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Books STAR WARS: A NEW DAWN (September 2014)

Discussion in 'Literature' started by CooperTFN, Apr 25, 2014.

  1. pepoluan

    pepoluan Jedi Knight star 2

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    Possible, but in that episode, a special focus seemed to be given to that girl at least three times: Once when she ran to Cham and he picked her up, once just before Cham started the teleconf call with Senator Taa, and once at the end.

    It's as if the makers want us to pay particular attention to this child.

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  2. Ahsoka's Tano

    Ahsoka's Tano Force Ghost star 7

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    I finished the novel this weekend, I'll have to be completely honest. I didn't think it was as good as many in here have suggested. It was very slow to begin with; though it did pick up towards the middle chapters. The only reason I wanted read it in the first place was to learn more about Hera's background; and it was very brief on the subject. Kanon's background was discussed on frequent occasion, and he's already got a full comic series.
     
  3. Dante1120

    Dante1120 Jedi Grand Master star 3

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    The comic series was announced after the book was released, for what it's worth. I wouldn't hold that against the novel.
     
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  4. SilentGuy66

    SilentGuy66 Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    I think LF are saving Hera's backstory for rebels
     
  5. Jedi Ben

    Jedi Ben Chosen One star 10

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    Hera was too busy being bad-ass in AND to bother telling you her backstory.

    Instead it was: I'm here, I'm cool, deal with it.
     
  6. SWpants

    SWpants Force Ghost star 5

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    Unfortunately, that was the initial premise but it never occurred. I hope to actually see it!
     
  7. Gorefiend

    Gorefiend Chosen One star 5

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    You are talking like the show is already dead ;) we are getting season 2 soon and I am pretty sure we will get touches of Heras background there.
     
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  8. PCCViking

    PCCViking 7x Hangman winner star 10 VIP - Game Winner

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    Yeah, the coolest characters don't need a backstory. Like the Joker from Dark Knight...wait, bad example. :p
     
  9. Jedi Ben

    Jedi Ben Chosen One star 10

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    To be honest PCCV, I've never seen the need for an immediate backstory if the character is good enough to be able to convey what they're about to the audience without it. I'd say Hera qualifies in this respect.
     
  10. Ahsoka's Tano

    Ahsoka's Tano Force Ghost star 7

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    I hope you're right. I like Hera.

    If nothing else, they could at least give a little more to her upbringing; being Cham Syndulla's daughter is an interesting story in it of itself.
     
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  11. Jedi Ben

    Jedi Ben Chosen One star 10

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    It is, but is it a story A New Dawn should have had to tell given everything else it had to do?

    One of the great things about a franchise, when it's well-run, is what one story can't do another gets to and it all links up neatly. Which is why I like what Lords of the Sith does, it lets the reader who has read AND notice the little connections.
     
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  12. TheyMightBeGeeks

    TheyMightBeGeeks Jedi Padawan star 2

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    Well that's like saying I didn't like Jurassic World because the only reason I watched it in the first place was to learn more about Alan Grant's background. That was never promised or implied. I've always summarized it as the story of how Kanan and Hera first meet. That's it and AND delivers on that.
     
  13. SilentGuy66

    SilentGuy66 Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    We were lucky we got Kanan's origin, they weren't going to spoil us with hera's too
     
  14. Ahsoka's Tano

    Ahsoka's Tano Force Ghost star 7

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    I'll take it for what it's worth then. I didn't buy the book (only borrowed it from my local library). So I'm not in the authority to complain about it. I'm hoping to do the same with "Dark Disciple"; yet my library has been giving me issues trying to get the book back on the shelves as some moron has it overdue.
     
  15. The Positive Fan

    The Positive Fan Force Ghost star 4

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  16. Gorefiend

    Gorefiend Chosen One star 5

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    More Hera, more JJM, more Sloane, more Jason Fry! This is win on so many fronts!
     
  17. Huttslime

    Huttslime Jedi Padawan star 2

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    I'm still on the fence on checking this out..
     
  18. Jedi Ben

    Jedi Ben Chosen One star 10

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    Why?
     
  19. TheyMightBeGeeks

    TheyMightBeGeeks Jedi Padawan star 2

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    I'll definitely read them somehow but I'm also not buying a bind-up of two books I already own just for 3 short stories, even if they are longer than Insider stories. Hopefully they have an anthology of short stories one day.
     
  20. Huttslime

    Huttslime Jedi Padawan star 2

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    Personal reasons about not liking any of the characters. Other than seeing how Hera's/Kanan's relationship started off before Rebes, I don't see much of a reason to check the book out for me at least.
     
  21. Jedi Ben

    Jedi Ben Chosen One star 10

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    Ah, missed that you were referring to the 3 short stories.
     
  22. Charlemagne19

    Charlemagne19 Chosen One star 8

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    http://unitedfederationofcharles.blogspot.com/2015/12/star-wars-new-dawn-review.html

    I’m a big fan of Star Wars: Rebels despite it being aimed at an age range younger than the original Star Wars. It’s a happy, peppy, and fun series which I find immensely entertaining. I’m also a fan of John Jackson Miller’s work on Knights of the Old Republic. I wasn’t quite as much of a fan of his work with Knight Errant but I still enjoyed all the world-building he did and I’m sorry we never got to follow that up to its conclusion. So, I was very excited about the possibility of a novel following the adventures of the two adult main characters of the Rebels series in a more serious novel.

    So, what did I think?

    Eh, it’s okay.

    The premise of the book is Kanan, surviving padawan of the Jedi Order, has become nothing more than a lonesome drifter who currently hauls ore in the butt end of the galaxy. When the Emperor’s efficiency expert, Count Vividan, comes to his world of Gorse and starts upending things—he decides it’s probably a good idea to get out of town. This plan is derailed by Twilek resistance fighter Hera Syndulla, who has come to Gorse in order to see if there’s some mischief to be made for the Empire. With a half-mad Clone Wars veteran predicting the planet is going to explode, the pair have to figure out how to stop Count Vidian and his plan to make trillions out of millions through human suffering.

    The book occupies a weird place for me because it goes to elaborate lengths to make Gorse feel like a “real” place. People are primarily concerned with their jobs, their position, and ambivalent to politics. They all fit into comfortable real-life archetypes of “conspiracy theorist veteran”, “security guard”, and “blue collar worker” without much difficulty.Then you introduce Count Vidian who is a cyborg with a pasted-on human face who wears nothing but black and cackles as he pushes a woman into an acid bath in front of her husband for questioning his orders. There’s some serious dissonance between the realism and comic book melodrama here.

    I tend to think of Star Wars existing in a kind of hyper-stylized reality where everything is bigger, more grandiose, and more operatic. Count Vidian’s plan to blow up the planet in order to harvest all of its ore at once, which only happens because of Skelly making it possible, is suitably crazy and over-the-top but clashes with the realism which exists everywhere else. It’s like if the Death Star was hovering right outside Tatooine and instead of the Rebel Alliance it’s Biggs, Tank, and Luke out to blow it up.

    Don’t get me wrong, I enjoyed this book. I think it’s far better than the majority of the Legends universe and we get a bunch of insight into both Rebels protagonists. They’re recognizably the same ones from the show but they are allowed to be far more “adult” in both action as well as deed. I also appreciate the increased diversity in the book as we see a lot more female Imperials and a sense of a wider, more interesting universe than the somewhat 70s-esque one of previous stories.

    I give credit to the book for the handling of Kanan who is a character at a transitional portion of his life. He's trying to settle into something resembling a normal life but can't quite make the jump from Jedi to "ordinary Muggle in the galaxy." He's still too much of a rogue and do-gooder to do so and it always leaves him on the run. We get to find him make the start of his change to the heroic rebel in the television series here even as we understand why it'll be a bitter pill for him to swallow when he finally joins the Alliance. Hera doesn't get the same level of development but I still got the impression of a strong and intelligent character out to make things better for the people of the galaxy but cynical enough to know that's not going to be easy.

    I give credit to the book for managing to maintain a witty and well-paced storyline throughout. The world-building for the star system is well-done and you really get to know the planet Gorse well before everything goes to hell. It reminds me of the planet Goroth from Goroth: Slave of the Empire, a West End Games Star Wars the RPG supplement about an Imperial mining world which your heroes have to liberate.

    In conclusion, this isn’t my favorite Star Wars novel but it’s a good one. If you like the Rebels cartoon then you’re probably going to like this despite their differences.

    7.5/10
     
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  23. The2ndQuest

    The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    "There are truths, and there are legends touch with truth, and all can teach you something." -Obi-Wan Kenobi

    Finally read this back at the end of January. Had originally hoped to do so back before TFA came out, but those plans didn't work out, obviously. Turns out, that timing worked out well- ROS had come out and, well, did what it did and kinda left me not enjoying Star Wars the more and more I dwelled upon that movie. After a few weeks away I was finally able to return to my NU reading project, having mostly finished the post-ROTJ era and now circling back to the inter-trilogy era. And having a JJM book to kick off this phase was really what was needed to cleanse the pallet and reignite my interest. His writing style has always been very grabbing in that regards.

    The "origin story" for Hera, Kanan and Sloane here does a good job of sort of introducing the post-Clone Wars, established-Empire era, as well as a despicable new villain. Not only do you get the underground fighter angle you'd expect from a Rebels prequel, but it also manages to present plausible, potentially horrific destruction on a planetary (or, at least, lunar) scale WITHOUT BLOWING IT UP WITH A SUPERLASER. And the Imperial curiosity over such large scale destruction further contextualizes the willingness of people to work towards such goals (and, ultimately the Death Star itself): "It's almost worth doing just to see what would happen."

    It also introduces the notion of the Empire being in a phase of extreme resource acquisition for not only the Imperial fleet but also the materials obviously needing to be funneled towards the Death Star's construction. Something that would turn out to be one of the most unifying plot threads across all of the books in this era and would run through Catalyst, Rebel Rising, Thrawn & Rogue One, just to name a few.

    There's also some nice bookending elements to Kanan & Hera's relationship here, as Kanan is first drawn to her based only on her voice- while, late on in Rebels, he's blinded and is left only being able to hear her voice. And, somewhat fitting into that idea is Hera's comment to Zaluna that "...seeing and doing nothing is not the worst thing. The worst thing is to see and not to care.". Kanan, in a way, has a character arc that spans that entire spectrum. He sees and doesn't care, then sees and does nothing, then sees and does something, then cannot see but still cares and does something.

    JJM getting in an exogorth reference shouldn't be surprising, but is still a fun little nod- whether intentionally nodding towards KOTOR on his part or simply as an unknowing extension of his area of SW knowledge from writing KOTOR: "It's like a space slug, whose only function is to stay alive. It's got to consume, and consume, and consume."

    And, again, I read this back in January, which was around the time Trump's impeachment was either gearing up or in full swing, so this quote also seemed timely: "Expecting the Empire to prosecute one of its own is... something we have a right to expect. Which is why people are having second thoughts about the Empire. It's not here to help you. It only exists to help itself."

    Good entry point to the era- it's not the top book of the era, as it does have some subplots that aren't quite as engaging 100% of the time as others, but it's still really quite a solid book (and, honestly, even for the parts where I wasn't as into it, I was still compelled to keep reading because JJM is just that good). And reading JJM's style here made certain to finally read Kenobi almost next (had to read Dark Disciple before TCW Season 7 came out first).

    9.0/10
     
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