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A/V Skeleton Crew, Grammar Rodeos & the Law (Jon Watts TV show)

Discussion in 'Literature' started by Jeff_Ferguson, May 17, 2022.

  1. SyndicThrass

    SyndicThrass Force Ghost star 5

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    Literally any Sith character would have murdered those children and their parents without blinking. Cad Bane too. Jabba probably would have enslaved them. Tarkin would have taken their planet over, stripmined it of its resources and put the population to work in minting gold for the Imperial War Machine, ditto with Thrawn, though he’d tell them it’s all for the greater good. Baylan would cut down anyone who resisted them while lamenting their foolishness.

    Really, other than killing a few of his fellow pirates and scaring and yelling at the kids, Jod’s far less heinous than the standard SW baddie.
     
  2. MercenaryAce

    MercenaryAce Chosen One star 6

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    -New Republic best pirate busters? Who else is doing it (beyond the Mandos that one time)?
    -Anyway, cool to see them save the day after the other shows have been hammering their failures. Though if one wants to be cynical, the place they saved did have a lot of money. ;p
    -Love the design of the pirate skiffs. Simple yet brutal.
    -All bow before giga-r2!
    -I am kind of surprised the supervisor knows Fern and Fara by name. I shouldn't be, constant surveillance + giant computer brain worth of memory, but after refusing to help look for them, I figured the supervisor wouldn't care about them enough to speak as fondly and familiarly as he did here
    -Hmm...you know, there didn't seem to be any remains of a supervisor droid in the At Achrin version of the superviser tower. Did they not have one, or was that thoroughly scavenged for parts?
    -Interesting that the supervisor heard of order 66, but not anything afterwords - probably order 66 news was sent as @Everyone, and then things were reorganized and the comms to At Attin got lost because no one knew what it was. Though I also like a theory I saw that Palpatine accidentally killed the people who knew about At Attin in his many purges.
    -On that note, it is ironic that the supervisor knew Jod was fake because of that...while not knowing that there is a New Republic and New Jedi Order who are on good terms again, so theoretically a jedi could have been an emissary.
    -Also ironic that the kids kept quiet about jod because they were worried about the safety droids telling on them, but those droids are linked to the superviser, who was already suspicious and took Fern's word as confirmation, so I wonder if them telling earlier would have helped.
    -Wim: You did see me playing with my dolls again!
    -I am down for more Jod, whether in future mandoverse shows/films or books and comics, whether redeemed or antagonist or both. Heck, he sounds perfect for a set of Tales of X episodes - his jedi training, his time as a bounty hunter, and becoming a pirate the first time.
    -As someone who counted the b-wing as their favorite ship since childhood, it was beautiful seeing them in action and kicking butt.
    -I do wish there was more of a denouncement to see how the world was adjusting and what the kids lives will be like for a while - even if we do get a season 2 it will be years later in universe according to the interviews. Small complaint though.
    -Very cool end credit sequence.

    Huh, the pirate skiffs even look like that Mando vehicle in the foreground.

    He did throw an innocent freighter captain out an airlock.
     
  3. SyndicThrass

    SyndicThrass Force Ghost star 5

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    Ah yes, he did make that one bloke walk the space plank, didn’t he?

    But still, considering this is a franchise of Fascists and Dark Wizards who indulge in genocide on the regular…I’m not sure why the Long John Silver expy (who couldn’t bring himself to kill or even seriously harm children) is especially contemptible.
     
  4. Jedi Ben

    Jedi Ben Chosen One star 10

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    Syndic - you're the only one running this League Table of Bastards.

    For me? Vader, Tarkin, Sidious, any other super-bastard Sith Lord, Vong slaughterer-in-chief... they're not in the story, they're not here. Jod is and I really don't like him.

    It can be said, correctly, that if you don't like a villain then that means the writing is good, the execution is good. And yep, it is.
     
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  5. BigAl6ft6

    BigAl6ft6 Chosen One star 8

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    Ending was a bit abrupt but I don't mind, I like efficency in my endings!
     
  6. SyndicThrass

    SyndicThrass Force Ghost star 5

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    Eh, show doesn’t exist in a bubble, especially in this ep when it specifically harkens back to the actions of a Sith Lord and the major genocide he enacted within this setting.

    I’ve seen it here and I’ve seen it elsewhere, this notion that Jod is the most hateable and irredeemable villain in Star Wars. I don’t get it, personally. Even just within the context of the series, Ford and Watts seem to take pains to show that he’s not a complete monster.
     
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  7. TalonCard

    TalonCard •Author: Slave Pits of Lorrd •TFN EU Staff star 5 VIP

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    Jod is a very interesting character and I liked that the series kept me guessing about what his motivations, past, and actions would be right up until the end.
    In the end, I think that he genuinely thought the kids and their parents, and even their way of life were one of the few "bright spots" in the universe and were worth preserving. Most anything else can go hang in his view, and his brutal execution of the freighter captain is evidence of that. That being said, he also thought that the best outcome would be with him in total control of their planet, and he wasn't above threatening the kids and their parents with physical harm and death, not to mention physical abuse and mental trauma, even if he wouldn't actually go that far, so he ends the series a definite, dangerous, and desperate villain with a long ways to go if he's ever going to be redeemed.

    Speculation for future seasons:
    I also wanted to see an expanded ending, but this does leave things open for the Imperial Remnant/First Order/crime syndicate to sweep in the immediate aftermath (or maybe the New Republic forces aren't what they seem), leaving the kids to reluctantly team up with Jod again to free their world.
    Whatever happens, I'd really like to see a follow up, whether it's a series or movie. It's been a great adventure week to week .
     
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  8. Foreign32567

    Foreign32567 Jedi Master star 4

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    They also arrived pretty quickly to protect the Banking Clan's officials from the pirates.

    And similarly have lots of weapons attached. Vane is not a very good shooter, but the chase itself was the best "high speed" scene in SW in a rather long time.
     
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  9. BigAl6ft6

    BigAl6ft6 Chosen One star 8

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    I think if Palpatine knew about At Attlin he probably thought that having a mint money making world in his back pocket would be more advantageous than revealing it. As for it receiving Order 66 (or at least news that the Jedi rebellion has happened) it makes me wonder if they actually had a Jedi stationed on the planet or even a Clonetrooper squad (or more likely the AI just got news about it and filled the information away)

    Jod had to have found his Jedi friend in the gutter after O66, doesn't quite make that much sense unless they found him, started showing him how to float rocks and immediately got shot in the back by Clonetroopers when O66 happened. Bad timing!
     
  10. Jedi Ben

    Jedi Ben Chosen One star 10

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    The sense I got is Jod was found by a Jedi who survived Order 66, helped him, then was killed by Inquisitors, while he was forced to watch.
     
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  11. Jedi Master Frizzy

    Jedi Master Frizzy Force Ghost star 8

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    Question
    Anyone think we might know witch Inqusitor killed his his master, i think Grand Inqusitor he is vile enough
     
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  12. Jedi Ben

    Jedi Ben Chosen One star 10

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    What's described is well within the ability and willingness of any of them.
     
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  13. MercenaryAce

    MercenaryAce Chosen One star 6

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    Oh definitely, he would hardly be far from the worst character to get a redemption in star wars - I mean, even leaving aside everything Vader has done Crosshair had political refugees burned alive - and it isn't really a redemption if you never did anything wrong to begin with, but I do find it a bit weird how often I have seen various people saying he never killed anyone but Brutus when that is one of the first things we see him do.

    I do remember the creators talking about how any follow up would have to take place years later in-universe, cause kids that age grow up fast in a way that is hard to ignore or write around, so I don't things are going to immediately go to poodo like that.

    Yeah I remember that being pointed out in that episode as well.

    Though, jokes aside, it might just be who received the call - the one New Republic colonel we see who let him be talked by an ex-imperial into not helping is obviously pretty different from General Hera Syndulla, and who don't know who Kyhmm's NR contact is, but they are probably more on the Hera side of the equation.

    True. I especially loved the effect of the blasters hitting the water, it was a nice touch.

    Seventh sister always struck me as having a sadistic streak even by Inquistor standards as well.

    Honestly, what I am most curious about is that, even if was an Inquistor, Jod somehow managed to avoid getting drafted by project harvester, even though they made him watch implying they new he was her apprentice and thus likely FS.

    I would guess he got rescued by pirates or something, but then again his whole spiel about how no one is coming to save At Attin implies no did save him...though maybe he would still feel like that if his rescue was an accident by some pirates just looking for loot and hiring him on as cheap labor.
     
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  14. Lady Delpheas

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    I wanna know who was on the ship at the end? Leia? Getting dispatched to a delicate negotiation with people cut off from the galaxy for generations?
     
  15. Chris0013

    Chris0013 Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    While I feel the series needed some sort of epilogue...a NR representative talking to the parents about the last several decades and helping At Attin rejoin the Republic...it should NOT have been Leia or any other big name.
     
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  16. Sly442

    Sly442 Jedi Knight star 1

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    I didn't think of the CR90 as anything more than another patrol ship with no one but defense force personnel on it.
     
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  17. Kadar Ordo

    Kadar Ordo Jedi Knight star 2

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    A thought I had regarding the Supervisor:
    Droids are typically depicted to take orders and commands literally; the show itself demonstrates this with SM-33 claiming not to know anything about At Attin because of what Rennod ordered of him.

    My guess is that the Supervisor was programmed to serve and acknowledge the Republic, which it does... but ONLY the Republic. That's why the last thing it hears is of Order 66, since the Republic was still in place at that point, but after Palpatine changed it to the Empire, it did not override the Supervisor's program to answer to the Republic. It recognizes the Empire as a separate entity from the Republic because it has no reason to believe the two are one and the same.

    Now, I don't think the barrier was a response to the Empire; I can easily see it being put up to protect from people like the Nihil so they wouldn't get access to the mint. (Maybe it was a response to the Great Hyperspace Disaster? Maybe that event was what happened to the other Jewel worlds, explaining why they are so desolate).

    The thing I'm not sure about is why Palpatine wouldn't have at least tried to get access to the mint, maybe even disguising Imperial forces as Republic forces as needed. My guess is that it could be a case where knowledge or access to At Attin had already faded into legend by the time he became Chancellor and thus it wasn't on his mind when he took over as Emperor; otherwise I'm sure he'd used the money to fund the Death Star. And maybe the Order 66 message was something that was automatically sent to all Republic worlds, regardless if they were remembered or not.
     
  18. Ghost

    Ghost Chosen One star 8

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    Deleted scenes of Jod's master:
     
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  19. AusStig

    AusStig Force Ghost star 5

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    Video not working for me
     
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  20. Chris0013

    Chris0013 Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    The scene is not there. It is just talking about what the scene may have been.
     
  21. Barriss_Coffee

    Barriss_Coffee Chosen One star 6

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    I thought the end credit art was Jod's past?
     
  22. Dawud786

    Dawud786 Chosen One star 5

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    The end credit art was the stories from Wim's datapad. Except the last image was of the kids,.because now Wim had an adventure like his stories.

    That deleted scene is what I was expecting after seeing the credit for a character named Jedi Na Nawood on IMDB.
     
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    Dawud786 Chosen One star 5

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  24. Ghost

    Ghost Chosen One star 8

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    You just have to click on it.

    You see the photos and clips. You know it was shot.
     
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  25. KirKanosForever

    KirKanosForever Jedi Grand Master star 2

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    Honestly, every show would be improved by a flashback to Order 66. Ahsoka should have one for Baylan. Andor could show someone radicalized into the Rebellion from witnessing it. Hopefully we get a second season of Skeleton Crew for a lot of reasons, but that flashback is definitely one of them