So Humans and Twi'leks Can Interbreed

Pshhh...who are you guys kiddin? Gimmie a hottie female Twi'lek anyday over a horny-head/furball/fish face/3 eyes.

 

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That;s more to the point- the males were the typical Slaves of the species- it would make sense for them to take slaves - I wouldn't see the human females likeing them, but more the male Twi'leks wanting the human females.

 

That's why the whole Male Twi'lek + Human Females = breeding works. And the Male human + Female Twi'lek = no go.

We've seen situations where the Human males were told they couldn't mate with a female Tw'lek and have a child.

 

We have?

 

Please tell me this is an icon here and I can have it.
*rotfl*

 

I second this. And now I have a desktop background that fits the season.

 

Frankly it'd be gross. I think it's wrong. They aren't human, not close to human. I'm sure with clonging comes all sorts of genetic tests, and experiments. What are we talking here, hairy lekku? Fat short hairy lekku that stickout instead of being long and wrappable?

I hate the idea.

 

The breeding or any interspecies relationships? Twi'leks are as intelligent as humans; a Human/Twi'lek pairing is not the same as bestiality. If humans and Twi'leks can interbreed, it means they share a common lineage --- and that Twi'leks are VERY human because their genes are very close. I just can't see aliens that look so human be from a different evolutionary path. There are many alien species which look even less human than Twi'leks.

As for the Lekku...I think hair is recessive to Twi'lek baldness or whatever genes control the lekku modify hair growth. That was the case with the children of the clone trooper in The Deserter, and who says the hybrid lekku won't lengthen with age? There are Twi'leks with human skin tones, too. If certain kinds of lekku are too unbearable, the genetics of the GFFA can make hybrid Twi'leks reasonably appealing.

 

I kind of liked the idea of hair with lekku- not to be confused with hairy lekku.

Say a female hybrid has hair to her waist. I could see short, say just-past-shoulder-blades lekku at the same time. Would be very striking looking, especially if something was done formally to the hair, a la Padme. It could also enable her to "speak" Twi'leki, as opposed to only being able to interpret it.

 

Very interesting topic, but, could someone please explain me what is the big issue to make so much fuss about this?

 

There are two issues: possibly, some people feel that Twi'leks "aren't human", and thus that humans shouldn't have babies with them for moral reasons; secondly, some people feel that Twi'leks are sufficiently alien in a scientific, biological sense that Clone-trooper/Twi'lek babies should be impossible...

To a large extent, the first issue disappears if the second one is wrong, and that's all I want to say about the first issue; on the second issue, I have to confess I'm pretty neutral: while I think that Star Wars SHOULD respect the real-life laws of biology, and I see no pressing need for Aayla and Bly to have had kids, I also think that there are clear-enough "Star Wars" explanations in terms of genetic engineering and Force-abilities to justify the creation of hybrid kids, and that something so close to human in appearance is probably equally close in genetics already.

In short, I think the best explanation of Twi'leks is that they're already descended from human ancestors in the first place (probably through artificial genetic engineering or Force techniques), and so, whatever changes were made to change them could be "built in" to allow them to reproduce. Lekku, I've suggested before, could be hyperevolved earlobes.

"Tchun to be a person, Tchin to be a team, three to be a family, and four to build a dream", in other words...

- The Imperial Ewok

 

I always assumed that Twi'leks were genetically modified to look more human, possibly having had human genes spliced into their DNA to accomplish that.

 

I see, thanks for the explanation, Thrawn McEwok. From my personal point of view i think there may be an IU explanation similar to that of DuracellEnergizer. Perhaps originally Twi´leks and Humans were differente species (thus incompatible) but not so far removed in biological terms that it couldn´t be solved by Genetic Engineering, and maybe the Rakatans or someone else decided it was too much of a nuisance having to go all the way to Ryloth and back to get new slaves of that particular kind and tampered with the Twi´lek DNA in order to make them compatible with Humans (who were adaptable like cockroaches and reproduced themselves like rabbits...or the equivalents in the GFFA). The thing is that some Human traits started appearing too as a side effect (ears, eyebrows, peculiar skin hues...) from time to time. In the long run probably there´s not a significant difference between "purebred" Twi´leks and "hybrid" Twi´leks...because most of the race if not all is hybrid by now.

 

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doesn't this contradict an earlier Jedi Counseling that specifically said humans and Twi'leks could NOT interbreed?

If Twilek with human ears are half human, are males with cones half human?

 

Problem is that the most recent issue of Star Wars Insider specifically and very clearly stated that Humans and Twi'leks CAN interbreed. Page 54 if I remember correctly- one of my friends has my copy atm.

 

The cone' thing is Unknown. No Male has "Ear Cones" some females have ears and some have earcones.

I am frankly all for the Not-interbreeding simply for simplicity's sake.
Ear's, Ear "Cones" good grief.

 

This is certainly an interesting topic, an I'm surprised at just how many people seem annoyed by the prospect of a human successfully impregnating or being impregnated by a Twi'Lek. The place where I get a bit confused is about what the offspring would look like. I'm quite certain that the children in Deserter were 100% Twi because they were too old to be the clone trooper's, but I don't think that means it's impossible for hybrids to exists.

The big question for me is, what would they look like? The confusing part is how a Twi'lek could have both hair and lekku, but I think I have possibile solution that might make things a bit less confusing-- either the child is going to look like a Twi'Lek with some human characteristics (like say, a female with ears instead of cones, or a male without forehead lumps, and possibly the human's skin color), or they might look more like a human, but with vestigial, underdeveloped lekku that don't protrude from the skull (and possibly an exotic skin color from the Twi'lek parent). In that sense, it would be very difficult to tell a hybrid apart from a Twi'lek or a human, but physiologically they'd have some things inherited from one of the parents. Not to over think it, but it could be a genetic coin toss as to whether a child is going to have develop hair follicles or full-fledged lekku. It might be a bit convenient, but it would explain why hybrids don't appear to be more prominent despite there having been numerous instances of intimacy between human males and female Twi'lek. It could just be that at a glance, a hybrid looks like either a human, twi'lek, or one of the many near human breeds that have exotic skin colors.

If Twi'lek can indeed produce viable offspring with humans, then I think it's fair to speculate that Twi'lek should be re-classified as near humans. Until we get an example of a hybrid that of higher canon than an obscure character in Star Wars Galaxies we shouldn't assume so, but I would not shut the door on the possibility of Twi'lek being near humans entirely. I think the big hang up for people is the fact that they have head tails containing neural tissue, but there are stranger species than the Twi'lek that have met the near human criteria.

 

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I have no problem with that...simple

 

The near- terminology for Neimoidians(Near-Duros) Korunaai, Hapans, Zeltrons, Kiffar (all human)etc, are applied according to the Wook to species that either descended from colonists who lived on a planet far from the baseline population long enough to develop some different physical characteristics, or in the case of some near human populations just a very different culture.

It is possible the Rakatans, Sith, or other early species that were powerful and known to alter species could be responsible.

Most near species are descendents of colonists from the early hyperdrive era or pre hyperdrive sleeper ship era.

Duros were one of the first races in the star wars galaxy to develop hyperdrive, Nemiodia was a colony of theirs, over a couple milennia the colonists developed their own traits becoming nemiodians.

Zeltrons and possibly Chiss- have developed differing skin colors, and in the case of the Zeltrons another liver.

The Korunai- are baseline humans, with the only thing remarkable about them is that they are all force sensitive because they are descendants of the survivors of a jedi ship that crashed in the great sith war.

Hapans- are baseline human whose culture differs with that of the majority of humans drastically enough that they were classified as near human. Same thing with the Kiffar.

Arkanians- were probably baseline humans at one point but they genetically manipulated themselves to the point of being different.

Twileks are not near-human according to the wook they are humanoid. The only thing the share with human is basic shape(Hell, wookies are humaniod too.) Leeland and the people over at the wook need to discuss thing because the wook still says that Humans and Twileks can't mate. If Leeland's comments are proven true then we need something to show how the twileks came from humanity. Maybe they are

 

I love this thread with the most inhuman of loves-- thank you Leland Chee for reaffirming the difference between earth and GFFA at the goshdarned molecular level! Bring on the Palpatine brothers!


As to this whole business of 'near-humans'-- I too think it is a purely sociopolitical aspect of the situation leftover from Imperial humanocentric bigotry. Any Empire that did not fall into line and did actually consist of humanoids was tarred with that moniker, much as blacks and Native Americans were tagged with [certain racial slurs]. Lots of things get confused with racial differences that are actually only cultural,here on Earth, fx the 'Jewish race'. All our 'races' can interbreed and have plenty of hybridization.

We need some nice pink Skywalker babies now. They could even have red hair!

RF: Can't use racial epithets, even in a historical/educational context...

 

sorry RF...

 

The "near human" definition isn't that well defined within the canon, and some authors have actually mistakenly identified some species as near human even though they are anything but (like Niem Numb's species and those weird little midget guys from Revenge of the Sith). I think the best rule of thumb for the "near" definition is whether or not a species can reproduce with humans, and others, like the Happans, probably should probably be classified as regular humans but the authors decided to get cutesy and call them a sister-species because of their cultural (and really, if you did that in real life you'd be branded a racist).

The Twi'lek might be near humans, but the canological data is conflicting. In the Republic Commando book the said Twi'Lek and humans can't have children, but in Star Wars Galaxies there was a Twi'Lek NPC (who looked a little different from a typical Twi) who had a human mother. Both of these references are somewhat obscure, but until we see a character who is identified in-universe as biologically having one twi'lek parent and one human parent it's kind of an unknown. The only aspect of Twi-Lek anatomy that really casts doubt on the possibility of them being a sister species of baseline humans is the lekku, but I don't really think that that's enough to rule out the possibility of them being near humans.

Other species that I wonder about are the Zabrack and Togruta. The Togruta look a bit further removed from humans than Twi since they have those antler things and stripes, but again, the big deal breaker for most seems to be that they have extra appendages on their heads. Oddly enough, I could see the Togruta as being a near-species to the Twilek, even if neither were related to humans at all (but obviously, the they can't both be related to each other if only one is related to humans). Zabrak, on the other hand, pretty much look like humans except they have horns, so I'd be pretty surprised if they weren't near human.