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Books Star Wars Propaganda: A History of Persuasive Art in the Galaxy

Discussion in 'Literature' started by GrandAdmiralJello , Jan 13, 2016.

  1. Gorefiend

    Gorefiend Chosen One star 5

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    It comes with lore?! Might have to get it then.
     
  2. GrandAdmiralJello

    GrandAdmiralJello Comms Admin ❉ Moderator Communitatis Litterarumque star 10 Staff Member Administrator

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    Of course it does, Gorefiend. That's what in-universe means! That's why I'm excited.

    The preview pages give me the feel of a coffee table book you might get from a museum that contain pics from their special exhibits, with scholarly commentary and stuff. I like it.
     
  3. Gorefiend

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    Yeah, but in this case I just figured that meant it comes with text in Aurebesh on the posters, or something.
     
  4. GrandAdmiralJello

    GrandAdmiralJello Comms Admin ❉ Moderator Communitatis Litterarumque star 10 Staff Member Administrator

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    It's Pablo, he wrote for WEG. He knows how these things are done. :p
     
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  5. DarthTalgus

    DarthTalgus Force Ghost star 4

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    ''The thousand-year regime''
    As a WW2 history buff I'm enjoying all these Nazi paralells
     
  6. JediBatman

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    Aw man, I'm loving the art AND the little historical notes that accompany it.

    Small question: "There are 2000 Senators inside this building. None of them care about you." The Delegation of 2000 (the 2000 Senators who remained in the Republic but protested Palpatine's actions) is apparently still canon. Plus there's all those Senators who joined the Confederacy.

    So if the Senate is seemingly composed of more than 2000 people, why give that number on the poster?
     
  7. starfish

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    This looks great. Love the propaganda art.

    Down with Empire. :p
     
  8. DarthTalgus

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    Which site has all of those preview pages ? (I need the source, because the text on the images are too small for me to read :p)
     
  9. Random Comments

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  10. Jedi Ben

    Jedi Ben Chosen One star 10

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    Those images are brilliant, but why has this strand rarely been explored?
     
  11. GrandAdmiralJello

    GrandAdmiralJello Comms Admin ❉ Moderator Communitatis Litterarumque star 10 Staff Member Administrator

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    Quiet, traitor. :p


    I'm actually interested to see pre-Clone Wars Old Republic art and post-Endor New Republic art -- the Imp/Rebel stuff is pretty obvious and the TCW stuff to a lesser extent, but I think the OR/NR at peace would be fascinating. There's less of a wartime reason for propaganda but there might still be valid reasons for state-produced art, and so I'm fascinated to see what we get. Post-Endor NR especially.
     
  12. BobaMatt

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    I'm eager to see how far back this goes. I'd love a few surviving posters from the foundation of the Republic, inviting new worlds to join...
     
  13. GrandAdmiralJello

    GrandAdmiralJello Comms Admin ❉ Moderator Communitatis Litterarumque star 10 Staff Member Administrator

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    Given that "Part III" is Building the Empire, I can see Part I being the Old Republic (TPM era, maybe some goodies before that) and Part II being the Clone Wars.
     
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  14. starfish

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    Empire Day, I love it. All hail our glorious Empire.
     
  15. King of Alsakan

    King of Alsakan Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Amazing stuff, and a nice write up on how the First Order came to be. Nice nod to the local Planetary defense forces in the days before the Empire too. Can't wait for this one.
     
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  16. Sarge

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    Between this thread and the SWAJ one, I'm going into WEG withdrawal symptoms. =((
     
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  17. Yunzabit

    Yunzabit Jedi Master star 4

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    This looks very intriguing and different.
     
  18. Dr. Steve Brule

    Dr. Steve Brule Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    So if the Galactic Concordance is signed after the Imperial Fleet vanishes following the Battle of Jakku... who does it get signed with? (Also, this contradicts the TFA Visual Dictionary that states that it was the signing of the peace treaty that ended fighting in the battle, with the Imperials jumping directly into the Unknown Regions from there.)

    Also, who exactly is paying the reparations to the New Republic? The former Imperial governors personally? The populations of the planets that, according to the NR itself, were oppressed and coerced by the illegitimate, unrepresentative government of the Empire?
     
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  19. Rogue_Follower

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    Clearly this book is just a repackaging of trite New Republic propaganda, glossing over important historical details in order to push its own agenda. I bet it won't even allude to the fact that the Empire was victorious on all fronts.
     
  20. GrandAdmiralJello

    GrandAdmiralJello Comms Admin ❉ Moderator Communitatis Litterarumque star 10 Staff Member Administrator

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    Yeah, those are definite inconsistencies in the timeline. The question is -- why? The book's written in-universe, so there could be a definite reason for it. For instance, we've wondered whether or not the FO felt that the peace was treacherously concluded amidst the battle. Perhaps the NR wanted to portray it as if they'd decisively won Jakku, and then imposed the Concordance on former Imperial worlds. It's also interesting that it's the governors who are paying reparations and not the "rump Empire."

    And yeah, I sort of wonder at the reparations. They seem somewhat vindictive if they're being imposed against worlds who had nothing to do with Imperial policy, or if they're just being used against the Core.
     
  21. Dr. Steve Brule

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    Well, it's not just this book and the TFA VD, though, Lost Stars explicitly has the war continuing for at least a month, with "the treaty" not being the same with the end of the war. And it also has the passage contradicting the de-armament stuff from the TFA VD and Aftermath. So it seems like this entire part of the timeline was not thought out very well, which seems like kind of a big thing to have fumbled over.
     
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  22. darklordoftech

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    For episodes 8-9 and the canon to flat-out ignore the 30 years in between ROTJ and TFA would be a worst nightmare scenario. It's inportant to me that Snoke and Sheev exist in the same universe (even if not at the same time).
     
  23. GrandAdmiralJello

    GrandAdmiralJello Comms Admin ❉ Moderator Communitatis Litterarumque star 10 Staff Member Administrator

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    Right, well, it's entirely possible the treaty mentioned in LS wasn't the Concordance. After all, it seemed more like it was describing a truce. I'm also beginning to suspect that the Concordance is less a Versailles type of arrangement and more of a Washington Treaty type of thing: all powers agree to be bound by it, including worlds who leave the NR. Or perhaps the FO is bound to the Concordance not as an Imperial successor state, but as an NR successor state?

    Either way, we know so little that we can't tell if these apparent contradictions are the result of error or the result of limited information we've used to piece together what we think is happening. Since Bloodline comes out well before this book, I think we'll have a much better ability to figure out whether or not something's gone wrong in the timeline.
     
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  24. Vthuil

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    That was always the impression I had of the Concordance, but up until now it seemed like it was meant to be simultaneous with, or literally the same as, the treaty that ended the war. That no longer appears to be the case.
     
  25. BobaMatt

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    They're not aggressively filling that time in because they haven't finished the sequel trilogy yet. Imagine doing a bunch of detailed Dark Times stories right after TPM.
     
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