Rebels may have suffered as a one-per-week 20min experience but watched 3-4 at a time on DVD it worked well.
The ideal animated star wars show for me would something with the tone and visuals of the Bad Batch and the structure and pacing of Rebels season 4. Which I think is probably my favourite singular season of any of these shows.
Still, I just find it odd that Star Wars animated series haven't hit those same sorta structural balances that other shows that are also animated have done so much better like Amphibia, Owl House, and She-Ra Though I will say I think Bad Batch and Resistance are so far the best structure shows so far. Although Season 2 of the Owl House has been pretty serialized compared to Season 1 But Amphibia does more episodic storytelling quite nicely.
Any structural concerns with TCW stem from it being an anthology and them going from chronological to out of order and back to chronological. It's always going to b a stop-and-start as the focus shifts between plotlines and character groups. REB alternated from stand-alones to larger mythology arcs (or stand-alones seeding later mythology arcs) but generally strayed away from the 3-and-4-parters of TCW, so the storytelling had to be more self-contained outside of the occasional 2-parter. RES chose to take the super-slow pacing route to play with status quo hinges in the impact of events- but was never able to keep up any momentum, on top of seemingly being cut short due to the alterations in ST planning when they change from DOTF to ROS for Episode IX. MAN & BB have taken their cues from TCW and REB in terms of either episode structure or seasonal structure. Basically alternating stand-alones (setting up later episodes) and main-arc episodes, but focusing in a single cast (ala REB). But the result there has been some whiplash as they shift so rapidly between the two types of stories and it often takes multiple seasons to provide any retroactive context for the side-stories.
I will always prefer Resistance structure and just overall over Rebels to be honest. But Resistance is my favorite series over Rebels and TCW so far of the completed series.
Overall ey? So, you preferred the cast of characters/actors, composer, direction, animation style, setting of Resistance to Rebels? That’s certainly a take. I can’t agree with it any shape or form, but it’s definitely a unique view.
Yes! Resistence knew it was, knew it what it wanted to be and embraced it whole heartedly Rebels had a bit of a identity crisis between being something new or a Clone Wars sequel and never quite captured me except for a handful of episodes, Thrawn, and the World Between World Episodes.
Well this analogy will be somewhat lost, but I’ll try and convey it as best I can. first Hulk film was directed by Ang Lee, hugely celebrated Oscar winning filmmaker. Universal gave him pretty much complete freedom, and he ended up making this really weird movie that was half Arthouse psychological drama and half superhero action movie. 7-8 years later, MCU does their Hulk movie. It was a straight up action movie, lots of fighting, fast pace etc. The second Hulk knew what it wanted to be: a popcorn flick. And I suppose in that sense it succeeded. It was more consistent than Ang Lee’s film, but also far less ambitious, and I think as a result, less memorable. That’s how I feel about Resistance. It wanted to be a more kid friendly racer show and it damn well succeeded. It’s nowhere near as memorable for me though.
Fair enough, but maybe that's why I appreciate more than Rebels. Resistance knew what it wanted to be and boy did it execute it well. Rebels...Rebels sadly never stood out to me or became memorable until Thrawn came. That and I also have seen a lot of "Kid shows" like Amphibia, Owl House and they get into some really interesting topics and what not.
Pre-Thrawn, I’d consider Twilight of the Apprentice memorable. Hell that episode alone is more memorable than a lot of western animation for me.
Oooh hard disagree there and I like Twilight of the Apprentice But to be honest no Star Wars animated series I don't think has ever been as good as some of the animated series coming out since 2010 but that's just me
Yeah, I don’t like She-Ra, Owl House etc Or to be more accurate, I have no desire to watch them. With Star Wars I can at least approach them from the realm of enjoying a familiar franchise that’s told at a reasonably mature level. Though mind you, while I like TCW/Rebels/Bad Batch to me they don’t really compare to the anime I watch. But that’s ultimately because Western animation is held back by certain cultural things.
I don't think that "The best animated shows of the last decade have not been Star Wars ones" is a controversial take at all.
I would argue that shows like She-Ra, Owl House and Amphibia are FAR more inspired and influenced by anime these days then Western Animation was back in the day. A trend we've seen more and since Avatar the Last Airbender. It's not full on Anime sure but the people making these shows have and are big fans of Anime and it shows. Even Resistance i found was very anime inspired. Course now we're getting a full on Star Wars anime. Obviously like what you like but i would say that Western animation has changed in some regard, especially with the lates Cadre of shows. Tell that to some TCW fans
Maybe in terms of aesthetic and seasonal structure. But in terms of content and how unflinching anime can be, I haven’t really seen that reflected in the West. There’s still that mentality prevalent that unless you’re doing a comedy, animation is for a younger audience. There’s a couple of exceptions, like Bojack Horseman, but for the most part I think that mentality in the industry holds a lot of these shows back. Or rather, it keeps them from being the kind of television I could personally connect with in a meaningful way. The Star Wars stuff bridges that gap a little bit, because it’s kind of using my fondness for the films and novels to get me there, but TCW/Rebels/Bad Batch will never move me the way something like Attack on Titan or Oddtaxi do.
Fair enough although those shows I have mentioned She-Ra, Owl House, have some pretty dark stuff in them. But hey like I said like what you like my friend. Never been much of a anime fan myself outside of Yugioh and Pokeymom, (And for a brief period Black Butler) so at this point it's a taste thing
So, if they had the whole series planned out, why did they write potentially compelling and interesting plots such as Senator Xiono may or may not be a First Order sympathizer, then drop it completely or never resolve it?
Yeah, I find myself wondering the same thing for a lot of season 2 plotlines - it just seemed like so much was set up that either didn't go anywhere, or were resolved in a way that felt pretty abrupt (ie Kragen jumping from "try to undermine Doza by making him look bad" to "full droid coup" after several episodes doing nothing). Like, why introduce the character of Mika and First Order relic hunters, particularly with Mika joining the Colossus? I thought she was going to end up as some kind of mentor to the Tehar kids for the use of the force, but as it is it is weird to add a big new cast member so close to the end and not have her do much. (Heck, the Tehar kids in general, while being from season 1, with their implied force sensativy and implied big secret that the First Order was hunting them over, yet we didn't get anything concrete, just more implications and inferences) And the thing with Senator Xiono like you said...honestly, even without the implications of him being a collaborator, it is weird to confirm he was alive, somewhat undermining one of the biggest emotional moments of the show, just for a single, brief scene, in which he warns about bounty hunters coming after Kaz...but the only bounty hunter Kaz goes up against was hunting someone else and ran into him on accident. Not to mention as far back as season one the aces were highlighted a lot as key characters, but Freya and Keeval didn't get any backstory or character focus. ...And I feel like there were more things that felt like set up for seasons that never came, and I just can't remember since it has been a while since I watched the show. Don't get me wrong, I love Resistance, but I just really felt there was a lot of set up for a season three that it is a bit of a shock to discover there were no concrete plans for such a thing. ....Hmm...I would be great if the squadrons team ends up making a game around what the Colossus was up between the end of the show and the battle of Exogal. I mean, I know it isn't going to happen, but it is fun to think about.
I think it ends up being a mixture of initial hope that Ep IX production info would end up coming down the pipeline to allow them the ability to do future seasons (and, thus, seed subplots for those seasons even though that hope didn’t pan out) and (speculating) what little info they had for Ep IX at the time was from the Trevorrow/Duel of the Fates script that got tossed out soon after (thus, you get the show setting up DOTF-related subplots like the relic hunters that ROS didn’t carry over).
Oh yeah, I suppose that makes a lot of sense. Kind of felt that it was that way with a lot of ST era eu material - being cautious and vague to avoid any contradictions with the future movies (not that it always worked). Ironically now that the st is finished and one can work within the era more easily, there is even less stuff set around this time. Shame really - tcw added a lot to the prequels in the eyes of many fans, so it would be cool to see a show do the same for the sequels.