Sith on the level of Cthulhu?

What do you think? Would you like some ancient evil Sith Lord awakened or about to awaken, with power on the level of Cthulhu? A planet as evil as what we see in Lovecraft's work? Perhaps even a representation of the dark side itself, evil incarnate as it were, maybe Bogan, the name for the dark side used by the ancient Jedi...

I'd like it myself. It's why I was so excited about the true Sith when they were first mentioned in KOTOR 2; I thought, if the true Sith are even more evil and more powerful and more dangerous than all the Sith we've seen so far... I mean, what could beat Nihilus in terms of destructive power? I thought, probably something only on the level of Cthulhu could possibly be worse.

So, what do you think...

 

Ummm, maybe Abeloth? She's vaguely Cthuluish.

Anyways

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Darth Nihilus is the Yawning Hunger that consumes whole worlds. So that is something.

But I am glad other people think like me. Now, personally, I would not like a Sith so much as a Sith-spawn, and probably less Cthullu and more Cthonian, but yeha, I think Lovecraftian elements could work in Star Wars.

 

Personally I just don't find Abeloth scary enough. But I was more meaning a Sith Lord with the power and scariness of Cthulhu, and that element of 'ancient evil that could destroy the entire universe,' rather than similarity in appearance.

Mercenary_Ace, I think a Sithspawn that was also a Sith Lord would be cool, and an idea I've been toying around with for a while too. I mean, the Tuk'ata were at least semi-sentient, capable of speaking and understanding the Sith language, so I'd have no problem with an even more intelligent Sithspawn monster, something that was above other Sith simply because it was so monstrous and powerful. Like, a real beastly, uh, beast, that is also a Sith Lord... I like that idea.

 

I'd personally like a lot more variety with the Sith (whether Sith Lords or Sithspawn or Sith minions). A Sith Lord that is a force of destruction, chaos, hunger, death and all that bad stuff, superpowerful, like even more than Nihilus, on the level of Cthulhu, whose mere awakening could destroy the galaxy. I'd like that. Or a real Sith wizard, a necromancer who deals in reanimating the dead, maybe summoning the spirits of ancient Sith Lords from Chaos and thus unleashing hell (literally), and producing an army of zombies. Or yeah, the monstrous Sithspawn. All of these would make pretty cool Sith Lords, even if not much character development would be possible with them, due to their very nature.

 

Well, she is an ancient evil that could very possibly destroy the universe? Any other qualifications?

 

You might be right. I'd have to wait for Fate of the Jedi to be over and done with before I judge her. We haven't seen enough of her yet, I think. However, regardless of her power, a "large-lipped alien woman with stubby arms with tentacles for fingers" doesn't sound that scary to me, whereas Darth Nihilus the planet-eating wraith was more creepy.

And tying into the Sith necromancer idea, I'd also kike some sort of Sith hermit, a bit like that Dark Obi-Wan for Battlefront III, a sort of archaeologist too, who goes around collecting Sith artifacts, and lives on Korriban and dares to explore the dark world. As Andeddu said, knowledge is POWAH!!!111 and the Sith hermit could probably become very powerful if he had all sorts of Sith talismans and amulets on him and studied ancient manuscripts, spell books and holocrons all the time. Perhaps then he could become the super powerful Sith necromancer who unleashes a horde of decrepit, rotten-looking spirits of ancient Sith on the galaxy (like the ghoul/ghost things in Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King.) Perhaps he could also be responsible for the Sithspawn Mercenary_Ace mentioned, and tried to awaken some sort of ancient evil on the level of Cthulhu too. Perhaps he could recognize his own individual Force power wouldn't be enough, so he was content learning forbidden Sith knowledge, trying all sorts of weird experiments in magic and alchemy, and let Sith artifacts do the work for him in the rare occasions he gets in a fight. And then he awakes a whole bunch of bad stuff, which results in a lot more bad stuff overall for the galaxy. A story about that (especially if it's written by Stover ) I'd buy in an instant.

Edit: Perhaps I should make a new thread, if there isn't already one, about everyone's ideas for a very original, creative, super powerful Sith.

 

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Darth Cthulhu.

"ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn!"

 

All Sith started as mortal sentients, which means they're fundamentally more comprehensible than an Elder God.

 

Perhaps if Palpatine was a Quarren you'd count him? Because his goals ultimately were pretty OMFnG evil, and the notion that the balance of the Force needs righting so badly that the Force spawns a Chosen One to bring balance. Palpatine was an existential threat to the very universe never before, or possibly again, to be seen. He's much scarier in Dark Empire than he is the movies too, though he comes off pretty DE in ROTS.

 

Palpatine was a good villain, and he accomplished what no other Sith Lord did before. But I'm not talking about that, I'm talking, like how Lord_Hydronium has talked about before if I recall correctly, some absolutely 100% creepy, scary ancient evil on the level of Cthulhu, super powerful, whose mere awakening will doom the galaxy, the whole thing, in some planet that is evil on a Lovecraftian scale. I'm talking way beyond Palpatine, beyond Darth Nihilus even, beyond any other Sith. That.

 

Mercenary_Ace, I think a Sithspawn that was also a Sith Lord would be cool, and an idea I've been toying around with for a while too. I mean, the Tuk'ata were at least semi-sentient, capable of speaking and understanding the Sith language, so I'd have no problem with an even more intelligent Sithspawn monster, something that was above other Sith simply because it was so monstrous and powerful. Like, a real beastly, uh, beast, that is also a Sith Lord... I like that idea.
That....that is a really cool idea actually. I can't believe I never thought about it, but it fits...it fits so well.

I mean, there are two key things about the Sith;

1) They are always trying to create the perfect Sith. Whether through the prophecy of the Sith'ari, or Bane's Rule of Two, or the Academies of Korriban, the Sith seek perfection through competition.

2) The Sith were founded on the promise of Sith Alchemy; the ability to alter life itself, and make a perfect Galaxy.

Why not combine the two?

Have the Sith seek to create a perfect Sith Lord through alchemy, their ambition and power made manifest upon the world.

Ooh....I like this idea very much.

 

Go read Dark Empire, or better yet, the Dark Empire sourcebook. Palpatine was an Elder God for all intents and purposes by the time of his resurrection. And yeah, his intents and motivations definitely weren't relateable on a human level, unless you're a total sociopath.

 

I think Palpatine's the closest we are going to get to that for a long long time. For one, the nature of the threat in the films has to be maintained because how can we have crises that outweigh the threat of the films that necessitated a Jedi Messiah? Plus, in Dark Empire Palpatine is practically the Dark Side Incarnate. He's unhinged, and even his legacy and heritage as THE Dark Lord of the Sith doesn't concern him. Even the Sith Lords entombed on Korriban are mere resources to be used for his own ends at that point. Palpatine was beyond Nihilus, quite frankly.

 

That reminds me of Set Harth.

 

Abeloth seems to be a more accurate depiction of this archetype; given the hype, there are implications she's beyond anyone: Anakin, Luke, or Palpatine.

But in terms of Sith, I'd wholeheartedly agree.

 

I have to agree - Abeloth seems to be the answer on a more cosmic, superhuman scale. Palpatine would definitely cover a sentient Sith Lord who is Evil Incarnate. As far as evil planets go, there's Byss or Korriban.

Quick question, Darth_Dreadwar. Are you looking to see a new Sith Lord totally take over or destroy the Star Wars galaxy? Is that your criterion for a Sith "on the level of Cthulhu" (who is not an actual Star Wars creation, so it could be hard to make direct comparisons) - that he has to be a literally unstoppable, unbeatable force of evil? Not that there's anything wrong with wanting this (obviously), but I'm not sure that this is something that will ever officially happen, except perhaps in video games.

ETA: Actually, what about the Dark Side itself? There's imagery from Shadows of Mindor (through the unreliable Cronal, but nevertheless) and DE that the Dark Side had a tangible effect and power beyond simple sentient choice.

(Also edited to clarify and be less accidentally bitchy - it's late and my brain's half asleep)

 

PS-Sith Necromancer:

I forgot to mention, but there are zombies on Korriban, and Ventress raises dead warriors to fight for her at least once.

And then there is Karness Muur...man was that guy creepy.

 

Personally, I'm hoping for this. I don't know why but its something that I think would be an interesting turn of events to go down with Abeloth and maybe her kin being Cthulhuish beings that the Celestials imprisoned or something like that.

 

Asides from Nihilus (who I love) and Abeloth (who I may grow to love, depends if she turns out the way I hope), the other name to jump into my mind is perhaps the Dark Underlord, who also like Abeloth has the potential to be expanded into a near-Nihilus style back from the dead form of dark side legion that the New Sith drew back from Chaos in a pretty insane act of "let's try this... oh kark, he's no longer human."

If not the Underlord, I'd also similarly like Ruin to go down a sort of Nihilus route, since Ruin's obsession with thinking he is the Force gives him the potential to just break every chain of mortal ways of thinking, and transcend to some kind of demigod Nihilus-like unstoppable evil who has let go of his very self to become a primordial font of darkness. Cue his own followers having to unite to undo him.

Part of me is also somewhat open to a second seed of Yuuzhan'tar being out there somewhere, only this one not being nice and friendly like Sekot but having been consumed by the dark side, becoming a world of utter evil. Actually, it needn't even be connected to Yuuzhan'tar, could just be a similar sort of "living world" like Felucia. As in the Call of Cthulu, it might call out to Force-sensitives, leading them there... only this time it won't be Jacen calling for help against some bugs, it'd be the call of the voice of a dark planet. (Again, this is what I really hope Abeloth is but... have to wait and see. Though, even if she's a fallen angel sort of dark Celestial, she's still not quite an actual dark planet that will need a whole kriffing Death Star to defeat it. "I told you we shouldn't have blown up the Sun Crusher," Kyp says.)

I do like the idea of a Sithspawned entity, though. Kind of like an attempt at creating a midichlorian superbaby that backfired and wasn't born as a nice little host body for the Sith Lord himself to then body snatch, but that was born with a twisted dark urge of its own. A sort of Anti-Christ type dark side baby that was was birthed by the dark side, and so was the dark side, with its will being almost the opposite of what created it: the Sith Lord "created" something, the thing he created just wants to "uncreate" everything. Frankenstein, only more extreme.

It'd be a nice way of explaining why Plagueis was the only guy to pull it off. I've never really bought why he'd be the only Sith ever to manage it, but it'd be interesting if other Sith Lords had tried it before, only for their darkspawn to devour their souls and be born without a heart or soul of their own, so just be an unliving wound in the Force. Think Heartless in Kingdom Hearts or something. They'd not actually be "born" at all, they'd not have been "created", the Sith who tried would in truth have failed to create life and have just created a lie, an illusion of a true lifeform that may have looked like a newborn baby, but was in fact death itself.

 

Hmm the only thing similar to that is D'vouran which is kind of like a darker version of Sekot in a way... well minus the whole being a child of Yuuzhan'tar and all.

 

Mercenary_Ace: "That....that is a really cool idea actually. I can't believe I never thought about it, but it fits...it fits so well."

I wouldn't even mind a 'mere' Tuk'ata, who has been further modified by Sith alchemy to make it larger, more powerful, and more intelligent. I love Tuk'ata.

Regardless, such a Sithspawn would be highly dangerous, as aside from being able to use the Force and being a fully sentient individual, it would also retain the characteristics of Tuk'ata and Terentatek; resistant, nearly immune in fact, to Force powers. Probably would make the deadliest Jedi killer in galactic history. Me like.

DarthBoba: "Go read Dark Empire, or better yet, the Dark Empire sourcebook. Palpatine was an Elder God for all intents and purposes by the time of his resurrection. And yeah, his intents and motivations definitely weren't relateable on a human level, unless you're a total sociopath."

Oh, I know Palpatine was totally awesome in Dark Empire. But as powerful as he was, he was still a narcissistic, insane for all intents and purposes... human. Who wanted to rule the galaxy and more if he possibly could. But we can comprehend such an individual, and Palpatine has his own goals, and thoughts, and even emotions, even if they're pretty much restricted to hatred and malice.

However, I'm talking about something which we can not possibly identify with at all, a force of destruction and chaos, nothing more, with no emotion, something way more powerful than Palpatine, and literally inhuman, perhaps more supernatural, whose mere presence dooms the universe. Perhaps something like Nihilus, except even more so, and different too, since that idea has already been used, and as evil and incomprehensible and powerful as Cthulhu. Something we've never seen before in Star Wars, at least on that level. (Abeloth and Nihilus are the closest we know of so far).

ancslove: "As far as evil planets go, there's Byss or Korriban."

As I recall, Lord_Hydronium didn't find them quite satisfying enough, and while I love Korriban, at least as it was portrayed in Korriban: Planet of Lost Souls, I don't think it's evil on a Lovecraftian scale either. Perhaps a completely, wholly unnatural planet, which if you go there you'll die, or have your soul sucked out of you, and you'll never be the same again. A planet everyone fears to name, something more terrifying than Malachor or any other Sith planet we've seen to date, full of dark side energies, spirits of Sith swirling around you and whispering to you; perhaps the planet could be a portal to Chaos itself. And it would be the lair of our Cthulhu-Nihilus super powerful Sith Lord.

ancslove: "Quick question, Darth_Dreadwar. Are you looking to see a new Sith Lord totally take over or destroy the Star Wars galaxy? Is that your criterion for a Sith "on the level of Cthulhu" (who is not an actual Star Wars creation, so it could be hard to make direct comparisons) - that he has to be a literally unstoppable, unbeatable force of evil? Not that there's anything wrong with wanting this (obviously), but I'm not sure that this is something that will ever officially happen, except perhaps in video games."

Well, not actually destroy the galaxy, but come so close everyone fears he will, or something like that, and something that is a threat more terrible than anyone has ever seen before. I was hoping and expecting something like this for whoever was lord of the true Sith which was made out to be something of that level in KOTOR 2 (which both Jedi and 'untrue' Sith would need to fight).

ancslove: "ETA: Actually, what about the Dark Side itself? There's imagery from Shadows of Mindor (through the unreliable Cronal, but nevertheless) and DE that the Dark Side had a tangible effect and power beyond simple sentient choice."

That would probably be my favorite. As some people might not want the dark side to be an actual sentient being (however incomprehensible it is to the minds of the population of the galaxy), however, it could be done both ways, where many characters believe it is the dark

 

What is Cthulhus power level? Over 9000?

 

What I thought. And what was Lukegochi´s?

 

Cthulhu is very powerful, powerful that he could wipe out all of humankind and Earth if he wished. And, unlike Nihilus, this was not the limit of his power. Cthulhu was completely beyond humankind (and Jedi and Sith in the GFFA), and incomprehensible to humankind also. Granted, a Sith on his level of power might be going a bit too far, but something like that would be cool.

Another idea; a fallen member of some great ancient mysterious race, such as a fallen Angel, or Celestial, or even a Whill. Perhaps even one of the Abominor droid race. We have Force-sensitive sentients composed of crystal, there's nothing against one of the Abominor being Force-sensitive either in my opinion.

A variant on the living planet idea, is a Sith Lord whose spirit is bound to a dark planet, and who has in a way taken that planet to be his new body. He thus has power over the storms and over geological activity such as earthquakes and volcanoes, and much more. In fact, I wouldn't mind if Korriban, Ziost, Dromund Kaas, Malachor and other Sith worlds were sort of living beings themselves, either due to a Sith spirit who is lord over them, or the dark side itself is concentrated so heavily there the world almost becomes a sort of sentient thing, which many mistake to be a living thing, when reality it is only a representation of the dark side.

Edit: Oh, an ancient evil a la Cthulhu imprisoned by the Celestials or some other ancient race in the absolute depths of a Sith planet we already know of (probably Korriban, maybe Ziost) appeals to me. It would be something that few were aware of, since it was so deep in a cave system which led to a tomb/prison/temple or something that held this malevolent being. And when it awakens...