Should the Jabba scene in ANH be removed?

Well, myabe Don Bies (he played Boba Fett in this scene, if I remember correctly) wasn't told he was filming a scene to be inserted into STAR WARS EPISODE IV: A NEW HOPE like how it's said Hayden Christensen wasn't told he was being filmed for a scene to be inserted into STAR WARS EPISODE VI: RETURN OF THE JEDI.

And Han Solo's final line to Jabba the Hutt is absolutely cool and absolutely Han Solo.

 

it should never have been put in in the first place. its repetitive and absolutely unnecessary, i can't stand to watch it. the only good thing about the whole scene is the fact that my darling Han is in it

its wrong for so many reasons:
1) han basically runs through the same dialogue he ran through with Greedo

2) Jabba the freakin Hutt would NOT personally go to the spaceport to give Han a warning. He's a gangster, the almighty Jabba the Hutt, he has many people to do his bidding and something like this is completely beneath him.

3) Where is Jabba's repulsor sled? isn't he at the corpulent stage of a Hutt's life, he wouldn't be slithering around by his own power for something as lowly as threatening a smuggler. he just wouldn't.

4) Fett would not have been there, he's a bounty hunter, not Jabba's personal guardsman or employee. plus, if they're going to put him in there, don't make such a big show of it. its so obvious they want you to see Fett, but why? what does he add to the scene? nothing, not a thing.

5) Han stepping on Jabba's tail is so unrealistic!! i love you George and i love you Han, but NO! He would be a dead man. Jabba the Hutt would have had one of his henchman burn a blaster bolt straight through Han's head if he did that. its madness i tell you! madness!!!!

 

I agree that they need to fix the CGI Jabba. He was much biggger than the way they depicted him in ANH.

 

I voted yes.

I never saw the point of this scene. Other than to showcase CGI, I don't think it HAS a point.

We know Jabba is after Han due to the conversation Han has with Greedo. I think this is a case where NOT seeing Jabba enhances the mystery surrounding his character. Kind of like the Wampa creature in TESB.

Besides, Han stepping on Jabba's tail really lessens Jabba's threatening character.

George Lucas was concerned with whether or not they could, but didn't stop to think if they should. (Cheap Jurassic Park reference!)

 

I'm in the same camp as the "leave it but fix it up more" fans.

The 97 CG Jabba was terrible ImO but NOT the 04 version. I'm not saying the DvD version is perfect but if you compare the completely cartoon-like 97 version with the newer version you can see a HUGE improvement.

Some things to work on in that scene...

The repetition issue - Perhaps alter or omit some dialogue.

Bad editing in regards to Chewie moving around - Re-shoot Chewie or just take whats there and CG him where he belongs.

Han stepping on Jabba's tail - It's not 97 anymore. If Dooku can do backflips and Brando can return in Superman, Han can simply walk IN FRONT of Jabba and avoid the whole problem of Jabba coming off weak.

Jabba's appearance - I say FORCE the dudes at ILM to watch RoTJ Jabba over and over on a loop until they get that he is supposed to look as close that as possible. Even in 1997 I was dissapointed that the infamous slug I thought of as Jabba wouldn't be there on the big screen in anyway in AnH SE.


And if your going to have Boba Fett with Jabba why not Bib Fortuna as well? I'd much rather see some of the faces from RoTJ surrounding Jabba as opposed to a bunch of generic Greedo clones and human pirates.

 

I say leave it. Especially the DVD version with the better Jabba.

 

Leave Jabba in, the scene is great!!!

 

Leave it in. After watching the documentary From SW to Jedi: The Making of a Saga about a million times I've always wondered what that scene would add to the movie. I love it. Especially the newest version on DVD. It gives the movie more umph. It's a great addition to the movie.

 

I can live with it or without it. Personally when Jabba featured in 1997 SE the graphics of the CGI were just plain wrong. Back then it needed major enhancement which it got in 2004 luckily.

With him in the movie at least the talk of Jabba in ANH and ESB lets the build up flow nicely until his main appearance in ROTJ. It kind of makes sense if he is mentioned throughout Episodes IV and V to have him feature at the beggining.

However next month when I watch the OOT and he isn't there personally I will not care a great deal.

 

But the 1997 changes were meant to "complete the movie", according to Lucas. Why wait 20 years to return to your "half-finished" movie, only to botch the job?

Before this scene was added back in, the audience could at least imagine Jabba to be some fearsome crimelord. Unfortunately, having seen Han step on his tail and get away with it, the tension is now absent and Han looks like an ass for being so skittish whenever Jabba is mentioned.

 

I voted take it out. It was sort of an interesting addition in 1997 in the theatres as a one shot deal. As soon as you watch a second time, it becomes obvious how badly it fits in, for all the reasons that have already been mentioned.

IMO, for future dvd releases, it should be dropppe from the film, lumped in with other deleted scenes (like Luke at Tosche Station).

 

I know what you mean Sanctuary_Moon. As I said it's something I can accept but am not wholeheartedley bothered about now. The 1997 version ruined the scene even more so with the dire CGI, which was turned into a vast improvement. The stepping on Jabba's tail is poor in any circumstance. As I mentioned in the OOT thread. All improvements apart from the ESB feature of Palpatine in the Special Editions are not superior at all.

 

I don't think it should be removed. I voted that it should be improved. It's a great scene that even looks better in the ANH DVD version than it did in the SE. So with better techology, maybe Lucas will improve the scene again with the HD-DVD or Blu-ray ANH version.

 

I don't think the scene should be removed, but i think they should reinsert the original Han/Greedo shooting scene again, so it makes Han appear more badass than he is shown in the current version of ANH and will make the Jabba scene stronger overall.

A few more touch-ups on Jabba would be nice though.

 

I agree with everything Strillo says here.

The scene was meant to be in there from the start. It's not absolutely necessary however, it adds to Han's character and backstory.

 

I voted YES for many reasons:

1) The scene eliminates the mystery and intrigue of who Jabba is in the OT. You keep hearing his name in ANH and ESB, but you don't see him until ROTJ.

2) It ruins the introduction of the Falcon.

3) Han stepping on Jabba's tail is insane!

4) How did Jabba know that Greedo was fried that quickly?

5) The relationship between Han and Jabba is inconsistent with what we see in ROTJ.

6) Boba serves no purpose whatsoever! It doesn't even make sense that he's there with Jabba, he should be out on his own, collecting bounties.

7) When Obi-Wan and Luke were boarding the Falcon, Han was expecting Jabba's henchmen to come through the docking bay door at any time when they found out what happened to Greedo, what's whz he told them "We're a little rushed". I think it's cool that he was there expecting Jabba's henchment, when he got a squad of Imperial troops blasting at him instead. The Jabba scene ruins that.

 

That scene just plain blows.

 

Wipe it out. All of it.




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Yes. It should never have been added in the first place.

 

I don't like this scene, but for me this is almost a none-issue.

When I taped ANH long ago, I simply stoped recording during this scene. To tell you the truth, I almost forgot it existed.

 

Re-delete it for a few reasons:

1. Diminishes Jabba's mystery and menace (and as someone above pointed out, it's out of Jabba's character to even be there at all). Plus:

Couldn't have said it better myself.

2. Fanboy-baiting overuse of Boba Fett is pointless and pretty much sums up the scene's purpose: "look how kewl this is!" The next update of the OT will probably feature Boba Fett in 40% of all scenes. "Look, there's Boba in the cantina! And in Echo Base! And Dagobah!"

3. How does Jabba already know Han "fried" Greedo? That was like two minutes ago.

 

Jabba has people all over Mos Eisley, so it didn't surprise me one bit that Jabba found out so quickly. Anyways, he knows Han well enough to expect that Greedo got iced. Greedo never stood a chance.

 

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[quote=rumsmuggler]Anyways, he knows Han well enough to expect that Greedo got iced.[/quote]

I wonder if Jabba knows that Han is the kind of guy who would let Greedo to shoot first.[face_thinking]

 

First i think I must explain that i am 38 years old and saw the films the first time around in the theaters. I mention that just to dispell that perhaps i am a kid who doesn't know from shinola. No offense to any kids here, it just means i should NOT like the Jabba scene because it is a redo later and old people are supposed to be set in their ways etc etc etc yadda yadda yadda.

Okay, I like the jabba scene in epi 4. I am also glad they never used it originally or else we would have had either a fat guy gangster human or the reputed stop action overdub that was to be added later and was never done due to this and a that reason.

If they had done that it would have ruined the scene and also the design of the almighty jabba we know and love today from episode 6.

I would like the han walking on his tail removed or not made so funny with jabba making faces as he is being stepped on though.

Somehow i do not get the idea that jabba would have been so gleeful and full of chuckles at someone walking all over on him. They had to do it to make it look natural but honestly if they had just had han walk by the back of him the average star wars fan would know why it was like that.

The bottom line for me though is that I respect Georgie and if this was his final vision who am I to argue either way. They are after all his films and as an artist he can do what he wants to them even if it were to replace 90 minutes of the film with a turd wearing a vader helmet.

If da Vinci paints a moustache on the Mona Lisa it is his art to begin with but if another fellow does it it is vandalism. The jury is still out on what geogie has doine with some people .... usually it is a problem with the old guys like me who are set in their ways. Not an assumption BUT FACT!! hahaha I kill me.

The main reason i am okay with it is that GL had originally wanted to do it when original filming took place, shot some scenes and stuff.

it was to be in the original so claimng that jabba would NOT go himself to talk to han is silly because he did and it was done then when the film was made. meaning if the scene could have worked we would all know the scene as old hat not even discussing it as it would have been in the film anyway THEN.

 

I like it, i say keep it