylines and...

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It's one of Wanda's kids' souls in Nicholas Scratch's body -- presumably if Agatha sold Scratch to Mephisto for the Darkhold, he only took the soul and the body was a husk...

 

My guess

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The Mephisto reference was just them tweaking the nose of all the people who wouldn't shut up about Mephisto in Wandavision. Teen can be both Wiccan and Agatha's missing kid. Darkhold in the cradle seems like there will be more about them. Why does Wiccan in the MCU have to be Wanda Maximoff kid? She's dead. It's Agatha's show

 

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I think this is the the "mistery" ( and core ) of the show.
My guess

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Teen is actually Nicholas Scratch, just because it would be way too obvious him to be Wiccan and also without the Scarlet Witch around billy's character would make very little sense. Also: wouldn't Billy remember Agatha tried to kill him and Tommy? Why would he want to help her ?

 

Not reading any speculation spoilers above, but man was that third episode boring. My wife fell asleep. What house has frankincense on hand? Like they had twists on other things like zooplankton being in petroleum products and it shouldn't be hard to find an item in your home that contains petroleum and then there was that fancy name for honey so why not do that for all the ingredients? It didn't make sense to me that they required such an esoteric ingredient unless it maybe ties to the overarching mystery of the show. I don't know and at this point I don't know why I should care. Why do I as a viewer want Agatha to get her powers back? More importantly, the show has still yet to tell me or show me why I should care about any of these characters.

 

You have good points.
But guess what? It has to do with the lack of connection within the MCU story lines.
The show would be more relevant if: A)Wanda was still alive and Agatha wanted her powers back to fight her, B) it all was a set up to midnight suns ( with Strange, Blade, Man Thing, GhostRider, etc), C) an Avemger comes up to clean the mess.
But in the end the show seems to be a thing of its own.
And years after WandaVisiion Marvel never gave any logical answer why the Sourcerer Supreme ( wong) or Strange are so disinteressed of the events of Westville, wich always looked odd.
As for yesterday episode i think the problem lies more in its identity as a show. Is it a comedy? A Dramedy ? Or a horror show like American Horror Story ( wich chapter 3 looked to me more in line IMHO).

 

So, maybe you missed the part where Jen says "we look like my customers..."

So when they were exploring the house, based on her comment above, it's affluent white woman house -- so when Teen said "... do you smell eucalyptus?" they realized there were essential oils which absolutely would include frankincense... especially since there was obviously a sauna there.

 

Also, Agatha's comment that of course they would have

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Jen's full product line.

So a house obsessed with beauty and the finer things. Hence the wine being the poison. Their faces blow up like a bad Botox job. Jen has to admit she's a fraud and that her products are NOT all natural. It definitely felt like it was piercing through the facades they all put on for whatever reason.

 

Mrs Hart has been MVP so far. She has more personality than the rest of the coven combined.

 

So, there's a somewhat interesting theory going around...

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Sharon is Rio in disguise.

Some of the theories were somewhat tangential, but things like apparently Wanda's dinner date with them in the first episode -- because it was in black and white -- was a black heart on the calendar, etc... but in this episode, when describing the Sigil protecting Teen from being identified by witches, if Sharon wasn't a witch, she'd know who he was...

 

Yup. I said that in my post towards the top of this page. I think that is the case.

I will say Funko spoiled the identities of Teen and her character so beware. I'm avoiding the articles but apparently the confirmation is out there thanks to merchandise.

 

The third episode was entertaining but a big drop, at least for me, from the 2-episode premiere.

There's definitely a game of deception going on.

I also wouldn't fully trust merchandising... they've been misleading before.

 

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"That boy isn't your son"

Well, duh. We all know who he is.

We also now know that Agatha doesn't know if she put the sigil on him. But if Wanda bound her powers, the only thing that would make sense would be if she did it to Billy (and Tommy) when they were at her house. But she stated she doesn't do those.

Wanda of course makes the most sense. Mephisto also. I'm going to throw out someone else though whose name starts with a W and who has also been in a Disney+ series and was with Wanda before she "died"

Yup. I'm throwing out Wongers
Totally left field and not a witch. But think of how awesome a random Wong appearance could be.

Being serious now, Rio certainly revealed a lot.

She and Agatha were an item. She had to do something that hurt her. She is Rio's scar.
The something is likely taking Nicholas.
She knows teen isn't her son which means she knows what Nicholas' fate is.
She also mentions that Agatha gets the coven's power and she gets their bodies.

We've now had Water and Fire trials. Jen and Alice have both gone. So Air and Lilia seem the most likely. It could be Rio and Earth but I doubt it.

Now, let's talk about Agatha's bad draft pick. Sharon needs to come back by the end of this! I don't accept that we get three episodes, then just bury her, and move on. I think she has a part to play still and the song hints at this. She could appear as a spiritual guide for the coven. This makes the most sense for Lilia. So, will we see her next week? Maybe.

Do we have an office episode count yet? My guess is 7 or 8.

1) Break spell
2) Assemble Coven
3) Water trial
4) Fire trial
5) Air Trial
6) Earth Trial
7) End of the Road
8) Confrontation

8 puts us at 10/30 so that seems possible since the whole idea was trying into Halloween.

 

I think the season is 9 episodes -- 2 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 2 is the release order, supposedly.

 

You are correct. Did not realize it was 9 but I did get the release schedule right at least

Now I need them to release the song.

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LOVED the reveal that Lorna Wu had cast a protection spell by releasing the song and that by making it a hit, it was playing somewhere at all times to protect Alice. I really enjoy all these modern twists on the traditional ideas of witchcraft like Jen's potion making last episode and now the song being a protection spell. Looking forward to the divination episode which looks to be next week. My guess is a certain spirit might visit them and she might not be too happy.

 

Oh dang, I just realized it ends the day before Halloween... good timing!

 

This seems like another show with hardly any story that is being padded out.
It's not really going anywhere, and where it's going to go seems reasonably obvious yet the journey is not that interesting so far.

There's no real antagonist yet, nobody is particularly compelling so far.

I'm not sure who this is aimed at, it doesn't have anyone major in it that Marvel fans would tune in to see & it isn't implying that anyone apart from Mephisto might show up who'd be worth seeing.

But hey, the song is catchy I guess. And clearly they'll re-use it as much as they can.

 

Speculation but:

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The show likely serves a few purposes:
1) Redeems Agatha to make her an anti-hero. Highly likely she makes a sacrifice of some kind to save the coven.
2) Introduce Billy. Setting up for future projects but also perhaps hinting at Wanda's next move
3) Expanding the supernatural. Vampires were mentioned last night and we know werewolves exist thanks to Werewolf by Night. Blade and Black Knight have both been teased. Midnight Suns certainly is rumored and Mephisto has been name dropped. Additionally, it's pretty clear who Rio is and she may be establishing some rules for other future characters.
4) Holiday show. All of this is taking place against the backdrop of Halloween. It gives Marvel a special not unlike Werewolf by Night.

Now, the plot itself is actually pretty interesting:
1) Agatha lost a son. She gave him up we believe for power and that lust for power lost her two loves.
2) Jennifer was tricked and bound by a doctor. We don't know too much more except that she has no idea how he did it.
3) Alice was perhaps the most interesting even if it was straightforward. Her family had a generational curse and it killed her grandmother. It killed her mother but her mother was brilliant enough to cast a protection spell through her song and by making it a best selling hit, ensured it was always being cast to protect Alice.
4) With Lilia, we know there's something in her past that haunts her. It appears to do with her old teacher.
5) Teen- we know who he is. It's actually the how and why that drives the mystery more.
6) Rio. Again, we know who she is. We know she can't kill Agatha apparently. We know she once loved Agatha and she likely was responsible for what happened to Nicholas. But right now, we don't know much more.

In terms of plot, I'd say that is a lot more than we have seen in some of the other Marvel shows- Secret Invasion being the biggest offender.

 

YYYYAAAAAAWWWWWWWNNNNNNNNN

 

I hated the scene in the last Trek movie when they were saved by the power of rock 'n' roll, and I hated it just as much in this episode.

Mrs Hart was the only character I enjoyed, and Agatha is getting more annoying every episode. I have zero investment in this show.

 

This show is doing nothing for me. It's so boring. Another episode with no answers and we get the song again with slightly different lyrics I guess?

 

But this version was literally fire!