Mini Series "The Acolyte" Season 1 Discussion (Spoilers Allowed)

And then Mae comes clean to Sol and reveals that's she is really Mae. Sol becomes horrified that Osha is now with Darth Nameless and both Mae and Sol goes after her. And maybe get some whip-help from Rwol.

 

Yeah, I definitely expect Sol's explanation to challenge Mae's world view, not reinforce what she already believes.

 

I think for Sol to have a dark secret worth telling i think it becomes far less bad if he acted out of self defence. Since you start to feel it wasnt his fault, he did what he did because whatever. While if she forgave him for some bad that he himself knows he messed up because of his actions that may be more powerful if she was to let it go.

Also lets osha say you lied to me now I'm the bad twin muhaha.

And if Sol has to die so keep the sith stuff quiet like people think. They gonna do it with a twist. This is the said sith show after all.

 

I hate to say it, but with all the discourse this show has caused, I’m fairly certain now that Disney is just gonna double down on the Skywalker era and those adjacent characters, as opposed to branching out. Everyone says they want starwars to branch out, and they tried that here, and while it’s been far from perfect, some of the complaints are absurd. Outside of that Jedi origins movie from mangold (assuming it still happens), I doubt we’ll be getting anything else pre-TPM ever again. At least not in live-action.

 

Well people complain about things in the Skywalker saga era also. there is no difference really in what era people complain about.

The funny thing is that this show was the one people were saying ah we get a new era! new stuff and none of that baggage. and ironically somehow there is still baggage from the era.

I guess there will always be baggage. probably even with the Mangold movie.

 

The online discourse doesn't really have anything to do with it not being in the Skywalker era. If anything this show not being in the Skywalker era is one of the reasons people who don't care about the politics are paying as much attention to it as they are

 

I dunno about that. That would send a message that the trolls, haters and review-bombers are meant to be placated or satisfied. And they never will. Even if they make only Skywalker Era content, they'll complain. They're not really complaining about the Acolyte story so much, as WHO is making this show. That's why they've been up in arms about it since last year. And even before last night's episode came out, they were already giving it 1 star reviews.

 

I doubt that. It has good views and hate watching just makes them double down on this show.

 

The grifters and trolls will always exist no matter what from now until the end of days. Hollywood needs to learn how to deal with them constructively. I think for one they need to rethink the press tours. I think half the time most of this stuff can be avoided if everyone just stopped with the constant baiting questions and answers in interviews.


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I don't even watch those things ever. For some reason watching actors talk about themselves, their work, in ha-ha-scripted funny ways is just cringe to me. My spine rolls up. I can't even watch Award Shows for the same reason.

 

To be honest social media platforms need to get involved as well. If they stopped paying money for clicks that would put a lot of these grifters out of business real quick as most of them don't have a base that supports them financially like Star Wars Explained has.

I don't know if YouTube really sees much of a profit from these clickbait artists being on there. If they don't though they could run them off really easily.

 

We are offtopic, but quite a few of the ragebait grifters on Youtube get a lot of views - and that does make youtube money.

The video game ragebaiters might actually be worse then the show/movie ragebaiters.... and those guys get a ton of views (probably because of how massive the video game market is now)

 

The reactions i ussually watch are john campea who has many issues with the show, Kristian harloff who apparently is losing interest in the show and Jeremy jahns who doesn't seem that impressed. I don't think any of these guys are doing it for attention. i don't think they need too with their audience. They are just not impressed with the show. But they also consider themselves fans so there ya go.

 

Jeremy Jahns admits he does it for Money.

 

"They're just not impressed with this show"

HAHA.. Yeah...Sure.

That's putting it very mildly. Hating on the director for a year, before the show even came out has to do with the show not being impressive to them. It's sad that people here are making excuses for these people.

 

Well john, Kristian and Jeremy didn't hate on the director. so this is where that logic doesn't hold it everywhere. Although in general John and Jeremy have not enjoyed much Disney Star Wars. Not sure about Kristian. i think he is more kinder when it comes to not crapping on it.

 

Campea does have a bit of an agenda for current Star Wars to not be good. He was reporting for a long time that he had 'sources' claiming that Kathleen Kennedy was about to be let go. When that didn't happen it did kind of make him look like someone who doesn't know what he is talking about. When YouTubers begin reporting things like that they aren't going to want to turn around and start praising material as they began building up viewers who liked that kind of negativity towards the franchise.

 

Indeed. At the risk of contradicting myself I could also see Mae letting Sol off the hook if it's revealed that the Jedi only did something bad in reaction one of the moms doing something worse.

But as others have said, perhaps Qimir will tell Osha a more twisted version of the events which will then make Osha the bad twin.

 

John feels she needs to go. But he is often very fair saying he feels she is a talented producer but Star Wars just isn't right for her. Campea liked TFA, Rogue One and Andor and the first 2 series of Mando but was more critical of series 3. And he has given her credit for the stuff he does like. He even did a video of 10 things he felt needed to be done to fix Star Wars. He also liked Rebels but didn't like Clone Wars.

There is no agenda. In the end people have their own views on what Star Wars is and often it doesn't match we got.

 

Well she could let him off if she felt how sorry he was. It might be another Reva situation of she will get her revenge... oh she couldn't do it and walked away. She hasn't exactly been written that consistently.

And I think if its like her mother attacked him and tried to kill him, so he killed her, it almost justifies him abit. its self-defence. But if he really is a dead man walking and they need to rogue one him to explain canon, then maybe its not gonna end well for him anyway when it comes to whatever he or they did.

 

No agenda? There are very few YouTubers who don't have one as they are reliant on a certain base of viewers to make them successful on a platform. If that base isn't happy with something the YouTuber will generally make content that they will enjoy.

The YouTubers without an agenda are those that are making videos of their dogs. Virtually no YouTuber who covers pop culture is without a certain agenda.

And why in the world would Campea need to make a video about ten things to fix Star Wars if he wasn't talking to a certain audience that doesn't like current Star Wars?

 

Why did you have to bring up Reva? Reva, the character that assumed that Luke was Darth Vader's son and tried to kill him because she thought it would hurt Darth Vader who didn't know that he had a son, much less that Luke was his son.

 

Because revenge is revenge. She wanted to kill Luke out of revenge in Obi Wan. Presumbaly osha's sister is also killing out of revenge too.

From what I can tell. it bugs him that much to not like Star Wars. Which I think is something that bothers many people.

Again he justifies Andor is the greatest Star Wars since the OT. If he was just hating I'm sure he would hate that too.

 

Regardless it was a video that didn't need to be made if he wasn't speaking to a specific audience. Star Wars is doing just fine. Sure there are people who aren't happy with it now just like there were people who weren't happy with it during the prequels and when RotJ was released. It doesn't need any fixing. For some dumb YouTuber to make videos saying that it does is just them searching for content to make so they can make a few dollars.

 

But he always seems very fair when he discusses SW. He's entitled to (and should) have opinions about what he likes and doesn't like, and I appreciate that he always emphasizes that if he doesn't like something, he doesn't want to deny anyone else's enjoyment of it. I also appreciate the fact that he's never hesitates to call out the people who hate on things for stupid reasons. He doesn't like the Acolyte, but unlike some YouTubers, he will adamantly defend it against stupid criticism.

Because he hosts a podcast/video about movies and tv shows, so naturally he's going to talk about things that are going on in movies and tv shows. Also, because he was specifically asked by two viewers in the previous episode what could be done to improve SW. At the time, he didn't really have an answer, so he thought about it some more, and came back with an answer in the next episode.

And again, he was fair about it. He didn't present it as "Everything in SW sucks!!! Fire KK!!!" He pointed out the good stuff that was done, he pointed out that KK is an exceptional producer, and he reasonably noted that even people who have liked most of the new content can agree that SW isn't exactly appealing to everyone the way it ideally should right now.
I'm somebody who has enjoyed most of the new content since the Disney acquisition, but I'm not oblivious to the fact that it's clearly not working for other people. A discussion about what could be done to make it more appealing isn't unreasonable.

Anyway, sorry, this is maybe a bit OT. I had just been listening to the podcast, though, and wanted to share my thoughts.
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