TV Discussion The Ahsoka Tano Mega Thread Power Hour

It's more than mind control. Why do her eyes change and her face has a completely different complexion to it?

Where have we seen this before?

 

Cause that's part of the son's power.

Ani fell for real. No bite. No chip.

 

Alright, let's get to work.

 

The Darkside is very vampiric , and described as unnatural. The Son's bite clearly infected her like a Vampire's bite would. The Son's look was also very demonic and vampiric, he even transformed into a bat-like creature. There is probably more than one way to turn someone to the darkside, willing or unwilling. I would also wager the bite that infected her transferred some of the Son's essence/lifeforce/blood/midiclorians into Tano. The Daughter had to transfer what was left of her lifeforce into Tano inorder to heal her and even revive which likely counteracted whatever poison left by her brother that was flowing in her veins(and her veins were even visible).

I don't think necessarily her taint of the darkside or scathing towards the darkside has to do The Son's bite, as it was mentioned prior to her encounter with The Son by Tano's future self, and it had to do with the Anakin's training and instructions with her already being shrouded in the darkside and the seeds of the darkside planted already and all that kinda thing. In fact that also may have been what drew Tano to Mortis and The Son to her. All three of them were supposed to be there, not just Anakin. The Son and Maul are connected in various ways, whether or not Tano fell to the darkside on Mandalore after an encounter with Maul is unknown, maybe her fall is more complicated and subtle, kinda like Luke in Dark Empire and where Luke is pretending to be full darkside when he isnt, but really kinda is deal. Or maybe Maul is aiding her out've convenience to destroy a common enemy. He may not want a conventional apprentice or she made a deal with a devil deal. Or no connection at all, we don't know but these are all SW characters and all important and things to consider. But Tano was part've the trio and important to Lucas and his grander storyline as is a character like Maul. Kanan isnt a Jedi proper either since he never graduated to being a knight and for a padawan taking another padawan is also not conventional but these are all unconventional times and the Jedi for all intents and purposes are pretty extinct. Tano allying herself to a rogue Sith Lord would make sense in the grander scheme of things, she even worked alongside Ventress who was a rogue Sith acolyte apprentice herself and she never truly gave up using the darkside and the nightsisters and perhaps even Maul can use the darkside in ways generic Sith Lords cannot. Maul is not ordinary Sith, he's the son of Talzin, her blood is in his veins and who knows who the father was.

 

"Being tricked into the Dark Side is lame".

Um, isn't that EXACTLY what happened to Anakin? Gee, maybe I should rewatch the PT; because I had been under this weird, false assumption that Palpatine had convinced Anakin that the only way to save Padme was to learn the ways of the Dark Side.

 

you made it

 

Huh? What do you mean?

Ahsoka was bitten by The Son. I'm still waiting for ANYONE to give me a sensible explanation as to how her actions afterward weren't being affected by the Dark Side. "Mind control" is a lame explanation. That's akin to "Jedi mind tricks".

 

You said you'd never come back to this thread.

I don't feel like debating tonight, but she didn't fall on her own. She was bitten and turned bad.

 

I wasn't going to come back until my entire conversation on the other thread was moved to this one.

I didn't say she fell on her own. She was bitten and turned to the Dark Side.

 

Yes, the Son used his mind control bite.

 

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Altar_of_Mortis_(episode)

"Clutching her arm, Ahsoka collapses on the floor, the creature morphs back into its true form, the Son; his bite now infects Ahsoka with the Dark Side of the Force, and she undergoes a horrifying change."

I rest my case.

 

But she didn't turn on her own.

 

Turning to the dark side you may not even consciously be aware of it, hubris is a dark side character trait and one which the Jedi are prone to. All the Jedi were corrupted and under its influence without knowing it. Anakin was worked on by Palpatine since the end of TPM right up to to his final and complete transformation during ROTS, and he reluctantly embraced Sidious's treachings to save Padme's life and a deeper more mundane reason, cause deep down he always graved more power and the Jedi treated him like crap(and they too were under the influence of the dark side of the Force). Yoda was corrupted by the dark side as well and apparently only cast it out've himself during season 6, the rest of the Jedi were ignorant of their own fall but they were aware of their own inability to use the Force, so that would weaken them and make them more suscpceble. Tano was already influenced by the dark side like all the other Jedi and because of Anakin's training.

So far only Krell and Vos(and Barriss) embraced it on full sole purpose for the sake of it to further their own ambitions and ends.

 

i wonder if they were bitten too or had chips in their minds

 

Would you have preferred I go by my usual standard and call her Dave's waifu? I was just switching things up. And using a situation where (let's not kid ourselves) Ahsoka was forced to become a darksider as well as fanart doesn't do much to make your point. I was talking about her becoming an imperial because she truly believes it's the right thing to do.

 

anakinfansince1983

You forgot the clones.

But yeah, everyone else doesn't get out of jail free cards.

The writers never let you forget it on the ones you mentioned.

And Vos was on dark side drugs.

 

Too true! I bet Dooku was under mind control the whole time. And Maul was probably bitten by the son too. Ever notice they both have the same voice?

Yep.

 

I'm sorry if this counts as a double post, but maybe we should call Matthew Stover and ask if Kar Vastor put a mind control necklace on Depa.

 

I'm still wondering why in the writer's minds we needed an episode where Ahsoka turned full DS. They must have thought it would be cool or something. I'm sure some viewers were thrilled but I for one was disappointed. DS Ahsoka is pretty ridiculous, she looks and sounds like a bad imitation of Harley Quin.

You know sometimes I wonder if the writers could have put some things in and there just to satisfy the imagination of some fan-fiction writers. Like when Hondo captures Ahsoka during the padawan arc, after knocking her out he strokes and lip and says "I'm gonna have to turn you into profit"... Am I the only to see this as freakingly ambiguous?

 

Perfect reference!

 

I posted those pics as S-U-G-G-E-S-T-I-O-N-S from the original conversation relating to Ahsoka's possible fate in Rebels. I made my point clear about her turning briefly to the Dark Side when referencing what happened to her by The Son in the Mortis episodes. And anyone giving the "mind control" claim is also only posting suggestions and opinions, nothing more.

 

Sidious was a laughing maniac in TCW and ROTS not unlike The Joker, but he less so in ROTJ but he was a laugher in that too . He was clearly exhibiting maniacal & psychopathic behavior. Maybe there is a certain high involved too I suppose, even Palpatine was almost orgasmic to Anakin's dark side aura he was giving off in the office scene if you recall, pretty strange scene but there is some strange stuff about the dark side and those that embrace it. Even the master and apprentice relationship is almost sadomasochistic.

I did find Maul's rebuttal interesting:

Kenobi: "It takes strength to resist the dark side. Only the weak embrace it!"

Maul: "It is more powerful than you know!"

I get the impression he also knew of the Dark Side shrine buried under the Jedi Temple. He taunted Kenobi a few times, about not following the Jedi way, so I think he knew they were already corrupted and full of themselves, as little did they know they were being played and being played in more ways than one, as their supreme chancellor was a Sith Lord and dancing to his tune.