Mini Series "The Acolyte" Season 1 Discussion (Spoilers Allowed)

Or be replaced by another hopeful.

 

I realize that Osha is the protagonist. But so far i'm more interested in Sol and his story. So while I realize its very likely that he dies this season - as Mentors often do in this galaxy - I think I'd rather:

1: Sol survives (but keeps this all a hush hush secret, perhaps against his own wishes, either due to One Lone Jedi who demands it be covered up, or just the circumstances.
2: One of the twins dies - thus pushing the other to fully train as a Jedi, against the dark side acolytes.
3; Both twins survive and together they fight off the dark side, on their own.

 

This guy has a GREAT THEORY about Osha. I recommend giving it a listen. He is able to explain why Kylo Ren's theme song is used in this episode. It's used, according to him, for Osha, to signify her fall to the darkside, and has nothing to do with Qimir or the KoR.

And in fact, he points out that this music was used twice in the episode, and the first time it was used exclusively for OSHA.

 

I'll watch it. But what about Kylo Ren is important here? He's not the only one who fell to the dark side in SW. And we don't even really know why he fell to the dark side either to help gives us clues as to why it relates to Osha.

I've found that this series seems to pull from a lot of soundtrack themes. At times it feels like PT music is playing. At times the OT. And yeah, at times even the ST. I think its doing this for dramatic and cinematic effect. It sounds like Star Wars. And they don't have to reinvent the wheel here.

 

The chap in the video explains the logic well. Kylo fell because Luke betrayed him, and Osha will fall because her master also betrayed and lied to her.

 

Qimir as the apprentice and one of the mothers as the master? Leaning heavily on Koril right now!

I really appreciate your post and your approach… I think you are right and we have to wait and I also really appreciate someone who will go back and change a rating because they realize they may have been to quick to judge! The force is with you!

… ARMS!!!!!
Sorry I was scrolling around google and ended up on a picture of Manny Jacinto in some movie shirtless and now I am falling to the dark side may the maker help me my husband went “ who that guy? It’s not Pedro Pascal, that a new Jedi or mandalorian or what are these stuff?”
Oh boy
A dark sider
I feel guilty ehehe

 

But osha hasn't turned to the darkside, so that theme is a little premature right? Letting us know whats going to happen? Although it would be funny if she could be turned to the dark side that quick.

I will say this though, This sith guy likely does have a name. They can't sell merchandise on no name. We just haven't heard it yet. Why haven't we heard it yet? Why is he just the stranger? because If he just had some random name it wouldn't be important. They are making it important just by not saying it. Its likely to be a reveal of some sort even if its not related to the KOR.

 

We know Abigail Thorne's character is gonna be a Republic officer, and I don't see her showing up on Brendok so I think the season is gonna end with Mae in custody of the Republic with Thorne's character doing the processing while Osha is with the Sith.

 

Ah. Well then. That still doesn't pass that smell test to me. Luke didn't betray Ben. Luke may have been out of his mind, or dumb for attacking Ben, because he sensed he was a dark sider, but he didn't betray anyone. It was Ben who did the betraying. Ben betrayed Luke. Ben betrayed the Jedi and his classmates. Ben betrayed his whole family. Ben further betrayed his dark side Master as well.

Even if Luke did betray Ben, I'm not sure how that applies to Osha, who's family is actually Mae. Who she now knows is alive and a dark sider. Even if she learns Sol lied, perhaps to protect the Jedi, or maybe even to protect Osha herself .. I don't see that as a betrayal as well in the same vein as Luke and Ben. Sol deeply cares for Osha. He's not trying to kill her in his sleep. (Not yet anyway lol) That hasn't changed. He might have deep regrets of his own for whatever happened that night, but I don't see the parallels just yet. ****Y stuff went down, but its not really the same story.

Maybe if this was playing over Mae's screen time. Mae is the one who turned because of the destruction of the Coven. Mae is the one who is pissed at the Jedi for their acts. Mae is the one who liked to needlessly hurt animals when she was a kid, before the Jedi ever showed up.

I'm just not seeing how lying to Osha, turns her on a dime to become EVIL. Pissed at Sol. Maybe. A dark sider? Not quite seeing that just yet. I don't see any Anakin or Kylo Ren journey so far for her.

Again, I think this is more of the creators using SW themes. At times it feels like i'm hearing PT music and sound effects. At times it seems like the OT is playing. And at times even the ST. But we'll see.

 

I think it makes perfect sense. From Ben's POV, Luke betrayed him, and that led to his fall. The same will happen with Osha.

But even if you don't buy this completely, the KoR connection has been thoroughly debunked.

Since the Kylo Ren theme is used to open Episode 5 with Osha as she wakes up, we can see that the music is used to convey something about her, not Qimir.

 

I don't see a betrayal in the same way. Not from Ben's POV or anyone's. Ben had already fallen before that night in the hut. His heart was already turned and was already planning dark side evil. Luke didn't create Kylo Ren that night, he merely gave him the excuse. Not even if Ben felt betrayed his actions.

That said, we don't really know enough about Ben's fall to make any kind of link here. Sol - if anything - has been lying to Osha since the day he met her. Perhaps to protect her or the Order. But if she finds out, that's not the same thing as a Luke attacking Dark Ben in his sleep betrayal.

 

Yes, we know plenty about Ben's fall to make a link here. The entire ST was based on the idea that a key moment in Ben's turn was when Luke entered his hut and pulled his saber out. Whether or not Ben was perceiving Luke correctly, even Luke blames himself for that night.

So we have to ask ourselves why have they used Kylo Ren's theme twice for Osha? It's because the music is suggesting her story has similarities to his.

This makes much more sense than those arguing that the KoR are somehow involved.

And again, the most important thing here is that the music has been used at least twice so far for Osha, making it clear that this is about her and not Qimir.

 

Aniseya.

 

I definitely heard Kylo’s theme

 

This is from the internet so it must be the truth. Kylo Ren's theme was used twice in ep 5. On to debating it's deeper meaning.

 

I... don't think the KOR are involved.

I think you're looking for similarities now. But there are more differences here. Ben isn't a twin. And he didn't think this twin was killed or died when they were young (although that certainly would have made for a better ST story that's for sure) leading to him missing them all his life. He also didn't just recently discover that this twin was really alive. Ben wasn't created by the dark side, or with the help of the Sith. He didn't quit the Jedi Order, or rather was kicked out, and found another job, and roamed around kind of aimlessly for a decade, and lost his ability to use the Force. Osha isn't possessive, angry, neurotic, selfish, manipulative, mute, or whatever the hell Ben was because we never knew him at all, or his reasons for turning to the dark side (and that certainly didn't happen in the hut that night). In fact the last thing we see Osha do is say goodbye to her trusted PIp, who she loved, indicating the ability to let go of attachments. Which is a Jedi thing. Osha seems pretty healthy minded all things considered. Does that change in the next few episodes? Maybe. Maybe not. It still doesn't mirror Ben Solo's journey.

Osha and Mae have switched places. That's going to cause some drama. Its going to lead to some confusion. The scene is tense and required some tense ominous music. The entire series has been pulling music and themes from all over the place. Short little bursts here and there. And since Sol just had his 'almost killed a dark sider" moment and pulled back, I doubt they're going to do that again but this time with him trying to kill Mae - when really it's Osha sleeping in her bed. And then Osha waking up and being really mad at him for trying to kill her, and ... er... turning to the dark side right then and there. Or even because she learns the truth about what happened 16 years ago.

 

I feel like this passage from the Episode III novel is relevant to what we're seeing in this show.

 

I am enjoying this show.

I feel like it has done a really good job keeping me guessing at what’s going to happen. And I’ve been all over the place trying to figure out where this show is going. I think being disengaged from the fandom largely and not being influenced by spoilers, theories, or reviews has increased my enjoyment of.

I didn’t catch the Kyo theme on first viewing, but I definitely caught it on rewatch. I’m not sure if there’s any deeper meaning. The whole twins being one born as two reminds me of the Dyad, yet thus far neither have been shown to be particularly powerful.

Torbin committing suicide after being silent for 10 years seems a bit too extreme of an atonement for an event superficially caused by Mae.

Upon rewatching episode 3, it just seems like the fire spreads way too slow to have any correlation with the generator failing and the death of all the witches. Between that and Qimir taunting that Sol has done something to Osha, I’ve even entertained the idea that the Jedi were somehow tied to the death of all the witches, and when Mae accuses Osha of being brainwashed, I’m wondering if we are going to see a KOTOR like twist where that does end up being the case to some degree.

In the trailers for the show, there is a brief shot of Kelnacca fighting someone with a yellow saber. So unless that’s from a cut scene, I’m expecting more flashbacks showing a different version or perspective of events that alters what we think we know at this point.

Torbin also goes silent for 10 years, when I think the events on Brendok were 16 years earlier? So something else could have happened in those six years?

I think Osha saying Qimir’s abilities are reminiscent of her mother’s is significant and there will be some connection there.

Leslye had commented about how the acolyte represents the pupil that the Sith apprentice takes on in an effort to overthrow the master. Which to me keeps me anticipating that the Sith master is someone who has not been revealed yet. Perhaps one of the witches survived and became a Sith master to Qimir, and that’s how Qimir has their ability?

I’ve even entertained the idea that Qimir is just some guy who is being mentally dominated by a witch. He speaks with such familiarity to all the events on Brendok, even though he presumably wasn’t there. There is the obvious fact that Aniseya created life and Mother Korill suggests the idea that the Jedi would disapprove, if they ever found out how she did that. Plagueis immediately comes to mind. Now whether Plagueis is alive at this point and shared that power with Aniseya, or whether Aniseya is actually alive and goes on to become a Sith and passes on the ability to Plagueis.

There’s a lot of moving parts in this show, and as of episode 5, I am really loving this series, and I hope it all comes together in a satisfying way.


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I think this is pretty close to what could happen, but I think Mother Koril will be the main antagonist, not Aniseya.

 

I think the show is pretty good. Certainly not amazing, and I doubt many people would say it is, but certainly not terrible either. It’s pretty good. And I’m looking forward to the mystery unfolding.

 

I wonder if history is going to repeat itself. Or at least that's the set up.

Sol and Mae go to the Coven planet, or where ever Qimir took Osha, to rescue her. Only once there they find Osha is all dark eyes and is ready to attack them. She is being mind-controlled the same way Torbin was 16 years ago. Sol gets his chance to make the past right, by not committing the same mistake twice. This time, with the help of Mae at his side. (And maybe even Rwoh and her light-whip is there too)

Sol dies protecting the twins. Darth Qimir either dies by their, or Sol's hands. And the twins escape. Rwoh survives and believes this so called Sith is dead and there's nothing to report to the High Council. Darth Plagueis - never seen or known about - then has to find a new acolyte of his own.

 

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