A/V SOLO: A Star Wars Story (untagged spoilers allowed)

Numidian Prime? It's been all but officially confirmed.

 

eh, I'm just convinced Nest and her crew meet a bad end because Two-Tubes is rolling deep with Saw next time we see him (he's a part of the Cloudriders) and Saw's crew makes the Cloudriders seem downright fluffy. Admittedly, there's many other reasons Two-Tubes could be with Saw but I just go to "They dead except for Two-Tubes"

 

I still am not even aware of anything saying that guy was Two Tubes instead of just another member of the same species.

 

So, since Tognaths are my favorite species, here's a massive nerd-out post over the one seen in Solo:

The "Two Tubes Twins" are the Tognaths seen in Rogue One; both mercenaries, Edrio is a pilot and Benthic is a marksman, according to Rogue One: The Ultimate Visual Guide.

The Tognath seen in Solo is simply called "Tubes" in Solo: The Official Guide; he is also described as a marksman, like Benthic, and much of Benthic's Rogue One costume was reused (the monocular scope, the long coat and tunic, the belt buckle and pouch, the blaster rifle, etc.) with a few additions (e.g., the chrome helmet, the hood/wrap, and the necklace of teeth/claws).

Spoiler: Images of costumes, for reference

Tubes with chrome helmet and hood/wrap:


Tubes sans chrome helmet and hood/wrap:


Benthic (left) and Edrio (right):

Now... a few tweets from Jon Kasdan:

#RogueOne fan too. Hence critical appearance by Edrio "Two Tubes" who had dialogue which was ultimately cut. Wanted to establish the connection between Enfys and Saw, and the slowly developing rebellion across the galaxy. (link)​

When someone asked "Um, Jon, are you sure he was Edrio? Because Solo's Tognath looks like Benthic, not Edrio" -- and again, he sure does! -- Jon replied:

"I REQUESTED Edrio but MAY have actually gotten Benthic. You never can tell with those Tognath eggmates, and since nobody on our crew SPOKE Tognath we couldn't ask 'im... He's probably on Twitter though and will read this and clarify." (link)​

Okay, so with all this laid out: is Tubes a new Tognath character or one of the Two Tubes Twins? Well, do you care more about what a reference book states, what a creator intended, or what you can plainly see with your eyes? Typical Star Wars canon conundrum.

Personally, I don't care. I'm just happy to see a Tognath, any Tognath. And I find both "Tubes is one of the Twins (but which?)" and "Tubes is a different Tognath" equally plausible. But hey, this thread is slow at the moment and I clearly love talking about these guys (and spurring others into talking about them, too), sooo *slams post button*

Oh, one last thing... this inked panel from the upcoming Beckett one-shot shows a Tognath in a mash-up of Benthic's (long cloak) and Edrio's (chest control box) costumes.

 

It seems like Tubes is one of the twins, and is probably Edrio.

 

He's the third Summers brother.

 

Yep, its a different and so far still unidentified new planet.

Which begs the question, how did Han and Chewie get off Savareen? Did Enfys gave them a ride?

 

Seems logical.

 

I figure there's a nearby spaceport on Savareen, considering that Beckett seemed to have an intention for where he was walking with Chewie.

 

Skipped a bunch since I haven't checked this thread in a while, but hopefully this hasn't been covered.
I'm rereading Aftermath, and came across Han thinking back to meeting Chewie.
He recalls him as "shackled, half-starved and half-mad, his fur matted". Kind of neat how well that lines up with what we saw in Solo.

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Interesting, especially given stuff like the minor subplot about Hux's mother being something that actually came out of TLJ. Or even the mention of fathiers. It seems like Wendig was given advance information on specific details from not just TFA, but Solo and TLJ also (I forget if anything from Rogue One was also in the first two books).

It seems strange when compared to Claudia Gray's work, where she's said that when she wrote Lost Stars she didn't even originally include Jakku at the end until it was suggested to her after her first draft, or that she wrote the first draft of Bloodline pre-TFA with the only advance knowledge given to her being the identity of Kylo Ren. Though I guess there was the little nod to Rogue One with Saw, as well.

 

Wow. I didn’t even remotely remember that from the book. Then again. It was Aftermath.......

 

Maybe good chunk of the scrips for Solo and TLJ were finalized while the book was being written compared to the others ????

 

Solo was one of Lucas's ideas, so it's been in some form of development since 2012. As for Bloodline, Rian suggested a few things specifically, such as the Napkin Bombing plot. Also, these little references are usually added in by the editors/Story Group, rather than the writers themselves; I can't remember where I read it, but one of the editors spoke about how manuscripts usually come in with a lot of placeholders for ship names, references, etc, because they know those will get filled in by the continuity folks who know more about what references would best fit.

 

Solo has been in development since 2012, but I think most of the actual final script was written much later - I get the sense that Kasdan Sr. did not actually do a lot of the actual scriptwriting himself (as opposed to the general concepts and plot and characters and all that, which he certainly was central to).

I don't have the Art of TLJ book on hand at the moment so I don't know when the script was finished for it, but compared to the other Disney era movies its writing had the most straightforward development; only one person involved, and he knew from the start pretty much everything he wanted to tell, with only minor changes to a few sequences (the opening battle and Canto Bight) significantly changing from the first to final drafts of the script.

I do wish that Johnson had suggested Holdo appear in Bloodline. I think having more time with her prior to TLJ would have helped with some of the responses to her from the more hardcore fan critics. Plus I think it just would be better overall to have seen her for longer prior to her big sacrifice. Pretty much the one ST character I think would have benefited from having more pre-movie info on.

 

The whole tired "childhood love interest" really fell flat to me. I was hoping that this movie would move away from the movie cliches that seeped through 7 and 8, but it didn't.

I'm more interested in who made the call and how it happened that "Han frees Chewie because he loves Chewie and hates slavery" be erased in favor of "Han frees Chewie so that he can live long enough to see Qi'ra who he really loves". The original story with Chewie goes way before AC Crispin. My Super Star Wars Strategy Guide in 1992 (before AC Crispin's books) said that Han was kicked out of the Imperial military specifically for freeing Chewie, and I can only imagine this came from Lucas' notes himself.

I just wasn't feeling that Chewie relationship at all without that key element. I would have liked to see perhaps the characters of Beckett and Qi'ra combined. Han frees Chewie because he is at the core a decent person, but he and Chewie fail in their escape and get sent to the spice mines of Kessel.

While there, Qi'ra and her gang which includes Lando steal spice from Kessel and conveniently pick up Chewie and Han. Qi'ra and Han get involved, with her acting as both mentor and romance interest, while the tension is whether Han will ditch Chewie entirely to live a criminal life with Qi'ra. Further tension arises in that Han begins to regret being "heroic" and freeing Chewie because all it did was cause him trouble, while a life of crime with Qi'ra gave him freedom.

At the end, Qi'ra double crosses Han and tries to kill him to take all the money for herself and Lando, who she's also been seeing on the side. Lando, who has come to see Han as a friend, realizes this is too sleazy even for him and refuses to play along in the betrayal of Han. Han shoots down Qi'ra, reaffirms that the only person he trusts is Chewie and he'll never get involved with any woman again and splits the money 50/50 with Lando due to the latter's siding with Han at the last minute. When Lando tries to gamble for 100% of the money in a game of sabacc with Han, all this does is cost him the Falcon and Han and Chewie fly off into the sunset.

In a post credits scene, Maul would come across Qi'ra's grave and survey the damage to his criminal operation, and vow revenge on the people responsible.

 

The point of Holdo and Poe's arc is that we don't know her beforehand; we're meeting her through Poe's eyes, and are meant to be unsure how to take her. If we knew her beforehand (or if, as some suggest, Ackbar had been in her role), we'd know from the outset that Poe should trust her. The strength of TLJ is that it uses characters like Holdo and Rose (and even Luke and Kylo) as foils for the three main characters; Poe's story is more important than Holdo's, so how she's introduced and used has to be in service to that story.

 

Holdo is basically Edward Jellico and Poe is Riker if you know your Star Trek, except even Riker didn't go so far as to do full fledged mutiny.

 

Except, we as readers do know her. We know she was childhood friends with Leia and she worked with Leia in the Rebellion. Even the movie itself positions her as a ranking member of the Resistance and a war hero. Having her appear in Bloodline would not have really given anything away that the Leia book or the early TLJ scenes didn't.

 

Per this article, https://www.cinemablend.com/news/24...atooine-was-part-of-an-upcoming-spin-off-film , and this quote: "We were just starting our work on another Star Wars spin-off and yeah. We were actually just making our mark on Tatooine -- which would have been interesting and some other new galaxies. So hopefully, if that comes back, we'll get the chance to be able to do that further." by Star Wars designer Neil Lamont, we now know that a Tatooine spinoff film was canceled recently.

Although the article doesn't outright blame Solo's box office performance, we can connect the dots. Also, while it's not said what this Tatooine film would have been, the Kenobi film is a fairly good guess.

 

I assume when he says “new galaxies” he misspoke and meant to say “new planets”.

 

What really upsets me is how in the news their was an article saying that Solo should’ve been the Obi-Wan Kenobi spin-off. I don’t agree. Solo was a fantastic movie. It made me fall in love with Star Wars all over again and I personally find Han to be a more versatile character than Obi-Wan. Also it’s very hard to do anything with Kenobi because he’s supposed to be lying low on Tatooine. He could have an adventure on-world like JJM’s fantastic novel Kenobi but for a movie- that’s hard.

 

Those three sentences tell us precious little without a lot of accompanying speculation. Something involving Tatooine was planned for a future film, and now is not. Even saying it's because a movie was cancelled requires reading more into the quote than what it actually says. It would have been nice of the writer to give us the full interview, rather than the little out-of-context snippet he's using to suggest something Lamont may not have actually been saying.

 

The most frustrating thing about this is it almost feels like deliberate disinformation on the part of CinemaBlend, since they themselves reported just a month ago about a "canceled Mos Eisley movie", but now they have no idea what this could be talking about. Which is it?

I wish they'd just shut up.

 

I will never understand the want for a Kenobi movie set during his exile during the Dark Times. There is nothing there that interests me, and I love Obi-Wan. I'd rather get a young Obi movie with him and Satine, or him and Qui-Gon.