So, where is Fisto?

I don't think that Fisto is underused- he is not used enough but so is the case with all jedi- actually we haven't seen enough Obi-Wan- not enough Anakin.... nearly enough Ahsoka but i wouldn't say she is overused either-

Fisto had one episode of his own (Lair of Grievous)from minor jedi only Plo and Luminara had used more than him...

 

Someone should delete that from Wookiepedia! Kit didn't smile with his head cut off!

Let me make this clear to everyone:
Kit's official death as of now is waist cleavage!

Kit didn't have a smile on his dead head in the novel! That was made up!

Much of Kit's bio on the Wook is incomplete and incorrect!

 

I'm trying to figure out what waist cleavage is. Does he have a set of you know what down there? Or is he so well endowed that he has..you know...cleavage...?

 

FistoFan: Not that I want to get this thread off topic on Fisto's, er, waist cleavage, but... what are you talking about?

Wookieepedia agrees that he was killed by a cut to the abdomen:

Although his prowess allowed him to survive longer than Tiin and Kolar, Fisto's Shii-Cho mastery was no match for Sidious's superior skill. He met his end when Sidious, the very man he had "protected" a few days before, cleaved into his stomach.

Kit Fisto met an ignominious end with a smile on his face, much to the surprise of Anakin Skywalker when he arrived.

The grinning, disembodied Fisto head is definitely in the novel:

The movie's depiction of the posse massacre is different from that of the novel, and, of course, the film version is the "true" version. However, note how the Wookiee's version is carefully worded to describe the film version, but also retains elements of the novel that do not directly contradict the film: it allows Fisto to keep his death grin, but makes no note of any decapitation.

 

I was offering the novel death as a possible explanation as to why someone might associate the grin with ROTS. Obviously being cleaved at the waist is the official death - that's what is in the film. And the novel death wasn't just 'made up', it was the original death planned by Lucas but later changed (along with many changes made to that scene) after it was deemed too violent.

EDIT: Or in other words, what the previous poster said

 

This is how I am looking at it:

Filoni: "Alright, people love Fisto so we better include him right away."
Lucas: "I gave him quite a few appearances in th films. Perhaps we should build on a familair character."
Filoni: "No way! We can't make him show up more than Plo koon."
Takuichi: "I like the Jedi. Put him in my episode or I won't write you Lair of Grievous."
Filoni: "Fine. Just don't make him do anything cool. I want fans at Comic-con to like Plo's episode better."
(Comic-con)
Filoni: "Well dang. I didn't see that coming. We have to lower the appearance of the Jedi or I...I mean we will have an epidemic here."
Lucas: "Whatever. You know more about these fan-favs than I do."

 

"On Palpatine's desk lay the head of Kit Fisto, faceup, scalp-tentacles unbound in a squid-tangle across the ebonite. His lidless eyes stared blindly at the ceiling. Anakin remembered him in the arena at Geonosis, effortlessly carving his way through wave after wave of combat droids, on his lips a gently humorous smile as though the horrific battle were only some friendly jest. His severed head wore that same smile.

Maybe he thought death was funny, too."

That was not in the novel when I read it. I swear, this must be edited text or something. The beginning is true but I don't remember Anakin even thinking about Geonosis at that time.
I could still be wrong considering that I don't own the novel but I still find that death hard to believe. Sounds like Joker work.

Either way, Kit's "Death Smile" shouldn't be counted as Cannon. It didn't really happen. So what? Did Anakin find a body of Kit's lying there with a smile and a cut on his waist? That is ridiculous.

If Lucas changed the death then it's best to hear the words from the horses mouth himself.

 

I have the novel in front of me. That was a direct quote.

Also, why would we not try to salvage as much of the novel as possible? The film contradicts Fisto's decapitation. Fine. But it is still possible for him to have a death rictus, so that part is kept in the article.

Your mileage may vary. I'm only trying to explain the logic that went into the Wookieepedia article, not forcing you to agree with it.

 

Indeed, overall the Wook does a very good job of reconciling as much of contradicting canon as possible - as there is no shot of Kit Fisto's expression after he is cut down in the film, then there is no G-canon to override the novel's statement that his final frozen expression was his trademark grin.

EDIT: In regards to Lucas' original plans for the posse's deaths, I'll try to find a source for you Fistofan55 where he states that he changed them to curb down the violence; other changes include Tiin also being beheaded and Agen Kolar being stabbed through the forehead.

 

Aren't movie novelizations G-canon too?

The death smile is canon then.

 

Anything in the novels that isn't explicitly shown in the films is technically C-canon, I believe, but as it can only be overridden by G-canon (the films) or T-canon (The Clone Wars movie/series) then the result is the same; Fisto's death smile is indeed canon.

 

Direct Quote? Dang. What novel was I reading then?

The film contradicted a lot from the novel. The novel had extra lines from our minor Jedi. If those weren't included then why shouldn't Anakin's noticement of kit's supposed smile be removed? The view cuts away immediately to Anakin running into "Duel room" that wasn't the other office.

I don't believe you are forcing my agreement. I understand the logic in the article but that does not me It is right. This is still a debate unless Lucas says "Kit died with a smile on his face."

 

So, where is Fisto?

I would actually really like to see wherever he is in an episode sometime!

 

This argument is silly. Let us discuss what brand of toothpaste Fisto is using for his smile, because I am rather jellz of it.

 

Easily agreed. It seems like TCW team ditched the character after Lair of Grievous and then started giving him cameos.

By the way, where are those other Fistofans? I know one of them was a fan of Denal or something...

@Sith Lord Gunray: Silly you say? Just about every death in Star Wars in silly and we discuss all the time!

Even Ima-gun's awesome death was silly because of his name.

 

93, I was kinda hoping for a quick response or something...

 

I don't think it was that awesome. It was over too quick.

Then again, so was Fisto's in RotS.

 

Sorry man, it was bedtime in my country

 

Too quick? You wanted to see some screaming then?- I thought it was good but they should've made it more tragic- Ima-Gun-Di (his name spoiled it) was not imnteresting nor important character- his death would've been much interesting if he would've had further adventures before.... now he was just guy who was created to die because they needed to kill of a goodguy....

 

He's decomposing in my locker.

 

Have you tried him out for calimari, yet?

 

Allow me to begin by saying that I like Kit Fisto as a character, particularly as portrayed on The Clone Wars, and that I am all for seeing him appear again in future episodes.

That said, I can't say I agree with the notion that, taken as a whole, Fisto has been particularly underused over the course of the show. It is known that the creators view the series as a means of telling many different stories from throughout the galaxy ("The scope of the war gives us the perfect vehicle for a weekly series, allowing us to look at how the conflict has affected the farthest reaches of the galaxy, including characters, creatures and races we only glimpsed in the feature films..." -Lucas. "We can... deal with characters we have never seen. There's a lot of material. It's a three-year period in the history of the 'Star Wars' Universe, and there are so many stories to tell. The longer it goes, the more chance we get to tell fascinating stories in that galaxy." -Filoni.), and this means that (among other things) many characters can be expected to come and go.

Also consider the exmple that it's taken until season three just to glimpse the likes of Shaak-Ti and the expected appearance of Qunlan Vos (two Jedi as equally beloved by the fan base as Kit Fisto), and you get an idea of what the makers are up against. Just drawing from the characters and events already known to have played significant roles in the Clone Wars, there is much this series still has to acknowledge - to say nothing of any newly developed characters and events we can expect to see.

Keeping in mind the fact that in the Star Wars Saga, Kit Fisto (again, someone I enjoy) is not the 'A-level' character of an Obi-Wan Kenobi or Anakin Skywalker, a Luke Skywalker or Darth Vader, nor a 'B-level' character the likes of Chewbacca, Lando or the droids, I don't think one should realistically expect to see Kit appear much more than he has (ie. here and there throughout, with the occasional starring role). In Fisto's defense, he started as just one of many Jedi shown fighting at the Battle of Geonosis, but thanks in large part to an intriguing design (and a cool cameo), he became popular with fans and has since been fleshed-out into a more fully-realized character. This makes him one of a few characters in Star Wars lore to do so, and I think it speaks to his character's potential.

To reiterate, I'm happy to see Kit when he appears, but I really don't think of him as any more underused than any other character of his standing. I imagine some may be clouded by their love of a character into finding said absence to be willful, even malignant, but I just can't support that at all. That said, to the Fisto fans out there, let me say that I can empathise, as I have characters I'd like to see more of, too. Heck, in that regard, I'd bet that we're all the same.

 

The point is that we want this show to more frequently use characters of his standing.

 

I understand, and I'm not against the dea. I just think that there is an awful lot they (the producers) are trying to do with the series, and I'm not sure that it's likely (given that, very generally spaking, with scree time at such a premium, more Kit means less somebody else). It's the curse of the C-level character, I suppose.

 

@TreborSabreon: That was beuatiful man! And you're totally right. The problem here, however, is that Filoni has broken some of the things he has said about the show and Kit Fisto as well.

Filoni said that the minor Jedi would be fleshed out as more major characters in the show. Kit's personality has only been partially fleshed as none of his backstory has been explored and the Visual Guides have instead been using Comic Book references. They shouldn't need to do that.

Filoni also said Ventress would be in Season 2. That didn't happen.
Filoni said that Rex would be in Alpha's place as a supporting character because of the whole A-squad, R-squad thing. That's not right considering that R-squad was never a name of mention.

The reasons above and others are my reasons as to why the show is at a steep slope at all.

93: Not the response I was looking for but okay...