Symbiotic relationship between Anakin and Padme

There's also the significance of the twins.
Once they were born, her last remaining connection with Anakin had left her body.

On Mustafar she tells him "I don't know you any more... You're going down a path I can't follow".
Once she gave birth, there was nothing left of the good Anakin for her to hold on to.

She also ultimately makes the sacrifice Anakin would never make.
As she dies, her children live.
Anakin eventually mirrors this in ROTJ by destroying Palpatine to save Luke, sacrificing his own life in the process.

 

It was the will of the force?

 

A lot of married or dating couples have this symbiotic relationship. It works on a "I love you" basis for romanticism, but also works in an agreement sort of way: I need you and you need me, we meet each others needs. It's really not a bad way to have a relationship, but Anakin's jealousy and lust for power made their attatchment a bad thing.

 

At first I just accepted that Padme died of a broken heart and lost the will to live. However, this symbiotic relationship is a very interesting viewpoint. Cool

 

Moving up.

 

I dont know if someone said this before but its kinda like a Romeo and Juliet type of story.

 

I hear most people here say that Anakin never really loved Padme and all I have to say is that if that were true, then Anakin would have no reason to commit suicide for their son, Luke at the end of Return of the Jedi because afterall, Luke did came out from Padme's body so technically, Anakin was saving a creation of his beloved wife.

What happened is that Anakin was so concerned about the visions of Padme's death, it allowed Palpsidious the opportunity to twist the Anakin/Padme relationship into some kind of trophy that Anakin was trying to win the second he fell for that Darth Plaguies story. When that happened, he lost perspective on what Padme wanted from him and what he was doing until the moment the Darth Vader helmet was slapped onto him.

 

She thought there was still good in him before he confirmed that he killed the younglings and wanted to take a spin on ruling the galaxy with her, "their way." Meanwhile, not only was her marriage over and her life work in shambles, she had to look the vision of her life as this:

It was she who called for the no-confidence vote that placed Palpatine as Chancellor.
It was she who went against her better judgement and married someone, knowing that marriage was forbidden for them.
It was she who was unwilling to end the secrecy, even in the advent of her pregnancy, creating more lies.

And then she has a husband who has destroyed the Republic in the name of peace and says, "But sweetie, I did it all for you. But if you don't like it...well, I can't be opposed, so I'm gonna force choke you."

Too, if she would have lived, would Vader not have pursued her to the ends of the galaxy, endangering not only her, those around her, but her children as well? This way, at least her children had a fighting chance. It isn't like she could really hide from him - he was deeply connected into her, at least while he was on the Light Side.

As far as symbiotic, I think that without her death, Vader would have been more of a threat to Palpatine. As much as his heart was hurting from all the destruction he'd wrought, the one thing that left him a broken man, to be used as a tool was that Padme was dead. And it was his fault.

 

any thoughts that perhaps padme felt guilty? she was the more mature person that could think logically yet they married disregarding the entire fireplace conversation - she did allow this to happen. "we could keep it a secret" - "that would be living a lie" - loss of senatorship, her life's work and he would be expelled from the jedi order, loosing what he had aspired to...yet she went along with it...
i think it's love all the way around

 

I like this Banner, but anyways...

Padme is not a symbiot n stuff

 

Quoted from another board:

Padme and Anakin have a strong force bond (Like Luke and Leia but different.) Even thought Padme isn't Force sensitive, they connect through the Force when Anakin is brooding in the Jedi Temple. This bond drains energy from Padme to Anakin. At the end it is only through the energy of Padme that Vader lives. She feels him pulling her life from her... and she FREELY GIVES IT. Because she loves him.

That is why she says she knows there is still good in him. (Her life ended and was subsumed within his)
That is why Vader says that he felt her.
That is why Palpy says Vader killed her.


That is why her death had a purpose and was not mere suicide.
And that is why the prophecy is fulfilled, Luke redeems Vader, and the Emperor is destroyed.
Padme is a "passive hero." (There have been other important passive heros in history, just not many in the movies.)

 

PERFECT! You have said it so succinctly and completely.

 

theSuper1 and deek, I agree. She gives her life for the life of Anakin because she thinks he can still be redeemed and I think she believes he is the only one who can restore peace and freedom to the galaxy because he is the Chosen One. Even though she wasn't a Jedi, she believes the prophecy blindly and her faith, which is alive in Luke, is what turns Anakin back to the Light Side.

 

Just like evry great tragedy ever written, someone dies of a broken heart. And remember, their love did destroy them both, hence the scenes cutting back to both her and Anakin showing how they both fall from their connection to each other.

 

If the symbiosis theory is true, is it possible that the reason Anakin loses to Obi-Wan on Mustafar is that he has broken the symbiont circle by knocking Padme unconscious? That he has been accustomed to drawing on her as a reservior of strength and that, now that she is injured and they are estranged, he is just not as potent as he thinks he is?

 

I think there is something along those lines Deek. I can?t help but think that when Padme tells Anakin she can?t go on his path, the Anakin she knew and the Anakin that Anakin knew himself was actually dying.

He needs her to have the things the way, he believes they want it to be (but for the wrong reasons), but she is refusing it. Anakin is already becoming more and more influenced by power and by Padme moving away from him, he?s in desperate state of ?survival?. He needs her to now complete his journey, totally immerse himself to the Darkside. The symbiosis, has been altered so to speak, to feed the Darkside.

However, this is why there?s a very little spark inside him, that remains when Padme releases herself from life. Her death, in a way ?completed? his fall, yet kept a beacon inside.

So in essence (to the point of losing to Obi Wan), he's not "all powerful" and succumbs to his overconfidence.

Does that make some sort of viable sense?

 

What so is Padme like the cleaner fish to Anakin's Shark. Symbiotic relationship Jebus tap dancing...well you know the rest.

 

Yes. It helps explain why Obi-Wan, who never even gave Dooku a decent fight, manages to beat an overconfident Anakin, who doesn't yet realize that one of his supports is being cut from under him.

 

She didn't know Anakin turned

 

Have any of you questioned the scene when Palpatine tells Anakin that only one has achieved the power to save the ones he loved from dying (or something like that). Then when Anakin turns to the dark side Palpatine tells him that together they may find the way to save Padme. I think that Anakin unconsciously knew already how to use that power and was using it on Padme. Though, because he didn't know that he already had it, he listened to Palpatine and turn to the dark side killing Padme when he ceased to be Anakin to become Vader.

 

Deek:

Quoted from another board:

Padme and Anakin have a strong force bond (Like Luke and Leia but different.) Even thought Padme isn't Force sensitive, they connect through the Force when Anakin is brooding in the Jedi Temple. This bond drains energy from Padme to Anakin. At the end it is only through the energy of Padme that Vader lives. She feels him pulling her life from her... and she FREELY GIVES IT. Because she loves him.

That is why she says she knows there is still good in him. (Her life ended and was subsumed within his)
That is why Vader says that he felt her.
That is why Palpy says Vader killed her.


That is why her death had a purpose and was not mere suicide.
And that is why the prophecy is fulfilled, Luke redeems Vader, and the Emperor is destroyed.
Padme is a "passive hero." (There have been other important passive heros in history, just not many in the movies.)

I just read this but actually this makes a lot of sense to me. I really like this analysis or sort of explanation towards her death.

 

Thanks! I saw ROTS again last week and am more convinced that this is a valid interpretation. Given the choice of the available valid interpretations, this one seems to me to have the most meaning. So this is the one I choose.

 

i definitely believe GL was making the point that they were somehow tied together with more than just an emotional bond. Your points are valid IMO

 

Maybe she gave birth to the life that brung blance

 

[Deek:

I think your explanation is absolutely magnificent up until this point:

"That is why her death had a purpose and was not mere suicide.
And that is why the prophecy is fulfilled, Luke redeems Vader, and the Emperor is destroyed.
Padme is a "passive hero." (There have been other important passive heros in history, just not many in the movies.)"

The problem I'm having is that Paly didn't die, he tranfers his energy elsewhere and is still alive somewhere in the galaxy waiting for the right time to strike. So, it kind of leads me to think, is the force really balanced? How can it be balanced if he is still alive? Is anybody else having trouble with this?