Star Defenders . . . let's take a peek

Vector Prime says the Star Defender Viscount was the first of these new heavier Star Cruisers.

But then Hero's Trial started calling them Viscount-class Star Defenders.

And yet Jedi Eclipse then called them Strident-class Star Defenders.

Obviously, there has to be a mistake. But what is it? Were they just simply Star Defenders, but then Luceno's mistake gave them diferent names?

I think they're just plain Star Defenders without classes, the way Supers are similarly called Executor-class. And since Vector Prime was the first to have it, why would it be wrong? How about you?

 

I agree. Since vector prime said that the Star Defender was of Mon Calamari design, than thats the way it is. Besides, it makes sense that the Mon Cals would begin to produce larger warships. When the New Republic finally decided to keep any Super Star Destroyer it captured, the Mon Cals probably started designing their own variant of it. The Star Defender is probably one of the most powerful ships in the galaxy.

 

Why can't they just be a different type of Star Defender? Like there are different types of Star Destroyers.

Didn't they say the Strident Class was a Corellian design?

 

Yep... IIRC, I've heard it said that WotC's SotG tries to make them a co-designed class with different Mon Cal and Corellian names... I'd rather see the Strident-class ships as big Corellian ships (small SSDs, basically), in service with the Corellian Sector's own fleet rather than the NR, and the Viscount-class as a NR version built at Mon Cal, perhaps based on the Corellian design, but squidded out with bells, whistles and white paint...

- The Imperial Ewok

 

WOTC SotG has no mention of the Viscount/Strident Star Defenders. Also I think even the NJO Sourcebook, which had plenty of info on the Vong ships had no stats or even mention of the Star Defenders. :\

 

I think you're thinking of SWRPGNetwork, an independent RPG site (see: unofficial fan speculation) that postulates a 6,250 meter Mon Cal hull design with CEC systems and weapons produced simultaneously at Mon Calamari and Corellia yards. Pretty interesting cover for the gaffe, and if WoTC adopts something close to its stats it would be an awesome warship, although still paling next to an SSD.

From text info, we can put some upper and lower size limits on the Viscount. VP states she's "almost twice the size of the Mediator," which doesn't give us anything definite since we don't know her size. However, if it's a follow-on to the Rebellion/early NR-era Star Cruisers, she's likely anywhere from 1200-1600 km in length. This would make Viscount at least 2000 meters long, although if you accept the idea that ROTJ's Home One was 3.2-3.8 kilometers in length it gives us a conservative upper length of 4000 meters.

 

The possibility of varying Star Defender classes aside . . . anyone think it was a typo mistake? Luceno just called them Viscount-class, the way you say Executor-class?

 

While entirely possible, I got the distinct impression that the Viscount-class and the Strident-class were separate designs (in a previous thread, I also accidentally stated that the Corellian star defender type was Sentinel-class, oops!), and that the Stridents were naitive Corellian warships.

However, that statement about the Viscount-class being "almost twice the size" of a Mediator means that they're a heck of a lot smaller than I originally thought, as we know from Hero's Trial that a Mediator-class battlecruiser is noticably smaller than an ISD. If we estimate that they're 1,000-1,200 meters long, and a Viscount is *almost* twice as large, that only puts them in the 2,000-2,400 meters. Interesting.

 

They shouldn't have mentioned multiple Star Defender classes. It's kinda redundant. The new Star Defender, pure and simple, would have been better.

 

oh sweet mother of god more confusion over capital ship classes. I CAN'T TAKE IT ANYMORE!

I think they're doing this on purpose. They see how we can carry such a thread for months with so many valid arguments on both sides, and now they're playing with us,

 

That's funny. I've said the same thing for SSDs, and yet I've done it myself.

But I still reckon a typo or two has led to new SD classes, jus to explain it.

 

I thought both the Viscount and the Strident-classes were Corellian, with the Mediator being the new Mon Cal design (probably the first one since the MC90).

Brett_Bass:
as we know from Hero's Trial that a Mediator-class battlecruiser is noticably smaller than an ISD.

I don't remember this.

 

The Viscount is said to be the largest ship built at Mon Cal, so if Home One was the largest at 3.8 km, then the Viscount is at least 3.81 km long, but I doubt it would be under 4 km in length.

I can't remember how the Solos talked about it when they saw it but for it to go to Coruscant it has to have sometime special about it.

 

Wraith Squadron called Home One an MC80 Star Cruiser.

I brought the Home One discussion up in a thread some months back. I argued that since that blob was whopping big, it was out of proportion to the other Star Cruisers in parade formation alongside. It couldn't be a regular MC80, but EGVV insists.

I think it's a mistake. That Home One is larger than a mere 1200m.

But it all depends how far away those other Star Cruisers are to it. They look close, but in reality they could be a klick or two apart for safety flying.

 

Home One was 1200m like any other cruiser. Now, I understand that at certain points in RoJ that it looks larger than most other Mon Cal Cruisers. Yet, I believe that the reason it looked so big in certain scences is because when the movie was made, no one had any idea of the size of most large ships. They just put them into scenes together. As a result, the ships are not always to scale. The whole problem behind the size of Home One started on Technical Commentaries. Its page on Warships of the Mon Calamari is full of errors. The writer of that page has way to much time on his or her hands. The fact is, if the sourcebooks and novels of the EU say Home One was only 1200 m, than that is the way it is. (End Rant)

 

Eh. What Excellence said.

 

Saxton aside, I'd always thought that the Home One was larger than a normal MC80--but I guess if the Essential Guide to Vehicles and Vessels says otherwise...

Oh, and the Mediator-class is said to be shorter than the Erinnic, which is an ISD. Actually, I think the word was "smaller", if that matters.

 

Saxton's main Home One calculations come from the Shuttle Tyderium scenes and the fact the shuttle has to be able to fit within and exit the starboard hangar. If Home One were a mere 1200 meters the shuttle would not fit.
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In any case EGVV never actually called Home One an MC80, it just had a paragraph on Home One in the Mon Cal Cruiser description, then went on in the next paragraph to mention the standard MC80's capabilities.

 

Even though that could be off, I always thought the Home One was bigger than a standard MC80.

 

Brett_Bass:
Oh, and the Mediator-class is said to be shorter than the Erinnic, which is an ISD. Actually, I think the word was "smaller", if that matters.

I don't remember this; where was it?

Oh, and if you're thinking of the Battle of Ord Mantell as evidence, please see my post here.

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And as for the [i]Home One[/i], it's supposed to be larger than the MC80 (which is 1 200 m long). I think it says so in the EGVV, but I don't have it with me so I can't say for sure.

 

Duly noted. As has been established in the NR Capital Ships thread, there is no specific data given on the size of the Meds. I misremembered the Battle of Ord Mantel. My bad. All mine.

 

That's all right.
By the way, I was under the impression that Nom Anor's little terrorist attack on the Mediator in orbit around Osarian and Rhammamool cripplied it but didn't wreck it beyond repair outright. That might give us an idea of the size of Mediator, if it can stand up to having an A-wing sized bomb explode in its hangar.

 

Maybe...

But we're moderately sure that the Mediator-class is a bare minimum of 1,600 meters long. My guess is that they're longer but slimmer (i.e. faster) than an ISD. And I should hope that most vessels greater in size than a medium cruiser would be able to take a detonation of that size.

 

Well, Kir Kanos set a Scimitar Assault-Bomber to self-destruct inside the hangar of an ISD in CrimsonEmpire, thus destroying the entire ship.

And since space is a vacuum, there should be no concerns about the aerodynamics of ships.

 

No, but if there's less mass to drag around, it'll accelerate faster.

Actually, if I recall correctly, Anor's bomb was a fission bomb, meaning at least a low-grade nuke of a few kilotons. Since the bomb was in the hangar when it blew, that would imply that Mediator was a pretty big, tough ship to survive that.