SWC Senate game - The Great Sith Civil War - The Game has begun!

Senator Brutus, perhaps you forget that effort has already been made to turn Estraan, a once volatile sector of space due to its Sith ties, into a fortress, out of which armies can be moved with ease across the Rim? We're not talking about self-serving interests here, Senator, we're talking about the logical option. If you want to revisit the points that resulted in a unanimous vote of approval for Senator Draco Drake's bill, replay your session logs.

With the corporations answering to the government, we can use their resources to hunt down the Raiders, the Estraan criminals and the corrupt money-launderers. With these crises solved we can turn to the unknown threat, and the terror assaulting Onderon. An impenetrable fortress has already been created; this will turn that fortress into something offensive as well as defensive, and rid the entire galaxy of three threats plaguing it.

Enough deliberation, Senator. We cannot delay, for the fate of the Alliance is in our hands. If you cannot possibly be swayed, then vote against when the vote begins, just know that there are many supporters of this bill.

 

"I would appreciate Senator if you could answer the question I posed. What do planets far from the raiders have to benefit from this nationalization plan of yours and Senator Drake."

 

Motion : Alternative to The Senator Deadwar's Motion

Proposed By: TomMon
Seconded by:

1. To deal with the Corrupt officials I propose that 1% of the budget go to Mandalorian Bounty Hunters to kill there hidious Traitors. 1% of a Multi Billion Credit Budget should be plenty and be more affordable than losing another 5%
2. To deal with the near loss of the inner rim worlds a minor shift of forces now stationed in the Estraan sector and back to the inner rim along with Mandalorian support, but leaving a the forces at Hydian way and Korriban.
3. To counter the Nationalization of corporations and to control the outrageous Price Hikes without the extra taxation. I propose a System of Price Caps and Partial Nationalization. The prices that have skyrocketed Be returned to pre Hike levels. And then to counter the companies' arguments about a jump in prices of resources a nationalization of the resources used right at the sources. For the companies that go along with the price caps we will offer them any finacial aide they might need later,example an intrest free loan or future contracts with us, For the companies' that resist boycott them and haveing owning the recsources refuse to sell to them. Or if they are so important as to that we need them, Then buy from them and tell them when there services are up we will no longer offer them contracts. And as for the properties nationalized they will be handed over to the companies that the senate chooses much later helped us out the most during this trying time.

 

Motion : Alternative to The Senator Deadwar's Motion

Proposed By: TomMon
Seconded by: Brutus

1. To deal with the Corrupt officials I propose that 1% of the budget go to Mandalorian Bounty Hunters to kill there hidious Traitors. 1% of a Multi Billion Credit Budget should be plenty and be more affordable than losing another 5%
2. To deal with the near loss of the inner rim worlds a minor shift of forces now stationed in the Estraan sector and back to the inner rim along with Mandalorian support, but leaving a the forces at Hydian way and Korriban.
3. To counter the Nationalization of corporations and to control the outrageous Price Hikes without the extra taxation. I propose a System of Price Caps and Partial Nationalization. The prices that have skyrocketed Be returned to pre Hike levels. And then to counter the companies' arguments about a jump in prices of resources a nationalization of the resources used right at the sources. For the companies that go along with the price caps we will offer them any finacial aide they might need later,example an intrest free loan or future contracts with us, For the companies' that resist boycott them and haveing owning the recsources refuse to sell to them. Or if they are so important as to that we need them, Then buy from them and tell them when there services are up we will no longer offer them contracts. And as for the properties nationalized they will be handed over to the companies that the senate chooses much later helped us out the most during this trying time.

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I hereby second this alternative motion.

 

I do believe I just answered your question, Senator Brutus. Perhaps you could check the Sessions log, more specifically the Chancellor's statement that there are two options that may resolve that particular crisis; raising taxes to great public disapproval or, with 5% of the budget, nationalize the great corporations.

Senator TomMon, your proposal is full of budget estimates that are more than likely incorrect, aside from the fact it does not actually... do anything? It contains no detail as to how the end result will be obtained.

 

I allow the senate budget office to do the math on things like this. And if you do the math 1% of just 1 billion is 10 million that is quite a bit as it were. and as i stated far more than enough to post bounty's and hire bounty hunters. And the hows are self explainitory. If Sinrebirth wishes to see a chart of all the indescrabant details then i will but reading it over. It seems self explanitory to me. And as senator of Mandalore and with the mandalorians lust for battle I am sure they will go along with it.

 

Concerning your bill, feel free to respond and correct me.
1. How do we know the bounty hunters will kill the right ones?
2. You propose, sending troops still in production to protect the Hydian Way? It would give my people something to do, so they would be happy, but until those troops come the mandalorians would be alone. I do however feel they can handle themselves... for a time.
3. Sounds like we need a branch of the government to organize this effectively.

The only estimation on your part is in the 1st of 3... 1% and I suppose part 2 could also be handled similarly, with at most it rising to 5% to supply a fleet of mandaloriians or 1.5% to 2% to be bounty hunter sized with eventual help by paid for Esstraan ships when the factory is completed. As for part three... I estimate around 5% or so. or propally 7% to organize and inforce this... so I estimate 12% at most or 8% or 9 % in more realistic terms...

Senator TomMon, would this be an accurate estimation?
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Another separate concern. Would this in your opinions Senators, prevent the increasing on prices of this new fortress and factory?

 

No we moved forces that already existed there. I am just taking the ones that secured it from the Raiders and moved them with the Mando fleet and I has said I am leaving the cost estimation to the Senate Budget committee and I don't trust your figures cause they have been to low and costed more. And I am running just a rough anylists for my Number. 1 estamite. And a New branch of Government is not needed for something as trivial as number 3 as it is localized to that sector and the companies there jacking the prices up illegaly. And I am sure that The Rewards of helping us and the Consequences of not are present. This project will of course be relagated to senate committe under the Interior Deparntment under econmoics commitee. We had the senate back in when i first joined where it was all in details like that but it was so hard to keep track of all the offices and committees that we took it out to try and keep it user freindly. I am sure Sinre will agree with me. Now if we feel like a new branch of the government would be needed or a war time committee that under normal circumstances exsists than yes they would need a motion to create it. But as I belive that there is already a committee in place in the government structure that this would pretain to I do not see at the moment where adding another committee or even branch of the government would be cost effective.

And Number 3. was the only way I could see of getting out of raiseing Taxes Or complete Nationalization. I will await what the Supreme Chancellor has to say now.

 

I concur with Senator Drako. What, precisely, is the definition of "corrupt" that we are dealing with here? It may differ from my own definition.

 

Empire?s: Disapproval: 20
Your Homeworld?s Disapproval: 40
Your Corruption: 50

Wow I actually added corruption, and homeworld disapproval. It has been awhile since I have gotten any of those.

I much prefer Senator Thomas' bill then the previous one proposed, but it still needs some work. I too would like to know the answer to the question Senators Draco and QGR have posted. What is Corrupt? To a certain extent we all could be considered corrupt. So by that logic shouldn't we all be thrown out? But if everyone who is corrupt needs to die then the whole galaxy is deserving of death. Because no matter what you do you everyone is corrupt to a certain extent.

Exactly what do the guilds mean when they say 'Free Trade Zone'? Iridonia weighs heavy on my mind. Something needs to be done. My people are suffering and dying. Iridonia is a harsh world to begin with so when Iridonians are suffering it is really bad. How would you feel if your people, no your children were dying because your world has been neglected by the rest of the galaxy who we rely on for support. I am calling out to the senate as one of those people who have suffered. How can you sleep at night when there are children starving in the streets because their parents are too sick, or hurt to work so that they can put food on the table. If you can't help the entire rim then at least help Iridonia and Onderon. The entire Rim is suffering. But Iridonia and Onderon are bearing the brunt of it.

 

I personally would like to see this bill worked on, before I give my full support towards it.

Also Senator MM, would you like to propose a bill or a less rough draft of the current one?

I would also like to say, that personal matters require me to go to my planet of Dromund Kaas, for a few days, so this is my last day in Senate until four days from now. I will however try to communicate opinions via holonet or the like, but will be away.

 

Motion 145.1.2

Proposed by: Darth_Dreadwar
Seconded By: Draco_Drake

I propose a bill to eliminate three major problems facing this great Alliance; kill three dune lizards with one blaster bolt, if you indulge the modified metaphor. The Raiders along the Hydian Way have fled like the lowly cowards they are, but now they are threatening the great system of Corellia. If we do not act against them, they may cut off the Core from the rest of the galaxy. Now, while as you all may know I am against centralization of government - a method which led to corruption in the Old Republic and in the past of this Alliance - but the Core is the Heart, and we cannot let the dagger that the Raiders are stab the Heart, for without the Heart the galaxy will die.

I suggest nationalization of companies and corporations in the sector; the second option, higher taxes, is not what we need right now. I suggest we nationalize the corporations, and let them report directly to the appropriate parties in the Estraan Sector. We need to turn the fortress that already exists into a spear, and with the great corporations' aid we can thrust forth from the Estraan, and attack these cowardly Raiders, and force them out. Simultaneously, with the companies now answering to the government and to the Estraan, we will have their work forces turn Korriban into an effective method of disposal for wrongdoers, thus eliminating the threat of the Estraan criminals. The companies' security force can hunt these terrorists down. But more importantly, the companies will impose the death sentence on the corrupt money-launderers who are eating away at our money. To be frank, Senators, I will say this; the companies will be responsible for this, thus disapproval would be aimed at the corporations rather than damaging the reputation of the Senate.

This bill will save us from the Raiders, and with the companies funding and building the prisons on Korriban and enforcing justice throughout the Estraan, we will eliminate the corrupt money-launderers, and the Estraan criminals.

Opinions

The Empire is a little concerned about this, seeing control of a key Core sector handed to an Outer Rim sector, or, depending on your point of view, handing power to corporations and releasing control over the prison system - it is centralisation, of a kind, but marred - all in all, the proposal is supported as it keeps power near the Imperial throneworlds. Many of the homeworlds are also against this, apart from systems such as those in the Esstran. The Budget costs are minimal, but enforcement on these corporations may prove politically sticky later on. The effect on your corruption is unknown, but it largely depends on your system.

Votes

For
Darth_Dreadwar


Against
Sinrebirth


24 hours to vote!

 

Motion 145.1.2

Proposed by: Darth_Dreadwar
Seconded By: Draco_Drake

I propose a bill to eliminate three major problems facing this great Alliance; kill three dune lizards with one blaster bolt, if you indulge the modified metaphor. The Raiders along the Hydian Way have fled like the lowly cowards they are, but now they are threatening the great system of Corellia. If we do not act against them, they may cut off the Core from the rest of the galaxy. Now, while as you all may know I am against centralization of government - a method which led to corruption in the Old Republic and in the past of this Alliance - but the Core is the Heart, and we cannot let the dagger that the Raiders are stab the Heart, for without the Heart the galaxy will die.

I suggest nationalization of companies and corporations in the sector; the second option, higher taxes, is not what we need right now. I suggest we nationalize the corporations, and let them report directly to the appropriate parties in the Estraan Sector. We need to turn the fortress that already exists into a spear, and with the great corporations' aid we can thrust forth from the Estraan, and attack these cowardly Raiders, and force them out. Simultaneously, with the companies now answering to the government and to the Estraan, we will have their work forces turn Korriban into an effective method of disposal for wrongdoers, thus eliminating the threat of the Estraan criminals. The companies' security force can hunt these terrorists down. But more importantly, the companies will impose the death sentence on the corrupt money-launderers who are eating away at our money. To be frank, Senators, I will say this; the companies will be responsible for this, thus disapproval would be aimed at the corporations rather than damaging the reputation of the Senate.

This bill will save us from the Raiders, and with the companies funding and building the prisons on Korriban and enforcing justice throughout the Estraan, we will eliminate the corrupt money-launderers, and the Estraan criminals.

Opinions

The Empire is a little concerned about this, seeing control of a key Core sector handed to an Outer Rim sector, or, depending on your point of view, handing power to corporations and releasing control over the prison system - it is centralisation, of a kind, but marred - all in all, the proposal is supported as it keeps power near the Imperial throneworlds. Many of the homeworlds are also against this, apart from systems such as those in the Esstran. The Budget costs are minimal, but enforcement on these corporations may prove politically sticky later on. The effect on your corruption is unknown, but it largely depends on your system.

Votes

For
Darth_Dreadwar

Against
Sinrebirth
Darth_Brutus666

24 hours to vote!

Motion 145.1.3

Proposed By: TomMon
Seconded by: Brutus

1. To deal with the Corrupt officials I propose that 1% of the Budget go to Mandalorian Bounty Hunters to kill there hidious Traitors. 1% of a Multi Billion Credit Budget should be plenty and be more affordable than losing another 5%.

2. To deal with the near loss of the Inner Rim worlds a minor shift of forces now stationed in the Estraan sector and back to the Inner Rim along with Mandalorian support, but leaving a the forces at Hydian way and Korriban.

3. To counter the nationalization of corporations and to control the outrageous Price Hikes without the extra taxation. I propose a System of Price Caps and Partial Nationalization. The prices that have sky-rocketed be returned to pre Hike levels. And then to counter the companies' arguments about a jump in prices of resources a nationalization of the resources used right at the sources. For the companies that go along with the price caps we will offer them any finacial aide they might need later, example an interest free loan or future contracts with us. For the companies' that resist boycott them and haveing owning the recsources refuse to sell to them. Or if they are so important as to that we need them, Then buy from them and tell them when there services are up we wil

 

Wait, is it just me or does it seem possible to vote yes for both of these?

 

Hardly, Senator... They offer different solutions to the same problem. One is beneficial to us, if you get my meaning, and one is not.

 

Motion 145.1.2

Proposed by: Darth_Dreadwar
Seconded By: Draco_Drake

I propose a bill to eliminate three major problems facing this great Alliance; kill three dune lizards with one blaster bolt, if you indulge the modified metaphor. The Raiders along the Hydian Way have fled like the lowly cowards they are, but now they are threatening the great system of Corellia. If we do not act against them, they may cut off the Core from the rest of the galaxy. Now, while as you all may know I am against centralization of government - a method which led to corruption in the Old Republic and in the past of this Alliance - but the Core is the Heart, and we cannot let the dagger that the Raiders are stab the Heart, for without the Heart the galaxy will die.

I suggest nationalization of companies and corporations in the sector; the second option, higher taxes, is not what we need right now. I suggest we nationalize the corporations, and let them report directly to the appropriate parties in the Estraan Sector. We need to turn the fortress that already exists into a spear, and with the great corporations' aid we can thrust forth from the Estraan, and attack these cowardly Raiders, and force them out. Simultaneously, with the companies now answering to the government and to the Estraan, we will have their work forces turn Korriban into an effective method of disposal for wrongdoers, thus eliminating the threat of the Estraan criminals. The companies' security force can hunt these terrorists down. But more importantly, the companies will impose the death sentence on the corrupt money-launderers who are eating away at our money. To be frank, Senators, I will say this; the companies will be responsible for this, thus disapproval would be aimed at the corporations rather than damaging the reputation of the Senate.

This bill will save us from the Raiders, and with the companies funding and building the prisons on Korriban and enforcing justice throughout the Estraan, we will eliminate the corrupt money-launderers, and the Estraan criminals.

Opinions

The Empire is a little concerned about this, seeing control of a key Core sector handed to an Outer Rim sector, or, depending on your point of view, handing power to corporations and releasing control over the prison system - it is centralisation, of a kind, but marred - all in all, the proposal is supported as it keeps power near the Imperial throneworlds. Many of the homeworlds are also against this, apart from systems such as those in the Esstran. The Budget costs are minimal, but enforcement on these corporations may prove politically sticky later on. The effect on your corruption is unknown, but it largely depends on your system.

Votes

For
Darth_Dreadwar

Against
Sinrebirth
Darth_Brutus666
Mister_Master

24 hours to vote!



Motion 145.1.3

Proposed By: TomMon
Seconded by: Brutus

1. To deal with the Corrupt officials I propose that 1% of the Budget go to Mandalorian Bounty Hunters to kill there hidious Traitors. 1% of a Multi Billion Credit Budget should be plenty and be more affordable than losing another 5%.

2. To deal with the near loss of the Inner Rim worlds a minor shift of forces now stationed in the Estraan sector and back to the Inner Rim along with Mandalorian support, but leaving a the forces at Hydian way and Korriban.

3. To counter the nationalization of corporations and to control the outrageous Price Hikes without the extra taxation. I propose a System of Price Caps and Partial Nationalization. The prices that have sky-rocketed be returned to pre Hike levels. And then to counter the companies' arguments about a jump in prices of resources a nationalization of the resources used right at the sources. For the companies that go along with the price caps we will offer them any finacial aide they might need later, example an interest free loan or future contracts with us. For the companies' that resist boycott them and haveing owning the recsources refuse to sell to them. Or if they are so important as to that we need them, Then buy from them and tell them when there servic

 

The Corruption as I was meaning when I wrote this up was the Moffs and Leaders and officials that was squadering and pocketing much of our budget into there own pockets. I am sure given the credits The Bounty Hunters could investigate the money trail and see were who all is pocketing that 5% we lost due to it. 5% is a Large sum of a money and very hard to really cover up. And When those officals have been found and killed or atleast a few of them maybe it will deter future people fromm putting their slimy hands in our, the senate's, Bank Account. As it were the Bounty Hunters will officially report to poeple who hires them. As wiith us being the senate and such they would report to Sinre as to their findings and targets. Since the SC is our "spokes person" to rest of the galaxy.

 

Motion 145.1.2

Proposed by: Darth_Dreadwar
Seconded By: Draco_Drake

I propose a bill to eliminate three major problems facing this great Alliance; kill three dune lizards with one blaster bolt, if you indulge the modified metaphor. The Raiders along the Hydian Way have fled like the lowly cowards they are, but now they are threatening the great system of Corellia. If we do not act against them, they may cut off the Core from the rest of the galaxy. Now, while as you all may know I am against centralization of government - a method which led to corruption in the Old Republic and in the past of this Alliance - but the Core is the Heart, and we cannot let the dagger that the Raiders are stab the Heart, for without the Heart the galaxy will die.

I suggest nationalization of companies and corporations in the sector; the second option, higher taxes, is not what we need right now. I suggest we nationalize the corporations, and let them report directly to the appropriate parties in the Estraan Sector. We need to turn the fortress that already exists into a spear, and with the great corporations' aid we can thrust forth from the Estraan, and attack these cowardly Raiders, and force them out. Simultaneously, with the companies now answering to the government and to the Estraan, we will have their work forces turn Korriban into an effective method of disposal for wrongdoers, thus eliminating the threat of the Estraan criminals. The companies' security force can hunt these terrorists down. But more importantly, the companies will impose the death sentence on the corrupt money-launderers who are eating away at our money. To be frank, Senators, I will say this; the companies will be responsible for this, thus disapproval would be aimed at the corporations rather than damaging the reputation of the Senate.

This bill will save us from the Raiders, and with the companies funding and building the prisons on Korriban and enforcing justice throughout the Estraan, we will eliminate the corrupt money-launderers, and the Estraan criminals.

Opinions

The Empire is a little concerned about this, seeing control of a key Core sector handed to an Outer Rim sector, or, depending on your point of view, handing power to corporations and releasing control over the prison system - it is centralisation, of a kind, but marred - all in all, the proposal is supported as it keeps power near the Imperial throneworlds. Many of the homeworlds are also against this, apart from systems such as those in the Esstran. The Budget costs are minimal, but enforcement on these corporations may prove politically sticky later on. The effect on your corruption is unknown, but it largely depends on your system.

Votes

For
Darth_Dreadwar
Draco_Drake

Against
Sinrebirth
Darth_Brutus666
Mister_Master

24 hours to vote!



Motion 145.1.3

Proposed By: TomMon
Seconded by: Brutus

1. To deal with the Corrupt officials I propose that 1% of the Budget go to Mandalorian Bounty Hunters to kill there hidious Traitors. 1% of a Multi Billion Credit Budget should be plenty and be more affordable than losing another 5%.

2. To deal with the near loss of the Inner Rim worlds a minor shift of forces now stationed in the Estraan sector and back to the Inner Rim along with Mandalorian support, but leaving a the forces at Hydian way and Korriban.

3. To counter the nationalization of corporations and to control the outrageous Price Hikes without the extra taxation. I propose a System of Price Caps and Partial Nationalization. The prices that have sky-rocketed be returned to pre Hike levels. And then to counter the companies' arguments about a jump in prices of resources a nationalization of the resources used right at the sources. For the companies that go along with the price caps we will offer them any finacial aide they might need later, example an interest free loan or future contracts with us. For the companies' that resist boycott them and haveing owning the recsources refuse to sell to them. Or if they are so important as to that we need them,

 

Motion 145.1.2

Proposed by: Darth_Dreadwar
Seconded By: Draco_Drake

I propose a bill to eliminate three major problems facing this great Alliance; kill three dune lizards with one blaster bolt, if you indulge the modified metaphor. The Raiders along the Hydian Way have fled like the lowly cowards they are, but now they are threatening the great system of Corellia. If we do not act against them, they may cut off the Core from the rest of the galaxy. Now, while as you all may know I am against centralization of government - a method which led to corruption in the Old Republic and in the past of this Alliance - but the Core is the Heart, and we cannot let the dagger that the Raiders are stab the Heart, for without the Heart the galaxy will die.

I suggest nationalization of companies and corporations in the sector; the second option, higher taxes, is not what we need right now. I suggest we nationalize the corporations, and let them report directly to the appropriate parties in the Estraan Sector. We need to turn the fortress that already exists into a spear, and with the great corporations' aid we can thrust forth from the Estraan, and attack these cowardly Raiders, and force them out. Simultaneously, with the companies now answering to the government and to the Estraan, we will have their work forces turn Korriban into an effective method of disposal for wrongdoers, thus eliminating the threat of the Estraan criminals. The companies' security force can hunt these terrorists down. But more importantly, the companies will impose the death sentence on the corrupt money-launderers who are eating away at our money. To be frank, Senators, I will say this; the companies will be responsible for this, thus disapproval would be aimed at the corporations rather than damaging the reputation of the Senate.

This bill will save us from the Raiders, and with the companies funding and building the prisons on Korriban and enforcing justice throughout the Estraan, we will eliminate the corrupt money-launderers, and the Estraan criminals.

Opinions

The Empire is a little concerned about this, seeing control of a key Core sector handed to an Outer Rim sector, or, depending on your point of view, handing power to corporations and releasing control over the prison system - it is centralisation, of a kind, but marred - all in all, the proposal is supported as it keeps power near the Imperial throneworlds. Many of the homeworlds are also against this, apart from systems such as those in the Esstran. The Budget costs are minimal, but enforcement on these corporations may prove politically sticky later on. The effect on your corruption is unknown, but it largely depends on your system.

Votes

For
Darth_Dreadwar
Draco_Drake

Against
Sinrebirth
Darth_Brutus666
Mister_Master
TomMon

24 hours to vote!



Motion 145.1.3

Proposed By: TomMon
Seconded by: Brutus

1. To deal with the Corrupt officials I propose that 1% of the Budget go to Mandalorian Bounty Hunters to kill there hidious Traitors. 1% of a Multi Billion Credit Budget should be plenty and be more affordable than losing another 5%.

2. To deal with the near loss of the Inner Rim worlds a minor shift of forces now stationed in the Estraan sector and back to the Inner Rim along with Mandalorian support, but leaving a the forces at Hydian way and Korriban.

3. To counter the nationalization of corporations and to control the outrageous Price Hikes without the extra taxation. I propose a System of Price Caps and Partial Nationalization. The prices that have sky-rocketed be returned to pre Hike levels. And then to counter the companies' arguments about a jump in prices of resources a nationalization of the resources used right at the sources. For the companies that go along with the price caps we will offer them any finacial aide they might need later, example an interest free loan or future contracts with us. For the companies' that resist boycott them and haveing owning the recsources refuse to sell to them. Or if they are so impo

 

*Gets up to leave*
Senators, with much respect, I take my leave for now. I'll return in 4 or 5 days if all goes well. Fair the well.
*Walks casually out of the senate*

 

OOC Amusing, but I already walked out.