'SPOILERS' Questions regarding ROTS for those that saw yesterday 'SPOILERS'

Its very unlikely that Palpatine or Vader knew of the existense of the twins, otherwise they would've been killed. Its possible Vader visited Padme's grave on Naboo, but of course he'd see & feel nothing so he would still assume that his child (remember he did not know Padme was having twins) had died to.

After the destruction of the Death Star Vader found out that someone called Skywalker had done it. He then might have begun to suspect something, and began a desperate search to find Luke to see if indeed he had Jedi ability and was his son. Then a transmission from the Emperor confirmed it.

 

Also, Vader is a little coy in his conversation with the Emperor in ESB. It is clear from the crawl that he knows about his son but acts innocent when the Emperor tells him.

It seems that both Palpatine and Vader want to make Luke their apprentice. Vader already has his eye on the top job at the end of ROTS and comes right out asks Luke to join him at the end of ESB. He seems to have given this up by the time of ROTJ though and is content to let Luke become Sidious' apprentice.

Always two there are, etc.

 

Very good movie... allthough i worked myself up to thinking it was the dogs bollocks when it was more like the dog and one testicle. (pardon the analogy )

Alot felt like it was cut, and we went right from the middle of the Clone Wars to when Yoda and Ben go into hiding.. thats alot of story to cover in just over 2 hours. But considering this, it is an awesome movie.

I was quite lucky i must say, i got tickets on A row, which is like a few metres from the screen.. i was like, this is gonna ruin the movie completely .
Luckly the cinema realised it was so packed and moved a load of us at the front to a seperate screen and we got cool seats, so thankfull for that one .

I really enjoyed Ewan and S. Jackson's performances, Mace in my opinion is still the coolest Jedi .

I have a theory that involves Destiny, the word that seems to be left out a bit in the PT. Anakin basically turns to the dark side because he wants to save padme, but by doing so he actually kills her.
So the vision of the future, was his destiny, and he fell right into that trap.

The point of this story is that love and attatchment go hand in hand with loss and overall suffering.. Anakin by loving Padme not only lead to his downfall, but he was so blinded he did not see that he was falling right into the trap of the Dark Side.

He tried to change his destiny, but instead fulfilled it, and padme died.


As for Palpatine, you cant really expect honesty from a Sith Lord, he lied and plotted and used the situation to his advantage. Anakin was a bonus. But the prophecy was about the one who brings balance to the force. He does this in part throughout the film, but this still refers to the end of ROTJ when he kills the Emperor. Something i think he wanted to do from the start but lost his vision because of his love and remorse over Padme. Only Luke, the bond between Anakin and Padme brought this back to him at the end of ROTJ. The cloud of the dark side was lifted

Anyway, that is all for now

Regards

 

It seems that both Palpatine and Vader want to make Luke their apprentice. Vader already has his eye on the top job at the end of ROTS and comes right out asks Luke to join him at the end of ESB. He seems to have given this up by the time of ROTJ though and is content to let Luke become Sidious' apprentice
Well, I doubt Vader would just let Luke be the Emperor's apprentice. Sith are only allowed one apprentice, which means Vader would most likely be killed. He had attempted to get Luke to join him and get him to kill Palpatine so he could rule the Empire, but that didn't work. I think Vader was allowing Luke to visit the Emperor to see how he reacted to it. If he had turned to the dark side Vader would've had a greater hold on him since he is Luke's father.

Either that or the Emperor was going to get Vader another apprentice (possibly Mara Jade) and then take Luke as his own

 

Maybe Vader in Jedi was under the same mistaken idea that Dooku had in Sith?

For those of you who haven't read the book and don't want to know look away now.............













Basically Dooku thought the whole battle was a deception. The plan was for Dooku to kill Kenobi then allow Skywalker to beat him using his rage and breaking through the barriers of his Jedi training by taping the dark side. Palpatine would then stop the fight and Anakin would become a Sith. Anakin was to become a hero for capturing Dooku and rescuing Palpatine with Obi-Wan's death adding tragedy to the drama. People would then listen as he denounced the Senate as corrupt and delaying the war effort then accused the Jedi of doing the same and bring in a new Force strong Sith Army. Anakin would be the General of the Army and Sidious would rule the new Empire with Dooku as his second in command. Dooku only realised Sidious had a different plan when he told Anakin to kill him!

Maybe Vader thought Palpatine was going to end the rule of 2 and use Luke to start a Sith Army like Dooku did?

 

Pretty interesting. That's why during the fight Dooku mentioned to Anakin that he was sensing his anger and he was smiling about it.

A thing that bothered me is that there is no mention to Sifo Dyas in the movie. I mean we know Dooku erased the archives about Kamino and ordered the clones and hired Jango under the name Tyrannus but how did he use the name of Sifo Dyas??

And what is the correct name version of Palpatine's master, Darth Plagis or Plagueis?

 

Ok easy bit first - Palpatine's master was Darth Plagueis (and one day I'll be able to spell that without looking in the comic!)

The Sifo-Dyas thing was covered in Labyrinth of Evil. He was a Jedi and a good friend of Dooku's who sensed the coming darkness and war and therefore ordered the Clone Army. As a final test for Dooku, Sidious ordered him to kill his friend but leave the army in place as they could make use of it in the future. So Dooku killed Sifo-Dyas, then hired Jango to be the clone template. He then went to the Temple, erased Kamino from the archives and left the Jedi Order.

 

i always thought the Emperor was planting the dreams for Anakin. Although, of course, does this mean he engineered the death of Anakins mother?

Glad someone has helped on why Padme still appeareed pregnant.

On a bands website I go, people are saying you can see the Millenium Falcon when Obi Wan and Anakin go back for the council meeting.

Also, was Boba Fett, well, Jeremy anyway, flying the ship with Yoda and Obi Wan?

 

On a bands website I go, people are saying you can see the Millenium Falcon when Obi Wan and Anakin go back for the council meeting.

That ain't the falcon. It's a freighter of the same class (the falcon is a super-souped-up version of it). I can't remember the name of the freighter class or of the ship you saw in the film... maybe a bigger nerd can help?

 

It is the falcon, im sure some one else here posted that its named in the making of book.

 

Corelellian(sp?) class i think

i am going to have to have a closer look next time,i was not expecting it. i am so out of touch

 

Corellian YT-1300 Modified Light Stock freighter, if i'm not mistaken.

 

Much as I liked the film, I think the ending needs tweaking.

Firstly, the "Frankenstein" nooooo! Vader scene.

Rather than change it, I think it should simply be taken out. It would have been far more dramatic to have ended the Vader episode with the shot of his first breath.

I don't think we needed to see a bit of Anakin while he was in the suit. To me Anakin died on Mustafar, when he turned on his wife, his mentor and the republic. "I hate you!" summed up the new vader.

This was the real birth of the Lord Of the sith. I think we should not have seen any more compasion until ROTJ.

Secondly, I would either put back the Qui Gon scene, or remove the reference to him completely. The way it is now shown is neither one or the other and seems rushed.

But I would leave the Padme death as it is. I know the "lost the will to live" bit is not popular, but I think people aren't ging GL credit.

He created a brilliant paradox.

Ani sees the future, and sees she will die. Yoda warns him not to try and alter the future. He makes decisions based on the intent to change the future, only to find out those very decisions cause the death.

Perfect.

The change to the dark side killed her. Much better than it being a simple birth complication.

Or....he could have made Jar Jar responsible for the delivery of the kids, and he accidently stabs Padme!

"Missa clumsy!"

 

I think the whole film lacked a certain star wars 'feel'. And the droids should not speak!!!!!

 

Well, 3PO shouldn't, but Leave R2 alone

 

I thought it was "Star Wars feel" all the way through!

And I agree with Si_Snootles that Padme "losing the will to live" wasn't that bad. It may have weakened her character, but it made more sense than a birth complication. After all, in a galaxy with that advanced a technology, how would someone die from a complication, especially with all those medical droids around?