Technique to block lightsaber strike with bare hands? See this footage.

I had forgotten about that. But it still doesn't sell "lightning" to me. How many other Force abilities use a lightning effect? Look at KOTOR game and even Cade's healing ability. Just going by image and not reading the text it's lightning. Joseph Campbell would say don't get caught up in the metaphor. Or how about some people can't see the forest for the trees.

 

Remember Jacen's "Blind Fury" lightning in "Traitor". It burned his own plams, He could not sense the Yuuzahn vong to so he should not create the Circut to discharge the power of his lightning.

Of cource this is opposed to Jaina and Lomi plo who had no trouble frying vong with Dark lightining.

Jacen's may have simply been more in the family of true lightning than "Black Lightning" but both have a similar Effect.

The force that mutiple techniques are capable of generating "Lightning plasma" should tell you something substantial is moving fast enough to turn air into plasma.

 

I haven't been following the official Old Republic thread as of late so I'm wondering if she has ever been confirmed to be Satele Shan? Because umm I think the odds of her starting with a single blade then changing to double and then back to single during war time are slim to none. Oh and not to mention the fact that Satele has green eyes with reddish brown hair yet the Female Jedi in this video has blue eyes with black hair...

 

I never tire of watching that trailer...

The saber absorption was the icing on the cake... it always makes me pleased to see the Jedi of old living up to the same standards as the Sith of legend are often described as being (think Kreia's drooling over Tulak Hord). As for the problems it may or may not cause...? *shrugs*

It's the magic two words...

...Dark Age.

It answers everything every time.

Nevertheless...

...while I haven't had a problem with the trailer, I actually really like that take, dewback. I hadn't even considered that before... but linking it in with Vodo would be a really nice touch.

Heck, it's hard to go wrong with Vodo references... I'll take any excuse to bring up Vodo. I like Vodo, as you can tell. Hence why I keep repeating the name Vodo.

 

I'm mostly sure its been confirmed that that's Satele Shan. Which doesn't quite make sense as Satele looks pretty different in the first web-comic and in her official bio on the main site (and those two pictures do look like the same person at different ages). But oh well, they probably just changed their minds, and now she does look more like a descendant of Bastilla Shan.

Hm, Force strengthened glove, just like how Vodo Baas's staff was able to stand up to a normal lightsaber, now there's an idea. Or we could always just say the glove was made out of cortosis or phrik or something else that's light-saber resistant. Although the trailer's intent is probably that she just used the Force. I'm slightly annoyed at how powerful a technique that is that will probably never show up in any other era. Definitely never in the same century as the movies, unfortunately (not like we'll ever see Luke or Anakin do something that cool). But yeah, the Dark Age solves most of those problems.

 

Given that GreyJedi posted a link to the umbrella term, he has no excuse to use the name for the spell shield when referring to the energy shield. If there is a distinction to be made within Tutaminis, is is between those two applications. And near as I know, all different versions of absorption/deflection make a mechanical distinction between the two, with almost zero overlap.

It isn't that I'm trying to be pedantic, it is that he attempts to strengthen the correlation between absorbing Lightning and absorbing lightsabers by giving one category the name of another. Also, if some source had made the silly error of referring to Force Absorb as a blaster deflector, I'd want to know so I could rant about it.

Source me?

See, you get it. And that is where the distinction still matters. Spell shield vs energy shield.

Don't make me source it, cause I sadly can't, but near as I know, the saber shrug was due to the armor being enhanced with Sith Alchemy. And speaking of the EU running with things, wasn't the whole glove of Darth Vader thingie inspired by the very blaster deflection that also spawned Energy Resistance? Meaning the EU ran with both the Force and the armor as a logical conclusion to this.

 

*shudders*

I'd really prefer that the plot convenience worked to our advantage once in a while, so that Force Weapon for some irrational reason was limited to weapons. Cause if we go with the rational solution that it just needs to be a physical object, next time we'll be seeing Vodo tanking saber blows with his face, also a physical object.

Hey, while I'll give you its saber resistance, the rest of your analysis ignores a good deal of continuity. Nyx cutting a B1 up with a metal sword (Starfighter: Crossbones), various Jedi, Senators and clones kicking and punching battle droids down with their fists and feet, armored or not (TPM, TCW), Ani kicking down a metal door with his foot (TCW), Ani knocking out a droid with its own rifle (TCW). This is the wrong franchise for softer materials beating harder ones being attributed to the Force rather than plot.

 

"Spell shields" and "energy shields" are game ideas, not in universe udeas.

Jedi don't cast spells. If a Jedi throws energy at someone, all that person can do is deflect, absorb or dissapate the energy, they can't "cancel the spell".

Its not really an "umbrella term", its the only in universe term we've been given. I haven't read the source that "Tutaminis" comes from, but I don't see why it needs to be made distinct.

Negate Energy is from the Saga Edition Core rulebook.

Energy resistance appears in the KotOR games and the KotOR Campaign Guide.

But they're game mechanics. Saga Edition lets you use Rebuke to block and reflect telekinesis (both as thrown objects and shockwaves) and force lightning, which should need completely differant techniques in universe. Its one of the better bits of game design in Saga Edition.

No, it doesn't matter. Not at all.

Darth Vader clearly deflects that blaster bolt, it hits the wall. KotOR 2 has a power that lets you use your bare hands for that as well as energy resistance.

 

Well that is expected from the clones. In the Hope trailer, a Trooper takes a granade to the face and still gets up. Emp or not After what it did to his armor and face, he should not have a hand... let alone be able to use his. I suppose like in Mass Effect genetic augmentation is standard for front line soilders in the Galaxy Far Far Away.

I have never seen a senetor puch a battle droid, I mean the big grey ones, not the small Tan "Roger,Roger" ones that fall apart with a stern glance.

 

Oh, it exists. Commenting on it as ludicrous kinda requires that. Hopefully you didin't somehow manage to read my post as a challenge to its existence, cause there is really no basis for that.

Plot convenience. Saber duels are made to look cool and be cool in part because they are super-lethal weapons where you really tend to go down if hit at all. A Force-based defense against it takes something away from that.

There is also the fact that whatever it is that causes lightsabers to require Force use to activate, special crystals, and gives them the ability to cut through most anything, and the dangerous gyroscopic arch-wave effect, presumably means they are somehow different from mere energy swords and knives. Which in turn presumably are the actual equivalents of blasters. That lightsabers are special enough, for thematic or rational reasons, to fall in neither the blaster bolt or Force power categories already established for Tutaminis, as a rationale for why lightsaber duels never feature it.

So yeah, that is why. Cause both thematics and the unique properties of lightsabers give them every reason to fall outside the established precedent. And because violating this simply for trailer shock value, because it can make sense, isn't worth the strange light it sets all other saber duels in.

 

Light-sabers don?t actually require the force to activate, Except those specifically built to be activated with psychokinetic technique. In fact every Modern NJO Jedi?s light-saber has a simple switch or stud.

Han Solo (Luke?s Light-saber), Anja Gallandro (Archaic light-saber) Corrupt Judges (Anakin Solo?s and Tahiri Veila?s Light-sabers which they were using to play fight each other), Leia?s old Light-saber activated by Tsavong Lah. Were all used without active force users.

And Light-saber focusing gem?s are not ?Special? 90% it?s something special to the Force user. Jaina Grew her Light-saber crystal, there was Anakin Solo?s Lambant crystal which he cultivated as a vong prisoner. jacen Solo's was built around an emerald ?Corusca? gem he used to escape the shadow academy, and presented as a gift to his mother. Who in turn told him to use if for something else.

?Jino?s? sith light-saber preformed no better than his original, which served him his entire Jedi career.

Lobacca?s crystal is a Data crystal he salvaged from the old Rebel Alliance Base

The Crystals are only used to modulate the laser, that ignites/excites the Tabana-gas which crates the plasma in the blade. Other than that there is nothing special about light-saber crystal. Unless it is a rare force enhancing Gem.

The only thing required from the ?Force? is the ?Force sheath? used the keep the thing from being Telekinetically manipulated (The mechanical apparatus?) by hostile force users. And to keep track of the ?Weightless Blade? so Jedi or Sith or Jensarrai don?t accidentally lop their own or their allies body parts off.

What allows them to shut through anything is the immense heat generated by the blade and Contained by the swords magnetic fields.

As Mace Windu found out in Shatterpoint, The hull of a Pre-shield technology ship who?s super conductive armor is designed to Spread out and rapidly disperse heat can easily be used to resist light-saber strikes, Unless you use a Consistent long connecting thrust to heat up the entire ?plate? so the whole thing melts. And Windu found that extremely difficult to pull of .

 

I used to think Force Orbs were a pretty obscure thing. But Starkiller's Force Hadouken seems to have spread around already...

Not to mention Lightning Shield. I've never seen that one outside TFU. But IIRC the TOR Sith Inquisitor possesses it as a generic ability.

Cade's supposedly unique Force Resurrect has what is damn near a mirror image in KotOR's Force Revitalize.

Palp's Transfer Essence? Jup, Bane got it.

Old Jedi Battle Meditation? Transported to both the OJO and the NJO eras.

Arca's Droid Disable/Ionize? Ani does that stuff like nobody's business.

Force Illusions? Nope, Poof knows it.

Quin's Psychometry? Obi and Quigs knows it, just not to the same degree. And one of the RPG's allow any character from any era to view thousands of years into the past.

Those dark tendrils used by Kyp/Kun? Zannah seems to posses the same.

At this point, it seems Sever Force is among the few powers specific to the Old Republic "Dark Ages" in existence. And if I'm not mistaken, even it had a lesser variant available to any RPG character.


My point being: Rare means jack. And time period means jack. Cool Force powers with mainstream exposure are in all likelihood going to be spread to other eras and characters just for the heck of it. Think those creators are gonna care whether we think it should be rare or not? Spreading it around wouldn't even be a discrepancy. The only think having barred this before was the fact that it didn't exist, and made no sense in light of the movies. All BioWare has done here, is open a can of worms. An ugly one.

 

You realise ever Ability you mentiond is sperated by thousands of years of practiciting Jedi and sith.

Even if Battle Meditation, is rediscoverd by the NJO, They tend to perfer battle meld. all most none of the modern characters uses it, and they sure as hell don't use it regularly. The only post Rusarian reformation Jedi I have ever witnessed using it was the Bearded Naga jedi, and it sure as hell didn't save him from Sora Bulq, so it is hardly and I win button or even useful in most situations.

 

If Jedi can do all these things, then how in the world did Order 66 succeed??? This is why video games need their own separate little Australia-like continent in continuity. They do nothing for the EU except contribute story.

And I have never heard of a lightsaber having or ever needing Tabana-gas, let alone the Force to control the blade length. Like it was said, Solo used Luke's blade. How did that happen if you need the Force to hold it all together? I've only read that lightsaber need to self charge or sit in some kind of cradle like a cellphone to charge.

 

Quinlan Vos' Psychometry is a "racial" ability that is enhanced by his Force sensitivity. It's not something Obi Wan could learn to use.

 

PoD says virtually all Jedi and Sith learn to erect anti-Force barriers before duels. Yet there is scant reason to think this means they all can absorb blaster bolts, or worse, lightsabers. When you then add my perception that even game mechanics consistently divide the two categories, that should be reason enough. Given that Force use is learned through techniques rather than "I want Force do this = effect".

A bit iffy that it would allow the deflection of thrown objects, but from a mechanics simplicity standpoint, I can see it. TK and Lightning being resisted by the same makes perfect sense per everything I know. Even the TK throw makes a certain kind of sense. If we assume Ysalamiri can't be circumvented by simply throwing a stone through the bubble, it could be argued that it would fall down immediately upon hitting it. Same rationale can then be used for the anti-Force barrier.

 

Amidala in TCW's Bombad Jedi. If material hardness is supposed to matter the way it would in RL, even the B1 needs to be acknowledged as a piece of durasteel. This is acknowledged even IU. The opening battle of Christophsis in the TCW movie has a clone attempt to punch a B1, seemingly breaking his hand doing so. Cody does the same twice in the same battle, and they fall like wheat before a scythe.

I love that scene for that alone: It shamelessly demonstrates the plot servitude of this universe, by having two clones of the same man, wearing the same protection, do vastly different when faced with the laws of physics, in the same scene of the same source!

 

I was referring to the final crystal adjustment and charging of the power cell, per the EGttF. Maybe the crystal attunement as well, though I'm presently not sure whether it has been retconned away or not.

...you nitpicker.

Had actually never heard of this before. Cool, I guess. Unnecessary when one has plot shields and anti-Force barriers, but cool nevertheless.

 

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That was my point, which even if you had missed the apparent meaning of Zor's Dark Ages argument above, should have been clear from my post. I read him thus: "Satele can do whatever she wants without it disrupting other saber duels, because the technique can be lost over time". Which my post addressed by pointing out your above observation, that they were separated by thousands of years of Jedi and Sith. And thus that what is done in one era, can and prolly will, be done in others.

 

Your point is that as a racial ability, it should be unique. Which I agree with to some extent. But in line with my argument for powers spreading, Obi and Quigs could do it too. In Darth Maul: Shadow Hunter, Padawan Obi does this to a crime scene, but is hampered by the amount of time having passed, but muses that Quigs prolly could have done it. Not named psychometry, but naming convention is really besides the point.

 

That grenade was quite underpowered, scarring the troopers face a bit and singing both his and the Sith's armor. Maybe it was a flashbang?

 

I will end my discussion of this topic with what Kreia said in Kotor II: "Nothing is impossible with the force."

 

Yes, and the EU seems determined to prove her right...unless that comment was based on what the EU has done to the Force to begin with.

I mean, if Satele-lookalike can freeze a lightsaber with a touch, those Benders from JATM can add flame properties to their mind blasts and TK orbs, and Charal can transmute her body into that of a Raven, then you know we have left the OT and entered the Forgotten Realms...

 

Much like I was tempted to point out on the General Nevar thread the other day: if only it were that easy to always put the blame on video games.

These problems -- continuity gaffs over the Battle of Hoth or inflated Force powers -- have been around long before TOR or TFU. The only difference is that whereas people were happy just to shrug and not care before, the moment it's in a good looking trailer or action game, suddenly people seem to start paying attention. I always feel it rather unfair, though, to pin the blame on BioWare or LucasArts, when WEG and WOTC have been doing these things for YEARS. Just because nobody paid notice before doesn't mean it's something that Drew Karpyshyn or Haden Blackman have suddenly come up with.

Fancy Force powers that could have been in the films but weren't have been around since DE or TOTJ -- neither are a video game.

 

In my defense, I'm not saying it can be used to keep the user from being cut in half by a physical object. But something external to the user itself? IE, a certain article of clothing (such as one glove at a time)? How is that any different to a weapon?