Mini Series The Acolyte 1.08 (SEASON FINALE!!!) - Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed)

naw its good

 

You're missing the other critical piece. She doesn't want the Senate to investigate her - and her pupil that went bad and became a Jedi mass murderer.

 

I am not saying the whole order is bad...but every 'important' Jedi character is this show...Sol, Indara, Kelnacca, Torbin and Vernestra are all portrayed very badly. They cover up what happened on Brendok...and after 4 of them are dead Vernestra (obviously someone in authority in the Order) adds to the cover up "to protect the order". And who else would know about Brendok...and at the end about Vernestra's lies to the Senate? Did she lie to Yoda at the end? Or tell him the whole truth and now we have Yoda in on the cover up...for the good of the Order? What about the rest of the council...are they in on it too?

 

Indeed, they look like cosplayers.

Also, I wonder if that senator is on Plagueis payroll.

 

That too. Typing fast here lol.

 

Sorry imho that was really bad, terrible even, and SW loses something from the fact that the Jedi (or even one Jedi) would lie that brazenly. This fundamentally changes the nature of the Jedi order in my eyes. I just can’t go along with it as a creative decision.

 

I thought it was a solid ending but definitely left the door open to a season 2 or another show in this timeline may be a Palpatine origin story. What brought it to another level for me and sold it for me was Darth Plagueis and Yoda!

@Fin McCool
But they didn't all go a long with a lie they didn't all know the truth they were told that Sol and his team but mostly Sol did all the killing of the witches and Jedi they framed Sol whether he was alive or not. This same ignorance and arrogance by the Jedi was there downfall in The Clone Wars...

 

Two, there were.

Which are you talking about?

 

But there are tons of other stories that show there are good Jedi. Those don't just become de-canonized because of one story of these particular Jedi screwing up.

 

Don't question the cover up...or you may have an 'accident'.

 

Speaking of Bazil...why the heck do they need a tracker with all of that technology at their disposal?

Just an excuse to put a character in to sell toys.

 

Why does one or four bad apple Jedi out of the hundreds of thousands or millions of Jedi that have existed across their history = all the Jedi are fundamentally changed? I fundamentally don't understand this attitude. Does Anakin going bad change the entire nature of the Jedi for you? How about Sifo-Dyas?

 

BOTH.

Both the cameo by Yoda and Darth Plaguis felt tacked on. They had nothing to do with the season.

 

Just loving this. I wasn't a fan of the Muun design in any of the EU materials. It always looked so silly. But this is great.

 

Even Buddhist munks have conflicts amongst them. Maybe not as big as things that leads to war but….

You can still believe in the good, and only the good in the Jedi Order and the philosophy behind it, or the foundation that its built on comes with good intentions. Sure that is a fact that can exist even if some Jedis, dont behave like they should. Jedis are also humans. Not Godlike creatures. Humans has flaws. So do Jedis. Conflict also means drama. No drama, no narrative, no story. No film.

 

DP might have had a hand in creating the twins. The Witches mention having some kind of help early on.
Yoda knows about the rule of two. But even if none of the Jedi wise up to the Sith being around now - which even Rwoh doesn't suspect yet - she's there to inform Yoda that the Senate is going to audit the Jedi. That definitely seems like something he might want to hear about

 

Anakin becomes a Sith. He is not a Jedi when he goes bad. In Acolyte, we have actual Jedi, high ranking Jedi, who are all a bunch of morons, incompetent idiots, a-holes, murderers, conspirators. And the real question is: for what reason do the Jedi in Acolyte even do this? External review of the Jedi is bad, because....? Was there any explanation given beyond Vernestra being an annoying, stern a-hole? And that review is needed in the first place, because...? I suppose the fact that the Jedi act as an official diplomatic corps of the Senate and the Republic kinda slipped Headland's mind, I guess? But that Senator thought the Jedi were just a bunch of weird hippies who took their tax money, or something? Something something muh power? I don't get it.

 

No. Anakin is baked in. His fall is pretty much the animating fact of SW itself. And Sifo-Dyas is so incoherent, at least to me, that it’s hard for me to feel anything from it. These last few minutes tonight hit me entirely differently. It’s a different kind of fall and just doesn’t square with my mind’s organizing principles of SW. This broke new ground and in a direction SE didn’t need to go. You clearly don’t see it the same way, and that’s fine.

 

You sure about that?

Or is she there to tell Yoda about her evil still living Padawan and what really happened with Sol??????

 

But when she told the Senate about Sol didn't that prompt that Senator to open a review of the Jedi? Also, It feels more like Vernestra threw Sol under the bus because she doesn't want the Senate to know that her fallen student is running around killing Jedi and teaching people the dark side.

On a related note, in a way Vernestra is only kinda throwing Sol under the bus, right? After all, it was wrong for Sol to get so attached to the twins and wrong for him to try and take them and obviously wrong for him to kill Osha and Mae's mother albeit accidently and Sol's actions did ultimately lead to the deaths of all the Jedi that were on Brendok 16 years ago.

EDIT: More to the point it would be SUPER easy for people to learn that Sol didn't kill Indara because a whole bar full of people witnessed something NOT looking like Sol murdering Indara. Vernestra's story wouldn't hold up. Plus, Sol wasn't in the room with Torbin killed himself. Another flaw in Vernestra's, "Sol killed everybody" story.

 

This series was disappointing. Needed more appearances of the Sith, longer episodes.

I’m tired of the whole “Jedi are flawed” message. We have gotten plenty of it prior and post Disney.

Not sure about the whole “mood swing” lightsaber, sure doesn’t mesh with Anakin keeping a blue lightsaber as he slaughters children.

 

If Anakin wasn't a jedi when he goes bad, what was he?

The Senate doesn't think the Jedi are hippies. They think they have too much authority, clout, secrecy, and no oversight. They don't trust the Jedi to function properly. So they want to audit it. Find out what's in side that the Jedi have been keeping 'internal' all these centuries. What other lies have they kept?

 

I'm going to have to rewatch the series before I have a profound thought. The fight scenes alone made this episode fab. Maybe SW always needed more wire fu. The bleeding light saber nailed it. I think we'll get a season two much faster than they announced for Ahsoka S2.

 

It's based off this book cover:

Star Wars: Darth Plagueis (Star Wars - Legends): Luceno, James: 9780345511294: Amazon.com: Books