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To Yak's point... Pym can't KO these two... and since both of them can move at 600x speed of light and survive blackholes... the microverse argument is weak anyway.

So no Yodaminch... you still haven't given a plausible chance that's within rules, so no this isn't over. I can't argue for my characters if people don't want to argue against me. I said from the beginning Pym can't harm them, and no one has proven he could yet. But the earnest is on me for what? Drafting cheap clones... I get penalized. My argument still stands and Inty nor any judges have proven what Pym could do.

 

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A is Richards/Doom
B is Stark/Cho
C is Pym and maybe Beast

Yak- I did say KO. I referred to containing as the second of a three part process. I said that the first two are easy enough. After that, the third item follows.

Kalar is free not to like the ruling, but I see more that Hank does with prep than I do with these two heralds. If this were Terrax or Surfer, I might have seen it differently. Likewise if this were Stark or Richards, you might see it differently. But based strictly on the competitors, Hank has the edge with prep. The idea thrown out was just one idea. Prep encompasses having time to research, plan, and execute said plan. The question is whether Hank can do that in the time allotted based on the caliber of the opponents he faces. I say he can.

 

So, are we good with this round of matches then?

 

Minch, you and I have a very different definition of what "C level" means.

 

Well, I mean I sort of see his point, right?

Would Pym ever beat Stark, let alone Doom or Reed (any of 'em), with prep? Would he beat them with double-prep against their single-prep? Unlikely, right?

Cho's at least an argument, but the others likely aren't?

 

Yes. In that context, I agree with him. I just wouldn't write "Hank Pym is a C-Level Genius"

It's like saying "Anthony Davis is a C-Level Basketball player" when what you mean is "LeBron and Durant" then "Harden and Russ" and then "Anthony Davis and Kawhi Leonard". Or saying "Fransisco Lindor is a C-Level Baseball player" when what you mean is "Mike Trout is better at baseball than Lindor"

 

Anthony Davis is a C-Level First team All-star... we're talking comic genius, not comic smart guy.

 

My argument isn't what Hank does with prep, it's more on the binary nature of he can do a lot of things, but if he can't KO them (Binary) then how does he lose. I remember a few drafts back I lost in the final because of Firestorm vs Juggernaut. Firestorm could "contain" juggernaut for eternity, but has no way to KO him. I think Pym falls into this category, and by definition if he can't KO them, he can't win. I also don't think in 24 hours he can shrink, contain, and KO them without them using the power cosmic to absorb enough energy or move away at speed faster than light or something to prevent KO. It takes a massive amount of energy (ultimate nullifier) to KO one of them... and he STILL had enough energy to move across the galaxy to find silver surfer.

Plus, how comics are written, name a two herald event where they are doing ridiculous cosmic level feats. If they were alone I wouldn't argue because writers do stupid things with solo heralds. There are NUMEROUS (more than 3) comics with both Airwalker and Firelord... and they aren't getting pymped around.

The fact of the matter still stands even with prep, Pym IMHO can't KO them, and the judges are just giving Pym a prep win because of his rank as a genius over their rank as Heralds... despite the fact he shouldn't even have any knowledge of how to hurt them besides building an ultimate nullifer or having the power cosmic like Morg (which he can't do in 24 hours).

Same argument for my next herald team too.

 

Link? I'd like to ruin that one as well

 

Sorry, "No Hokages" rule -- we already have one.

 

Alright, let's start with the easy one.

Gladiator vs. Captain Marvel x2

He is way stronger and more powerful than both of these two combined. Show me either of Captain Marvel's doing anything close to this impressive:

Gladiator snaps Hyperion's neck. Hyperion. The same guy who held off two planets from colliding at once.

Spoiler: Gladiator beats Hyperion

He toys with Drax the Destroyer by letting him think he's actually hurting him, then chokes him out.

Spoiler: Gladiator toys with Drax

He kicks Mjolnir out of a city and then smashes Thor down.

Spoiler: Gladiator deals with Thor and Mjolnir

Eric Masterson as Thor tried to take him down with a magical blast from Mjolnir, but it just ricocheted off his chest. Lol.

Spoiler: A magical blast from Mjolnir does nothing to Gladiator

He easily takes down Vulcan even while he's using his energy blast on him.

Spoiler: Gladiator takes down Vulcan

He smashes Wonder Man to the core of the Earth.

Spoiler: Gladiator takes down Wonder Man

Nova (Richard Rider) can't even scratch him.

Spoiler: Nova (Richard Rider) attempts to take Gladiator down

I showed these particular feats, as Hyperion, Drax, both Thors, Vulcan, Wonder Man and Nova are all stronger foes than the two Captain Marvel's. Carol and Monica just aren't near the same class as Gladiator. What can they even do to him?

I mean, I could've just showed him dealing with Carol from the start, but where's the fun in that? Here we can see him knocking out Carol when she was Binary in one punch. Her energy attack did nothing to him. And below that is Gladiator just slapping her away like a fly while taking down Iron Man. He's great at dealing with multiple enemies at once. He even once overpowered the Guardians and X-Men all at once.

Spoiler: Gladiator beats Binary (Carol Danvers)

Spoiler: Gladiator vs. Captain Marvel and Iron Man

No matter how powerful Carol and Monica's energy is combined, I don't think it'll come close to an explosion that was capable of destroying half of a solar system, which he withstood.

Spoiler: Gladiator withstands an explosion that could destroy half of a solar system

Yeah, Carol and Monica don't stand a chance.

 

Spiderman(PREP) vs EMMA FROST

So in this particular case im going to obviously vote for my girl emma winning this

Spiderman does not have very many foes that are telepathic in nature or they aren't very good at it, he has never faced a telepath even near the level of emma
The best thing I could find is spiderman vs moondragon in infinity crusade i believe
https://static.comicvine.com/upload....3-+moondragon+not+trying+to+mind+control.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/upload....4-+moondragon+not+trying+to+mind+control.jpg

Moondragon admits she could just mind control him but she respects his free will.....emma does not
The first instance she gets to mind blow him...she will take it

Even if spiderman tries to get a sneak attack in or something like that emma has her super durable diamond form she can go in and out of to protect herself and spiderman just doesnt have enough tools to deal with her

Now does spidey have access to the FF building for equipment or does he have to use his own school's lab? because even if he does i don't think he has ever shown the ability to create a device that blocks telepaths as he doesn't seem to know how to handle them outside of trying to blind them and just being faster than their physical speed but as moondragon points out in one of those scans....the mind moves faster than the body

Emma wins by either shutting his mind down, brainwashing him, or any other number of telepathic rape methods....emma knows them all

 

GRAVITON vs Venom as eddie brock

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/OlmPx7DeGkA/hqdefault.jpg lol

Anyway, eddie has no way to take on someone with shields as strong as gravitons and the ability to manipulate gravity itself means venom has no way to dodge anything and can be easily squished under a building that graviton can just drop on him and if that doesnt KO him, he can just do that again but this time drop an island on him

We are venom, we aren't strong enough to win this round

 

Spider woman A and Spider woman B vs DOORMAN(prep)

So doorman can't be harmed by physical means and capable of lightspeed flight while also being able to create spikes or the like from his body made up of and KO them like that or he can grab one of them and put their heart through his own body like he helped mr immortal do against Dr Nod....this fight might take a while due to the spider women being very crafty and agile but Doorman will get them eventually

 

Never seemed to bother him before when he faced her. And showing him getting beaten by Hulk doesn't help, cause he's literally one of the strongest there is. And the area in which they fought was full of Gladiator's radiation weakness, but he still managed to hold his own, so... yeah.

And I can't be bothered with a Cap argument today... The only chance he's probably got is getting his hands on one of those Heavenly weapons with his prep time that's used to kill Ghost Riders. He's definitely got the skills to land the killing blow with it, and as I've shown before, he's been able to stun enemies far more powerful and stronger than Blaze with his shield like Onslaught, and he's been able to fully knock out enemies like Namor with it. But without the weapon he's probably not winning.

 

As always any argument is appreciated sometomes... But ones I'D really like it for are...

5. Gladiator vs Monica Rambeau TRUMPED with Captain Marvel (Danvers)
How do they hurt him?
How does he combat Monica's energy form and potential to turn into his weakness?
8. Silver Surfer vs Amadeus Cho (PREP)
Def like to hear on this one.

A Team Called Starfish vs dp4m's Legion of Heels-Turn





2. Spider-Man (Peter Parker) vs Emma Frost
Actually... Where do they start again? Is he quick enough to get her off balance and KO her B4 she frags him?
5. Spider-Woman (Mayday Parker) TRUMPED with Spider-Woman (Jessica Drew) vs Doorman (PREP)
Anything helps.

Katy Perry Presents: Inty's Pre-Teenage Dream vs The Cosmic Bunch

2. T’Challa (PREP) vs Stardust TRUMPED with Nova (Alexander)
Anything

 

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I'll just call you Yak

I don't have the time or mental energy to do a specific BP vs. Nova/Stardust. But, my list of feats remains. He's shown himself against larger numbers. These guys aren't as good offensively as Magneto. And, they're both chumps.