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Star Wars Episode 3 Deleted Scenes

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  1. lazarus7

    lazarus7 Jedi Youngling star 1

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    The other downside of taking out that Obi-Wan/Padme scene, the one where Palpatine tells Anakin Obi-Wan is being influenced by a "female Senator", and the one where Anakin confronts Padme about Obi-Wan's visit is that you lose what is a very nice homage to Shakespeare's Othello. I know this was something talked about a long time ago, but it works really well. In the play you had Iago putting all these ideas in Othello's head about his wife until the point where he thinks she is being unfaithful, and he eventually kills here.

    It's a shame that Lucas went through the trouble to put this into the story, only to lose it later. It shows how jealousy, especially when introduced by a dangerous manipulator, can lead to the emotional state that Anakin finds himself in, and how it causes him to make fatal choices.

    Also, where is this scene with Mace, Yoda, and Obi-Wan discussing the Sith in Yoda's quarters? Apparently it comes after the crash landing and was labelled scene 56 but I'm not finding it on this illustrated screenplay I DL'ed.
     
  2. Lord Bane

    Lord Bane Manager Emeritus star 5 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    You still get Shaak-ti taking it in the back, just not by Grievous. Personally, Anakin's treachery means more than Grievous'...well, normal hatred.
     
  3. Darphus_Mon

    Darphus_Mon Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Laz - Had to respond. How about the old "occular proof"? Anakin "sees" Mace (the moor?) threatening Palps and that convinves him that Palps is right! I think it's genius and good storytelling...Although I think people would get upset comparing Mace to a hanky.

    Doesn't anyone notice the "Seeing is believing" theme in ROTS (i.e. exhibit A as I just mentioned, exhibit B - Obi Wan needing to "see" Anakin killing younglings on the temple surveillance.)

    sorry, you guys are bringing out the English major in me...
     
  4. limsunno

    limsunno Jedi Youngling star 1

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    56
    68-69
    are big mistake to be cut IMO they take the story on another level
    also the Mace saying he is going to confront Palpatine i am dubious about
     
  5. General_Grievous1138

    General_Grievous1138 Jedi Youngling star 2

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    These should not have been cut

    6, 7, 8-14, 25, 30, 32, 37-41: FedCruiser scenes cut (Grievous killing Shaak Ti, the Jedi using their lightsabers to escape GG, underwater swim, climb through shaft, many of R2's hangar gags, many Palpatine cliffhangers)

    48: Mace greets Palpatine and the Jedi right after the crash-landing

    56: Yoda, Obi-Wan and Mace discuss the Dark Side in Yoda's quarters

    60: Bail and fellow Senators speak about the Senate

    68-69: Obi-Wan tells Padme of his worries about Anakin and that he nows they're in love

    71: Meeting with Organa, Mon Mothma and Padme

    73: Anakin informs Palpatine that Obi-Wan soon will have Grievous' head

    74: Jar Jar greets Anakin at Senate

    75: Anakin confronts Padme

    76-77: Republic cruiser arrives at Utapau

    83: Obi-Wan chooses his lizard, Boga

    86: Mace talks to Yoda on Kashyyyk, telling him of his plans to arrest Palpatine

    88-89: Padme presents to Palpatine the Senators' petition

    93: Utapau windmill

    121: "crazy" Yoda and Chewbacca ambush an AT-ST

    176: Yoda lands on Dagobah

    (Thats all of them.)
     
  6. Lord Bane

    Lord Bane Manager Emeritus star 5 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    It'd be nice to have a 3 hour Ep3, but I don't trust Lucas to make it flow right. He needs to make edits to trim the greasy, white fat from his potential prime rib of a movie.
     
  7. Old Juan

    Old Juan Jedi Master star 4

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    "I really wish the first Obi-Wan/Padme scene was in, as well as the Padme/Palpatine Petition signing scene. But, I'm not the editor and I'm sure what airs in the theater is George's final vision of the movie, so I'll have to accept that.


    The first Obi-Wan/Padme scene, I thought, was crucial in terms of establishing what a friend Obi-Wan was to even disobey the code himself for Anakin, but also to set the tone for the jealousy the Obi-Wan/Padme relationship (which is virtually non-existant in the PT) that drove Anakin over the edge.

    Also, there aren't ANY Palpatine/Padme scenes now, and for a character that has been so instrumental in his rise to power, it would have been a great juxtaposition to see her now in opposition to the dictator she helped to create in TPM.

    I guess that's the way it goes. Padme's character development is now virtually non-existant"


    I agree with you on this 100 percent APJ. I just hope that Lucas was smart and combined the Obi-Wan finding out about her pregnancy with this one, one scene with double the power.
     
  8. VirulentShadow

    VirulentShadow Jedi Youngling

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    So what exactly is this "crazy Yoda" stuff about?
     
  9. Capt_Page

    Capt_Page Jedi Youngling star 1

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    I'm only upset with one scene being gone and that's the Obi-Wan/Padme talk scene. I'm not furious that it's out but it was just a great little intimate scene. That's all. The only other one I wish was in there but know that it's not really needed is the Anakin confronts Padme scene, only because we've seen the scene in the trailers. I would just cut the first part out when Anakin gets angry at her about Obi-Wan. The second portion of that scene, I feel is important but it's implied in other scenes.

    As others have said, I get the feeling that some of the scnes listed weren't so much deleted entirely as they were shortened or replaced by other scenes. These scenes in particular seem like they have important information to convey, both in terms of plot and character development.
     
  10. seasider

    seasider Jedi Grand Master star 1

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    I think everyone needs to take a breather on the deleted scene list. If movie fans saw the cut list of every movie out there before the movie came out, they'd be no pleasing them. Fans may disagree, but Lucas' strength has always been as an editor. If there was any mistake, it may have been leaving the editing to Ben Burtt on the prequels. Burtt is talented, but I think he was overtaxed wearing 2 hats in post production. He seems to have learned from that with his hiring of Roger Barton who has experience editing dramatic films as well as in-your-face action flicks.

    There will always be disagreements on what was or wasn't cut, but the bottom line is this George's vision and the movie will be the way he envisioned it and for now that's good enough for me. We still got the PG-13 thing going for us so he can't be that cut happy.
     
  11. Tion_Meddon

    Tion_Meddon Jedi Master star 4

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    6, 7, 8-14, 25, 30, 32, 37-41: FedCruiser scenes cut (Grievous killing Shaak Ti, the Jedi using their lightsabers to escape GG, underwater swim, climb through shaft, many of R2's hangar gags, many Palpatine cliffhangers)

    I liked some of those scenes, but I'm okay with the cut.

    48: Mace greets Palpatine and the Jedi right after the crash-landing

    Fine with me. But it IS just the Mace part, not including the Anakin-Obi-wan scene before it, right?

    56: Yoda, Obi-Wan and Mace discuss the Dark Side in Yoda's quarters

    Can someone post this part here, I don't remember it and I'm not on my computer with the script downloaded.

    60: Bail and fellow Senators speak about the Senate

    Fine with me.

    68-69: Obi-Wan tells Padme of his worries about Anakin and that he nows they're in love

    BIG MISTAKE cutting this storyline!

    71: Meeting with Organa, Mon Mothma and Padme

    I wish they just kept ONE scene where is showed Padme, Bail, and Mon hoping Palpatine would soon give up his powers. At least it's still implied.

    73: Anakin informs Palpatine that Obi-Wan soon will have Grievous' head
    74: Jar Jar greets Anakin at Senate.
    75: Anakin confronts Padme


    Part two of the BIG MISTAKE! I don't care about the Jar Jar part, but this scene has Anakin standing up for Obi-wan, and it continues the storyline of mistrust between Padme and Anakin, which I think should have stayed.

    76-77: Republic cruiser arrives at Utapau

    There goes the Obiwan-Cody friendship.

    83: Obi-Wan chooses his lizard, Boga

    NO mind trick in ROTS, then! :( Not important scene, and I udnerstand why it was cut, but it was a nice scene!

    86: Mace talks to Yoda on Kashyyyk, telling him of his plans to arrest Palpatine

    This is another scene that SHOULD have stayed in, but I agree why this one was cut. It would have been great surprise to the audience seeing the Jedi planning to take control of the Senate and would add to Anakin and the Jedi Order's fall!

    88-89: Padme presents to Palpatine the Senators' petition

    I thought this was going to be a good scene when I read about it, but after I read it I understand why it was cut. Not very important at all.

    93: Utapau windmill

    No biggie.

    121: "crazy" Yoda and Chewbacca ambush an AT-ST

    I liked it, but I understand.

    176: Yoda lands on Dagobah

    Same here.
     
  12. rhonderoo

    rhonderoo Former Head Admin star 9 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    DarthyMarkyMark posted on 4/5/05 7:38am
    Here is an official list of deleted scenes from the "Making Of Revenge of the Sith" book. All these scenes are now cut from the movie, and more may have been cut since:

    [i]6, 7, 8-14, 25, 30, 32, 37-41: FedCruiser scenes cut (Grievous killing Shaak Ti, the Jedi using their lightsabers to escape GG, underwater swim, climb through shaft, many of R2's hangar gags, many Palpatine cliffhangers)

    48: Mace greets Palpatine and the Jedi right after the crash-landing

    56: Yoda, Obi-Wan and Mace discuss the Dark Side in Yoda's quarters

    60: Bail and fellow Senators speak about the Senate

    68-69: Obi-Wan tells Padme of his worries about Anakin and that he nows they're in love

    71: Meeting with Organa, Mon Mothma and Padme

    73: Anakin informs Palpatine that Obi-Wan soon will have Grievous' head

    74: Jar Jar greets Anakin at Senate

    75: Anakin confronts Padme

    76-77: Republic cruiser arrives at Utapau

    83: Obi-Wan chooses his lizard, Boga

    86: Mace talks to Yoda on Kashyyyk, telling him of his plans to arrest Palpatine

    88-89: Padme presents to Palpatine the Senators' petition

    93: Utapau windmill

    121: "crazy" Yoda and Chewbacca ambush an AT-ST

    176: Yoda lands on Dagobah[/i]

    Scene 176 is the entire Dagobah scene, according to the screenplay. The reason GL gave in the book for Dagobah's cut is that there were too many endings to the movie. The focus needs to be on the main characters - Padme's funeral, Vader, Leia, and Obi-Wan and Luke.
    [hr][/blockquote]

    Where are these listed as Official? Scene 75 is not Anakin confronting Padme, 95 is. Scene 75 is him waking up from the dream, which I'm pretty sure isn't going to be cut. It's the whole reason for the turning in the beginning. 93 is Padme and Obi_wan. At least in the Illustrated Screenplay.
     
  13. GeneralGrievous1

    GeneralGrievous1 Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Lucas is a fool when it comes to deleting scenes. He is so intent on getting his just over 2 hours length he will cut out any scene.
     
  14. Clone-Commando_1198A

    Clone-Commando_1198A Jedi Youngling star 2

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    What exactly are the Utapau windmill and crazy Yoda scenes?
     
  15. rhonderoo

    rhonderoo Former Head Admin star 9 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    121 is Utapau windmill. It has (93) in parenthesis. :confused: Scene 152 is Crazy Yoda. Which scene number are you supposed to go by?

    EDIT:

    Nevermind, I see. Yeah, that whole scene 73 is just Anakin explaining his reasoning attempt for going to the dark side. [face_plain] Who needs characterization?
     
  16. PADMELUVA

    PADMELUVA Jedi Padawan star 4

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    "Lucas is a fool when it comes to deleting scenes. He is so intent on getting his just over 2 hours length he will cut out any scene."

    agreed.
    cutting all the "soon to be rebel alliance" scenes is a bit of a mistake i think. sure its implied, but it would be more cohesive to have at least one of them in there.

    i liked the one where mothma, organa and amidala talk about palpatine's power. i also liked the one where padme confronts the chancellor, and gives him the petition. sure it may be politics, but its very interesting because anakin is there, and is seeing his idol, and his wife, at odds.

    and also the obi wan scene?!?! the one where he tells padme about how he knows, but he'll keep it a secret?!! i dunno, these seem like pretty important scenes. not just to this film, but tho the OT as well.

    so does mon mothma not have any lines?i was really excited about the connection that was going to be made.

    poor geneive oreilly...
     
  17. ArgenPalos

    ArgenPalos Jedi Master star 4

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    evidently, most don't see the need for the yoda on dagobah scene, but i think this was a mistake to cut.

    First of all, i think yoda is one of the main characters of the 0T and the prequels, and the scene as a whole could have been made quite moving.

    Secondly, he does have someone to talk to to - Qui-gon jin's spirit, which would have been interesting as it he may let on to yoda some happenings in the future, which would have allowed us to feel better about the ending of the prequels.

    Finally, i think emotionally this scene would have been very powerful, somewhat like the luke on tatooine scene in ANH,when he goes outside, and looks at the double suns - a classic star wars moment, with no need for dialogue or much else for that matter. A few seconds would have done.
     
  18. PADMELUVA

    PADMELUVA Jedi Padawan star 4

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    "I am losing faith in the Senate's readiness, or even ability, to rein him in." Senator Amidala, Revenge of the Sith

    As the Chancellor tightens his grip over the galaxy, Amidala takes the Petition of Two Thousand to the Chancellor.

    However, it is quite a showdown. Standing beside Palpatine at the meeting is his loyal representative - Anakin Skywalker. Anakin has been asked specifically to appear at this meeting - a new intmidating figure against the leader of the Delegation of Two Thousand.

    The Chancellor rejects the petition offered, infurating Amidala, who storms out of the meeting.


    to me, this sounded like a very intersting meeting, having amidala and anakin on opposite sides of the fence.

    it would seem like amidala has no character development in this movie at all......just call me dissapointed.
     
  19. Jumpman

    Jumpman Jedi Padawan star 4

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    rhonderoo, Scene 75 is when Anakin confronts Padme about Obi-Wan and the conversation changes to Anakin feeling that he's lost and not the Jedi he should be(funny how we've ssen parts of this scene already in trailers but it's cut.)

    Padme has plenty of character development. Add what we know from the previous two films, then her actions in this film. She's Anakin anchor in this film.

    With her Senator scenes taken out, her character is the character she wanted to become since Episode II...leaving politics and just want to have a family. She's finally thinking about herself, her husband, and her unborn.

    It's not the powerhouse character with power like in Episodes I and II. Instead of playing a Senator and Powerful leader in the Senate, she's playing a wife and mother, worried about their future...wanting to help her husband through these trying times. It's a more emotional role than the previous two.
     
  20. Tion_Meddon

    Tion_Meddon Jedi Master star 4

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    Could someone please answer my two [h=yellow]hilighted[/hl] questions above??

     
  21. Orionsangel

    Orionsangel Jedi Padawan star 4

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    what a jip, all those scenes seem important
     
  22. AceKarrde

    AceKarrde Jedi Youngling

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    I'm not happy about a lot of these either, but none of them seem crucial to this movie. They're perhaps quite important to the saga (creation of the Alliance). But they would've been blasted cool to see.

    My question is, this Yoda/Dagobah scene...are we sure it's the whole Dagobah scene that's cut, or perhaps just Yoda arriving? Cause it seems that there are 6 main characters at the end of the film (Ben, Luke, Leia, Vader, Palpatine, and Yoda). Why see them all but one?

    Still, George has been known to tinker 'til the last minute. As someone already said, at least this will provide worthwhile deleted scenes for the DVD.
     
  23. Jumpman

    Jumpman Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Tion,

    The part about Mace and Palpatine talking after the crash has been cut. Mace goes back in the transport with Obi-Wan to the Council.

    As far as the Yoda, Obi, and Mace scene discussing the Darkside, not in the script at all. I think it was part of the novel that also got illustrated for the Graphic Novel...or it may have been in the script at one time but in this draft of the script, it's not in there.
     
  24. DANA28

    DANA28 Jedi Padawan star 4

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    The "I'm not the Jedi I should be" line gave me chills, please let that part of the cut scene stay. [face_praying]
     
  25. overmydeadbody

    overmydeadbody Jedi Padawan star 4

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    I have great faith in this edit. I have a feeling that if you keep in the whole Padme/Obi scene and Anakin confronting her scene then we'll be screaming 'just get on with the freakin movie!'. If they were any good (i.e. acted well, written well) and if they were crucial to the movie Lucas would have left them in.

    Saying this, I think there's definitely room for a special extended cut of ROTS with all the deleted scenes. AOTC was a bit of a mess but doesn't deserve the full SE treatment as there's only a couple of things that deserve to be back in the cut (shutting down the droids on Geonosis, Padme's first senate scene, extended Dooku duel, and MAYBE one of the family scenes). AOTC deserved to be so much better than it was, with the romantic development between Anakin and Padme executed so friggin poorly.

    I also want to see Yoda throwing a mental on Kashyyyk, though it's probably a good decision not to have it in the theatrical cut.
     
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