Mini Series The Acolyte 1.03 - Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed)

Well there is a difference between something that was not included and something that was included but not confirmed.

Its a bit like ROTS and what they did with jannah and Lando. Originally she was meant to be his daughter. they took that mention out and now you just have a scene of Lando showing extra interest in this much younger girl for unknown reasons. But ultimately you can probably still guess she is meant to be his daughter as expanded canon still claims his daughter was stolen from him.

Because we didn't see his birth. there is nothing that links the force to his birth either. with this non-confirmed element you might aswell say Anakins mother was lying and fill in her backstory with a drunken night at the bar that she doesn't remember and Qui-Gon just really wanted to believe what she said was true.

Well it is hinted. its exactly meant to be a hint. Thats why Palpatine looks at anakin as says it. that's both very subtle for lucas and on the nose at the same time. Anakin doesn't acknowledge it because he doesn't see what Palpatine is saying but its noticeable to us if we remember that anakin did not have a father. It was in no way meant to be something to convince anakin because quite clearly it went over Anakins head.

I think If lucas wanted things to be more aimed at the force did it alone, then he would have cut that line out altogether because as said, Anakin did not get it, seem to care or have any interest until Palpatine said about stopping people dying. So it failed as an attempt to get in his head and ended up getting in fans heads more so. Which is probably where it was meant to go.

 

Not really no. It's demonstrably objective fact that the dialogue in ROTS establishes that the Sith have the ability to "create life", or at least that is what Palpatine explicitly states. Whether Palpatine is lying or not is largely academic, because by implication that inference is drawn directly from Palpatine's dialogue (read George Lucas' dialogue)... which is why I specifically used the word 'inferred'.

 

Yeah I thought I ended up in the wrong thread section for a moment

 

Given the last episode, I suspect this must have something to do with the witches ability to ‘create life’, and the wider connotations for that… as that’s a direct link to both the Chosen One and Plagueis. So rather than contradicting established canon, Headland may in fact be giving us the origin of that plot point from the prequels? It could be the Sith are experimenting with creating a perfect Sith… or watching out for the Chosen One… or indeed it could turn into a Palpatine origin story (with his background retconned a little).[/QUOTE]
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I have wondered if this series might, eventually, end with us seeing a young Palpatine.

P.S. Managed to mess-up the quote there!

 

I don’t think we’ll see Palpatine… as he’s not 100 in TPM, but if the show gets a 2nd season, then it could well morph into a Palps story.

 

Seems like the most probable variant to me, maybe it will somewhat overlap with Tenebrous' story from the EU, since he knew about the Chosen One beforehand and had plans on him.

 

Palpatine is born something like 50 years after this show

 

“SOMEHOW Palpatine was born early”

 

Doesn’t this show take place 87 years before TPM. Doesn’t Palpatine appear to be like 50 in that movie? If my math is right, that means he’s born around 37 years or so after this show (assuming his age is accurate).

I always liked the theory that Palpatine was using the force to somehow hide his age throughout the PT.

 

The thread got Daxon’d

 

Forgot to add my two cents when they were still relevant but, for the record, I liked this episode. Gave it a solid eight in the poll. One point less than the opening pair, but only because I'm an action addict, so wanted Force-Fu every week. Was pretty bold to go full flashback so early, and not pepper bits and pieces of mystery-solving context throughout the entire run. That being said, it was clearly edited in such a way as to hide the whole story. That single lamp did not burn down the entire settlement, for example, and it's debatable whether Mae was even the one to smash it on the floor. I think she just wanted to burn the diary.

Interesting seeing the coven and a different interpretation of the Force; really adds to the texture of the GFFA, and prevents it from feeling too small (as it so often does whenever new projects circle the same characters, organisations, or timeframes). I also liked how there were moments where Mother Aniseya and her sisters seemed relatively sweet, chill, and balanced, and then suddenly they're all strict, paranoid, chanting, and being intentionally cringe.

Made 'em all feel suitably unsettling and weird, like... oh, I dunno, like a bunch of witches.

Lee Jung-jae continues to be the cast's MVP, and Jodie Turner-Smith was brilliant, but I found myself missing Jecki and Yord (which was a welcome surprise, seeing as we've "known" them for all of twenty minutes). Also, we've seen quite a fair chunk of trailer footage now, so I'm excited for the unknown tomorrow.

 

Oh I agree but I still won't be surprised if we end up with some version of that as an explanation.

 

We do see during the training scene that their reactor was alread malfunctioning. So while Sol was spying on the kids one or two of the other Jedi likely infiltrated their fortress for sabotage. So at minimum I expect Mae may have genuinely started the fire but Torbin was likely the reason it killed everyone.

 

This would be the BEST shocker if they manage to pull it off. Like finding out that the Palpatine that we know is actually a clone of a Palpatine that existed in the Acolyte era, and was already busy making his grand plan. It would totally retcon the Plagueis novel though... sigh.

On another note: when Trinity said "You can't deny the Jedi have the right to test potential Padawans, with you permission of course"... is it just me that isn't able to make sense of that?

 

It's ironic rhetoric -- the Jedi just broke into their compound. They don't actually care about asking permission.

 

Almost time

 

7/10

This one's a bit tricky. I definitely like the location and general visuals, the score (again), the pacing, and learning about the coven. I like the differences and conflict at different levels: the twins, the Mothers, and the factions. Much as I've liked the fights thus far, this episode shows that they (and ignited lightsabers) aren't needed every time.

I think the training-scene scuffle, at least most of it, could've been more understated, more to do with the writing than the acting. I'm also left wondering how much Osha already knew about the Jedi, going off the drawing, and perhaps whether she'd hoped to meet them by wandering off.

 

I rewatched this episode and liked it more the second time, but I still have big problems with the Jedi's imperialism. I'm still hoping further context/reveals will paint them in a less villainous light because at face value this went too far for my taste. I overall like the show, so I'm willing to reserve judgement until I've seen the entire season and can judge it as a whole.

 

You prove my point. How's that a move beyond the simple good v evil dynamic? It's literally the good v evil dynamic.

 

Anakin is a grey character -- he's both good and evil. He transcends simple binary morality where heroes are always heroes and villains always villains,

 

Like my boy Loki says ( sorry not sorry for switching franchise for a quick quote) " "No One Good Is Ever Truly Good, And No One Bad Is Ever Truly Bad."