The Ancient Sith Empire on Arkania and pre Great Hyperspace War conflicts of Expansion

Perhaps Arkania was a Rakatan world and the Sith found out how to get there from the Rakata.

Or maybe it was a Gree (or Kwa) world with a Hypergate (or infinity gate) that the Rakata conquored, and then the Sith learned how to access the hypergate and built a colony there, the Rakata having studied a hypergate in order to get around the force based limitations of their hyperdrives. The hypergate was then destroyed along with the library by the Republic or sabotaged by the Sith to protect their secrets. More likely Kwa than Gree, since the Kwa Empire is a lot closer, but still not really close enough to make sense.

Might make more sense if the Rakata were experimenting in the use of Gree or Kwa slaves in building gates in order to get around their hyperdrive's limitations, and built one on Arkania and another in Sith Space or on a Rakatan ship the Sith captured.

Another question is why would the Sith want a library in enemy territory? It would be better protected in their own territory, unless they were protecting it from something closer to home (like other Sith for example)

 

An interesting point to mention the Kwa since their home was Dathomir which I don't think is that far from Sith Space or Arkania when compared to the home of the Gree Enclave.

Indeed, I thought why would one point such an important library so far from home territory. However, you mention a good point about protecting it from something closer to home. After all, we have the likes of Andeddu who fled the Sith to Prakith because he believed they sought to steal his knowledge. So maybe, just maybe, some Sith decided to protect his secrets and thus created the library in a far off location and believed that this would deter anyone of his comrades from claiming it?

 

Gree and Kwa in the Rakatan mix... I like that. though the Exiles hit Korriban with a ship, not through a gate, that much is known.

Hmm... maybe the Gree and Kwa as well as the Sharu or just one of them had been on Arkania pre-Rakatan times. Arkania might havbe a Rakatan starmap leading to Korriban, but what if KORRIBAN or any other Sith world has a hypergate to Arkania dating back to Kwa/Gree/Sharu times, that the proto-Sith pre-Adas and pre-spaceflight used to colonize worlds even before they developed spaceflight. they could have reached far off worlds like Malachor, Arkania, Arbra or Tund long before they later found out their location. Akin to the Rakatan Forcehyperdrive, a network of unconnected worlds sharing a Sith rule based in the stygian Caldera. and lets throw the Cloack of the Sith region into the mix.

though maybe some of those worlds rebelled or they hit Unknown Regions terrors and destroyed their gate within Sith Space cutting them off. later the Exiles find the library, can't use the gate to reach Korriban and thus fly there. and the later Sith hiding holes and colonies are in fact ancient proto-Sith influenced ones, thus easily convertable back. except for some certain UR terrors.

 

Hmmm. I dunno about mixing the Gre, Sharu, Kwa, and other races in addition to the Rakata -- it'd just seem like drifting into Major Contrivance? territory, especially since we're only talking about one single world (Arkania). It'd basically make Arkania the new Tatooine, the new "galactic planet of destiny"; with all four races converging on the planet, and the uppity Rakata wiping out the Kwa and Gree there, etc., considering its supposedly-isolated status.

Then again...yeah, on the other hand, a (literal) four-way knife fight would be totally freaking awesome.

 

please promise me, we all meet in TOR one day when it's released to have fun

 

You only need three way. Gree or Kwa could do it, no need for both. Since both of them are already stated to have been conquored by the Rakata it isn't really a contrivance. Or at least no more of a contrivance than the problem of Arkania in the first place.

 

so long it's not the length of whatever stardestroyers we can buy

 

...With none of us walking out of that gathering alive after a heated argument erupts over which "version" of Darth Bane was "better."

 

you know that with flowwalking in the house both versions could have existed in canon? now we just need to know WHO flowwalked. my vote goes to Seth Harth.. he'd do it for fun!

 

I would really like it if Arkania actually featured in TOR. I mean it has a history with the Sith anyway and one of the great Jedi namely Arca Jeth came from that world so has a Jedi history as well. Plus, the Arkanians have always been to me an interesting race. So heres hoping we see it in the game... perhaps as players, we stumble into a surviving section of Veeshas Tuwan

And during the conversation, one of us says something the other disagrees with and suddenly we find ourselves dueling as well as killing each others characters... simply because treachery is the way of the Sith *hopes his Sith Inquisitor is leveled enough to survive*

 

A few other things related to that I'd like to see in TOR? Athiss and those Sith wraiths who fight Chamma, Krayiss II and its Sith library-temple and Ziost, the Sith Citadel and several icy tombs and Sith spirits.

As for Arkania, I'd especially like it if one could enter Lake Natth somehow, and perhaps find some sort of Sith artifact or structure on the lakebed.

 

I see it now... we face the big threat on our quest... see the masonry in the chamber and forget about the threat talking... then we kill each other and start over.. or meanwhile NPCs and pets save the day for us

 

once again you got me thinking

the bottom of Lake Nath looks interesting indeed... as do your other proposals.

So maybe some waterworlds have nice secrets hidden at their bottom, Kamino got the ancient Kaminoan cities on former landmasses, Manaan had the Rakatan stuff (nice quests there by the way like the Kashyyyk Shadowlands), and Tatooine hides secrets below its sand. What else waits for us below the ice of Rhen Var? below Lake Nath on Ambria, below many other worlds cover?

I want something like that for TOR. go below, uncover the past, that kind of stuff. including planetary transformations and other things that are interesting.

and speaking of superweapons... starforges and death stars should be left out. How about some other things like an ancient device that can freeze a planet to an iceworld? (didn't Belsavis in the post-ROTJ EU have deserts and NO Ice at all, yet now it is icecovered except for volcanic active spots and hot springs in TOR. could be natural iceage or something else). or a planetary cloaking device that hides an important ancient forgotten world from the rest of the galaxy... until it is found and either its inhabitants, relics, libraries can be checked out...

or without destructive things: plagues... (works for guildwars mmorpg with plagued areas), or tech you have to assemble from many planets where parts are found of ancient stuff and you need to collect it to put it back together.., etc.

or the typical: infiltrate the Jedi Temple as a Sith without any Jedi realizing it steal something from their archives. now that'd be nice... with tatooed and scarred Sith in sithy garnments playing innocent.

 

Oops, I meant AMBRIA not Arkania.

That's a planet I'd really like to see in TOR. That's another planet with a bit of mystery surrounding it on how, why and when exactly the Sith colonized it. I'd like to know more about the Sith Sorceress who came to Ambria. She enslaved the natives, constructed a giant black obelisk and then accidentally wipe out all life on its surface. I wonder if she was experimenting with a thought bomb or some such, or if she simply did summon too much dark power in a different ritual and couldn't control it.

After the GHW several Sith Lords hid on Ambria, which could tie in with TOR quite well. They remained as dark spirits after their death, and Thon imprisoned them in Lake Natth, along with the dark energies prevalent on the world. It would make a neat planet to explore; Lake Natth, confrontation with the imprisoned spirits, the obelisk... Plenty of potential there.

As for Arkania and Veeshas Tuwan, it used to factor into my old (and overly detailed) theories on the true Sith, since it seemed so separate from both the Sith on Korriban and Ziost and the Jen'jidai. Now, though, it might be a tad harder to explain. There's still a bit of known Sith history going on at the time though; Dathka Graush ruled two thirds of Korriban, and the Hundred-Year Darkness was beginning. Graush was said to be exceptionally cruel and bloodthirsty, even for a Sith, so perhaps some fled his tyrannical rule and settled on Arkania. I would too, if I had to see zombies march through my humble village on the Korriban plains every day.

 

I love that giant obelisk that the sorceress was meant to have constructed... I've always been disappointed it hasn't been referenced more. I recall reading an account somewhere which conflicted slightly with the slave construction of the obelisk and actually said that what she did was draw out the dark side of the planet into this giant black spear that surged up into the sky. Is that idea actually from somewhere, or am I confusing it with something else? I could swear I recall reading that somewhere on Wookieepedia for something though.

I found the idea really interesting... basically because it raised a big fat "What did she intend to do with it?" question mark.

I like your idea about a thought bomb... that would certainly seem to be similar to her failed ritual. Even if it wasn't A thought bomb as such, I could quite easily dig the idea that she tried to set one off, but instead of having the willpower to imprison everything inside one small sphere of dark energy, she lost control and the dark side energy just exploded, splattering all across the entire planet.

 

Hmm... if the Rakata were on Arkania... might they have hidden their library in a Mind Prison? that way nobody could find it or use it without being trapped! except if there IS a way to escape, and there has to be one because they'd never entrap themselves without a backdoor only known to them. Thus... will we see the return of Mind Prisons and an escape from one in TOR?

there might be other methods to hide a library, too... Fallanassi-esque Force illusions over eons... guarding spirits and animated dead... etc. or they hid it in plain sight... hiding their knowledge in Arkanian everyday lore in coded messages and decorative glyphs embedding their ancient wisdom into their culture for only those to see the truth that know of it.

it is all over the buildings, computers, poems, architecture... reprinted, recreated and loved again and again by the Arkanians without knowing the ancient meanings to it until someone who found a key comes, and begins a treasure hunt to translate and collect it all...

 

Illusions is certainly a possibility since Sith Sorcerors were quite good at it and would explain how such a library escaped everyones notice until the end of the GHW. Not only that, might explain why a Sith would decide to establish a library in such a far off location from the Stygian Caldera... what better place to hide one's knowledge then being far from the Sith Empire AND protected by illusions to hide its existence. Perhaps after Sadow's defeat, the Sith at the library decided to desert and go every Sith for themselves which dropped the illusion and led to the Jedi discovering the Veeshas Tuwan. Alternatively, perhaps the illusions were still in place and it was only by raiding a place in Sith Space did the Jedi Order uncover the secret of Arkania and pierce the illusions protecting the library.