Tahiri - How does she measure?

None the less I'd enjoy reading about her getting shot out of an air lock. But then I'm the vindictive sort.

And if Jag has the respect he claims to have had for Pellaeon I'm afraid that Tahiri won't be very welcome as an Imperial Knight. I don't see how she'd be a good choice in that regard.

 

Perhaps, but if you feel that's that's true, then what do you think about Daala's reasons for waiting so long to set the wheels in motion?

 

The difference being that while Tahiri might have a lick of common sense, Daala is just insane.

 

Believe me, I do not at all disagree with you on that.

 

It depends on the illustration.

 

She?s average.
Leia would have taken her head off if it wasn?t for Han.
Jaina & Mirta would have killed her had Jacen not bailed her out.
She captured Ben, but he escaped and knocked her out cold.
The duel in which Ben gets the better of her should be ignored as she was fighting recklessly, not really trying to kill him and maybe even trying to get herself killed.
Seff Hellin (who I think is probably one of the stronger knights) embarrassed her rather easily in their confrontation.
The only reason I suspect that Jacen wanted her as an apprentice is because she would be easily to manipulate.

Intelligence = Average

Wisdom = Low

Skills = Jedi Knight Level

Strength with the force = Good

 

I'm sorry, but I have to laugh every time I see this. This, my friend, is one of the more idiotic "retcons" Del Rey has brought us since getting the license. See, I grew up in the Bantam era, and Leia was pretty damn formidable, easily the equal of, or superior to, the majority of OJO Knights. Sure, she didn't focus on her training a lot, but then, Luke didn't either in the films. They're just gifted. They learn FAST when they DO focus on it.

I mean, Leia won a duel with a Hutt Dark Jedi. Now, Hutts can be pretty damn fast and agile when they want to be, and in addition to Beldorion's lightsaber, Leia also had the usual Hutt blink-at-the-wrong-time-and-it'll-crush-ya tail to worry about. Remember, Hutt tails can basically total landspeeders with a single swipe.

And Leia basically dominated the fight.

Heck, she was also instrumental in defeating the reborn Emperor in Dark Empire, not with her lightsaber but through adding her power in the Force to Luke's.

Really, this idea that Leia only became a Knight as of Dark Nest is just sheer idiocy. She was Knight level LONG before then.

*ahem* Anyways, that rant aside, and getting back on-topic, I think Tahiri's probably in the top 80%, easy. She's no slouch- no YVW survivor would be.

 

If she were in the Order, she would likely be ranked among the top Knights. Sadly, she has been misused. She used to be one of my favorites, until she murdered one of my other favorites. I am unsure if I can ever like her again. Dispite my intense dislike of Daala, I am almost hoping that she suceeds in convicting Tahiri.

 

TBH, thinking of "Padawan -- Knight -- Master" as ranks of skill doesn't make a great deal of sense. They're badges of maturity more than anything else. In AotC, Padawan Anakin was likely more than a match for the majority of the Order's Jedi Masters in a straight up fight -- but "wars not make one great", and all that.

So "Jedi Knight level" always makes me cock an eyebrow. At the level of which Jedi Knight?

 

While I agree with your feeling on the matter, Uli...just the nature of the titles has an investment of "rank"...either by experience or responsibility that have much more to do with training and skill then age.

What we need to do is detach the notion of the ranks being an advancement road...not all Padawans will stay Padawans or become Knights...on the contrary, the title of Padawan seems to indicate a transition period for a young Jedi with aspirations of Knighthood...It's almost like it's more analogous to "candidate" then it is to "apprentice", which has long been what Padawan has been inferred to mean.

Knights and Masters...young masters, old knights...there is no progression there...these are ranks.

The uneasy feeling we share, Uli, isn't about the ranks...but the notion that the Jedi use these titles as tools of authority just like the rest of the galaxy, instead of having an order wide understanding of responsibility, hierarchy, leadership, and guidance the force could provide them.

Why anyone outside the walls of the Temple would have reason to know or care what "rank" a Jedi is only serves to divide the Jedi...what rank is suitable to meet a Chancellor...a Senator...a Queen...Jedi by their very teaching should disregard such things, but increasingly, we see they take to it, less like a monastic order, and more like a para-military peacekeeping force.

Or maybe that's just me.

 

I've yet to see Leia do anything besides barley manage to throw her lightsaber in TTT how far could she have advanced before Darknest?

Also with Ventress in all the fights i've seen when occasionally watching clone wars I don't think Obi-Wan ever really tried to kill her, just seems like he beats her until she runs away. Same with one I saw with Yoda they always seem to be trying to redeem her imo.

Also I don't know how hard Tahiri fell, but is it possible that she just wasn't soley convinced of the Dark Side? There are times when all of the Jedi seem like they are on the other side when thinking of Anakin Solo in several occasions and Corran Horn a couple times. No wonder some Jedi fall when it really doesn't take that much apparently.

 

I totally agree with this but I have hope that we can like Tahiri again. It is possible. It just takes a writer to take a personal interest in her. There has to be a moment of epiphany for her. The writers have to care for her enough to let her have that moment. She was a really compelling character in the NJO. I think her unique past could be very useful. She's had a horrible past. A lousy childhood. She was tortured as a kid by the Vong. And she seemed to rebound from all of it. It was the death of Anakin, a death that I think even the most ardent Anakin Solo fans have gotten over that has crippled her character. That alone. I could see her as a unique knight on par with Raynar Thul. Both Jedi have been through more than their contemporaries. I could see Tahiri useful in dealing with Vestara. I don't think they're too dissimilar.

Most of the Jedi masters of the NJO are fairly boring. They don't seem to think "out of the box" often. And the younger knights are worse. I think with a modicum of care, Tahiri could be one serious force to reckon with. I hope that is the plan for her anyway.

 

she is not as powerful as she should be. i loved the character in the njo, but it went down hill ever since. she got her butt handed to her by leia in my opinion in Inferno. with her major tolerance to pain, and her myriad of skills and backgrounds she should be pretty much jaina level, and is not.


here is where i put the current jedi

1. Luke
2. this was jacen, but now i am seeing Kyp here
3. Jaina ( i see her leap frogging kyp soon.)
4. Saba
5. Corran
6. Raynar
7. Kam
8. Kenth
9. Ben ( i see ben jumping up this list to number 2 by the time he is 21)
10. Octa
11. Tahiri
12. Cligail
13. seff
14. Valin
15. Jysella

everyone else.

 

Umm... she did some pretty awesome stuff in Dark Empire and pretty much owned Beldorion in Planet of Twilight? Not to mention Luke KNIGHTED her in the first Corellian Trilogy book?

Also... Leia does not need the Force to kick butt. She's been fighting most of her life. Remember the OT? Remember her never missing a shot, withstanding three straight days of torture by Darth Vader and an interrogation droid and then taking over her rescue?

 

It was LEIA who wanted to be trained more in Dark Nest, Luke said she didn't need it.

 

I always saw Tahiri as the next "Mara".
Now before you scoff at this think about it...
She has a skill set outside of just being a Jedi, and an ability to to perceive the galaxy as something other than Jedi.
These were both things that Mara had as well and it brought a lot of balance to Luke...and thus the Order.
Tahiri if Anakin had lived would have probably filled the same sort of role, however since she is missing her other half...it begs the question of whether or not she'll ever really reach her full potential, or if she'll always be some what handicapped because of his death.
So overall I believe she has always been very powerful in the Force, her potential I think was right up there with Solo kids, Kyp and the like...but because of the choices she's made, and the things that have h append to her to impede her training...I don't think she'll ever really play that sort leadership roll.

 

del rey destroyed tahiri's character a long time ago

 

Tahiri has been fighting All her life aswell, The fact that she survived the Suicide mission to stop the voxyn showes her skill.

Combined with the fact that Tahiri is in her prime, the only reason Tahiri lost to Leia is because she Got JOBBED. Their is no way Leia should be able to stand against a front line fighter from the Yuuzahn Vong war who is in their prime.

 

I would argue actually that her survival from that mission was less a testament to her skill and more to Anakin's love. Yes, she is skilled, but the fact of the matter is that she survived because Anakin wanted - needed - her to.

I'm just thinking about the Nuremburg trials and about the issue they had on whether or not "I was obeying orders" was a justifiable defense. Arguably, the foot soldier who's told to gun down civilians, while actually committing murder, will receive no penalty, and the General or President or whatever at the top, who signed the order or who agreed to the gun-down-the-civilians policy, will be tried as a war criminal and hanged/shot. But it's a blurry line as to who in the middle would also be tried and who would be automatically innocent.

As for Tahiri, I'm thinking that she might not be criminally responsible. She was corrupted by her Master (not of sound mind), she had the lowest possible rank for an officer in the GAG (a Lieutenant given direct orders from a Colonel who happened to be Chief of State), etc. Though of course there were other factors. The Imperial Remnant wasn't at war with the Galactic Alliance. Pellaeon was unarmed, and was a diplomatically-sensitive target (de facto Head of State and meeting diplomatically with a GA representative). All I'm saying is that, in real life, if she was Tried In A Court Of Law By A Jury Of Her Peers, then I'd bet it would be a hung jury. Or at minimum they'd take a few days to talk it over. My point is that it wouldn't be an easy decision.

 

Honestly I don't recal Anakin assisting her much Voxyn mission, she seemed to handle the mission well enough.

 

Okay I'll concede to Leia being good without the force, but TTT she still seemed to be struggling pretty bad throwing her saber. Can't really argue against the other points, but I need to get to a book where she does something again besides saving refugees. Did she do anything in Balance Point?

Anyway I gotta look up flow walking again, I agree that she needs to be taught it to break her free or let her see Anakins force ghost or something, because I'll agree Mara helps alot with Luke. Luke for me is sometimes to passive and deep in thought and Mara helps to relieve some of that.

 

I'm really disappointed that the writers have dragged Tahiri's grieving this long. I really want some closure on this. It's about time. Now it's just plain embarrassing. This woman has so much potential. I have heard there is a FOTJ book coming up with Tahiri on the cover, and I'm hoping it will pick up her character and not leave it in the dumps.

 

Anakin gave his life to spare the whole team. I'd call that a major assist.

 

QFT.

 

Really I recal, he was fatally injured saving his sister, The team stumbled upon a voxyn genetic samples bing sent out, Since thousands to voxyn could be made from them, they attacked it, it was too well defended or a Trap I forget which right now. they fell back but Anakin elected to remain behind because he was

Dying.

Holding the team back.

ect.

Then Anakin whent supersayin then Grenaded the sample/cargo befor succuming to his injuries.

That dosen't seem like he was assisting her specificly.

also Alot of Jedi died defendin the team. The Bith Jedi actually allowing the team to even land in the first place. Whats your point?