Mini Series The Acolyte 1.03 - Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed)

I would also recommend to you to point out which of those things show remorse and/or guilt. None of them.

Really now? Indara's lost look reveals that she must have done something that she regrets on Brendok? And then the fact that she paused for 1 second also supports that?

PS. How is it wrong to be prepared to do what must be done if innocent lives are threatened? I did not see any hesitation in Indara's actions after Mae said that. Also, she literally used her lightsaber only for defense.

The one most exhausting thing on these forums is how people will support any and every argument based on a whole lot of nothing. Three posts on the same non existent point. I'm done, you guys feel free to provide an "argument" in response and I'll just leave it be.

 

I am hoping the Jedi did nothing outright wrong/evil. I could see them feeling responsible for Mae's actions by not taking her mental state into account....or that there was some provocation by the witches. But to have the Jedi go full on hit squad with no provocation just doesn't seem right to me.

It is possible that Torbin was somehow mind controlled and killed the witches or something. Even if he was not responsible for his actions...he could still feel guilt over that.

 

Indara was more cold and direct to the Witches and adult Mae. This incident only seems to affect her Padawan Torbin and the wokkie Jedi Kelnacca. Indara and Sol moved on.

 

As you said, Osha empathizes with Sol. Meaning she puts herself in his shoes and feels what he feels. And then she says “it’s not your fault.” Implying that Sol feels he was at fault for what happened. Therefore, Sol feels guilt. And this concludes this episode of Obvious Observations.

 

No, the Jedi already know the children were being trained -- Osha tells them so. She asks Mother Aniseya for permission to show the Jedi what she had been taught, i.e., trained to do.

So that issue has nothing to do with why the Jedi want to test the girls. They want to test the girls to see if they could become Jedi.

The episode literally tells us nothing about what the Jedi would do if the Mothers said No and Osha said, Yes.

However, the witches think that the Jedi will take the girls no matter what if they pass the test. They could be wrong about that, but it's the whole reason they order the girls to lie.

And the episode does portray the Jedi as rule breakers here -- they should not even be bothering this community because they are not part of the Republic. So they are pressuring this community outside of the law. It makes sense that the witches might perceive, rightly or wrongly, that the Jedi will take the girls if they want to.

Of course, I assume the Jedi would only take the girls if they want to become Jedi, but I am in doubt about whether they really care what the Coven thinks.

Keep in mind, they seem to understand that the Coven uses the darkside. So it's hard to say if they would leave children there to be trained in the darkside.

Yes, things are very up in the air here as to how things would actually play out.

 

This may be the most important point. Misunderstandings and mistrust between two religions groups that lead to dishonest and then violent confrontation.

 

Agreed!

I think this is tragically what we will see unfold in the next episodes.

Although I'm not a huge fan of the dialogue in this episode, the overall story is pretty compelling, IMO.

 

For the guy to kill himself the jedi must have a been more to blame in it. Because if its a confrontation and it becomes self-defence then there is no reason to feel that type of guilt. Unless you expect to never be in a situation where you would be in a confrontation. Which would make him more soft than anything. And it would almost make the reveal rather soft to if its just the witches attack the jedi and they are forced to kill the witches. Which also sounds too kind to the jedi.

But then the Jedi don't kill out of Malus, so you would imagine they would kill to put a stop to something. And I don't see the lesbian witches who show that women can raise a child without a man being made to look bad.

 

The Jedi shouldn’t look bad, they are the good guys. I’m not counting dark Jedi here either.

Showing they have flaws/make mistakes, sure…

Got that in the PT, TCW and Luke in TLJ.

But there is sure a far cry from having flaws and murdering people.

If the Jedi actually committed murder….then I don’t know what the powers that be are thinking. It’s like they would be trying to prove to the audience that this show is crap.

Can’t we have a live action series that not only shows the Jedi Order in their prime, but also focus them as the good guys? Is that to much to ask for?

 

What's up with the lesbian space witches thing? Why do you keep calling them that every time?

 

If you focus on the jedi order, you must see their flaws as an Institution. The Jedi individual are good but as an institution there are big flaws. But they are not cold blood murderers, of Force cults.

 

Because I think there is more of a message there than people might think. When it comes to the egg shells it drops that you obviously need to walk around. I don’t think they will make these witches look bad even if they do use the dark side. I don’t think they would pick the Jedi to look better over them. And yeah it’s because they are a society of women who created children to raise for themselves. Like how it’s important to say you can have the same sex parents and raise a child. And it’s important that you don’t in some way reflect that wrong with a bad message.

So I say it, because I think it might be more important to the decision moving forward.

 

The last episode has already given us a reason why the Jedi might decide to destroy the coven.

Mother Koril raises the question of what would the Jedi do if they were to discover how the girls were created?

The Jedi's hand might be forced if they learn that children are being created through the darkside. I bet the Order has a principle that such practices are outlawed and the practitioners must be destroyed.

Also, I expect that the Jedi will get pushed into the conflict either by Mother Koril or even perhaps by a Sith presence that hasn't yet been revealed.

 

Well if the intent was to make the coven NOT look bad…that was not really successful…was pretty obvious to me it wasn’t depicted as a legitimate and all giggles group… what I saw what something that looked quite problematic il even if nuanced in its layers…
… but we will see…

 

Was it intentional though? Obviously we want to think the Jedi feel something is wrong and think they are doing good for perhaps the children. But it doesn’t look good as a concept does it? When the witches are sorta fighting to keep their children.

 

I don't think the situation is black and white. Neither the Jedi nor the Coven come off very well, IMO.

 

One can show they do have flaws, while having the organization overall be a force of good.

“For over a thousand generations the Jedi knights were guardians of peace and justice in the old republic”.

Without the jedi, the Republic would have fallen along time ago and the galaxy in chaos from the Sith or other threats.

I just want to see them more in a positive light in live action than what Disney has given us.

 

They are a force for good but to some dark side cults, they are enemies.

 

Guardians of peace and justice does not mean that they were perfect. As we can see in our own world, guardians often make devastating mistakes, like killing the wrong people or overreacting in general.

People make too much of this statement above to equate to some kind of statement about the Jedi being perfectly good. It does not mean that at all.

 

Ohhhh. I see now. Disney has an agenda to project and protect, is that Daxon? Gotcha.

Their sexual orientation is meaningless to the story. It doesn't factor in. So your repeated use of this label, is clearly a dig. And clearly you think they won't be shown as evil because of this, which you seem to think is because they can't in anyway be seen as wrong or bad (again, because of the deeper message in the story).

Simply put, they are a coven of Witches who are using the dark side, because they have a different belief system than the Jedi. Some in their group see the harm, even though they believe in a bigger picture of the Force/Thread. They might have even aligned with the Sith to create the children in unnatural ways, so as to further their Coven's survival. Much like Anakin who decided to use the dark side because he wanted to make sure someone he loved, also survived.

 

I know they are not perfect, I just want to see more of the Jedis good side then what we have gotten so far.

 

Did you watch Ahsoka and Kenobi?

 

That wasn't a great example. Considering what happened with him.

 

Thats more suited for a show about individual jedi and not focus on the institution.