Arena "The Beautiful Game" - The Official JCC Football (Soccer) Thread.

"Ferguson has lost it!"--my dad, as he, me and my brother in law watch the utter crap that is Man United's performance on this match. LMAO! Someone give a medal to Everton, they deserve it.

 

Tottenham Hotspur 3 - 3 Portsmouth.

EDIT: Tottenham Hotspur 4 - 3 Portsmouth.

 

Well what do you know, United are going to win afterall...

 

OMG!!1! wTF!?!11 United beat Everton, fire Ferguson now!! They are a whole 2 points behind Arsenal, they suck ass!

 

Well Saha certainly is having a dream start.

 

I feel extremely hard done by. Everton did not deserve that.

 

I'd still say Everton deserved a medal. A very good effort.

The Red Devils, on the other hand, barely deserved to win. They looked like 11 Jar Jars on the field relying on slapstick instead of skill. And Ferguson really should have put Ronaldo in sooner, that Fletcher guy is just dssapointing so far.

All in all, Man United still needs a good defender and a focused manager. I'm not saying Ferguson should be fired (yet) but I can't help but feel relieved that so far, they have only signed a one year contract with Fergie, rather than the six year or whatever it was that Fergie originally wanted

 

Good hard fought match.

 

* top of the league ... still *

 

I'd still say Everton deserved a medal. A very good effort.

The Red Devils, on the other hand, barely deserved to win. They looked like 11 Jar Jars on the field relying on slapstick instead of skill. And Ferguson really should have put Ronaldo in sooner, that Fletcher guy is just dssapointing so far.

All in all, Man United still needs a good defender and a focused manager. I'm not saying Ferguson should be fired (yet) but I can't help but feel relieved that so far, they have only signed a one year contract with Fergie, rather than the six year or whatever it was that Fergie originally wanted

I think you need to get the facts straight. Ferguson wanted a rolling contract, he didn't want a six year one. The reason why he and David Gill agreed on this contract was because Ferguson doesn't know when he wants to retire and doesn't want the situation where he has a set date of retirement, as before.

As for his abilitys as a manager, we are champions for christ's sake, I don't get your moaning.

As for todays game, you've got to give the Toffee's some credit. I can't remember any team coming back against United like that, since the premiership started. I'm just thankful we got the 3 points.

* top of the league ... still *

Counts for nothing, lets see who's there in may. You know what happened last year.

 

Lurking_Around: United will never sack Ferguson. Calling for him to be sacked simply informs the rest of us of your lack of knowledge about football.

 

Exactly!

 

Wow, I merely express my views and suddenly I'm being executed for committing blasphemy against Saint Fergie.

 

Calling for him to be fired is naive. He's won countless more trophies than any other manager in England, and is up there with the greats.

 

Calling for him to be fired is naive

I said he shouldn't be fired yet. Let's wait for the end of the contract and see the results. I just don't think of him as some sort of infallible, indisposable saint for the Devils. He should be subjected to criticism if he's not making right decisions and not focusing on his job.

The way fans have sent death threats to families of the Irish duo Fergie is arguing with is disgraceful. Much better to demand Sir Alex concentrate on his job rather than be such a greedy old goat. Thank God Saha seems to be a good buy...so far.

Also, it seems to me that the Man United players just aren't "hungry" anymore. When I look at the sheer determination of the Arsenal lads (though the red cards still provide lots of laughs, as do the reactions of Arsene "I didn't see the tackle!" Wenger ), and the Everton team that clawed up from 3-0 at halftime, I can't help but admire them. The Man United fat cats seem content to play at neutral gear Well, let's see how that works in Europe.

 

Manchester United lost the offensive flair when Beckham was kicked out. Huge mistake, selling Becks. Saha has been good so far, but I don't think it'll last long. Reyes has been a waste of 10m atleast for Arsenal, so far. I hope he turns things around.

I can't wait for CL to start again.

AC Milan 2 - 1 Perugia

Empoli 1 - 0 Siena

Modena 2 - 1 Ancona

Parma 0 - 3 Lazio

Reggina 0 - 0 Brescia

Sampdoria 1 - 2 Inter Milan

Nearly at an end.

Roma - Juventus later tonight..

 

Manchester United lost the offensive flair when Beckham was kicked out. Huge mistake, selling Becks

Amen!

Reyes has been a waste of 10m atleast for Arsenal, so far

 

Reyes is a big piece of class IMO. Young players always take some time to settle in the Premiership. Football is played at a much faster pace here than in Primera Liga, Reyes will have to adapt himself before his ability can show itself. I think he'll come good. Very good.

Of course, some players' skills don't adapt to the Premiership, sometimes it just doesn't work, but it's far too early in Reyes' Premiership career to know that yet.

I don't think it was a mistake for Manchester United to sell David Beckham, because it became obvious that him and Alex Ferguson were not even on speaking terms anymore. The side has suffered, that's for sure (Darren Fletcher and Cristiano Ronaldo are not good enough and not yet mature enough as a footballer respectively), but I think things would've been worse for everyone had Beckham stayed. The national side would've suffered if their captain was at odds with his club manager and perhaps not even playing regular football.

Manchester United no longer have reliability on the right hand side, and therefore no longer have that perfect balance that Beckham and Giggs used to provide. Maybe Cristiano Ronaldo will come good in the future, for he undoubtedly has great ability, but at the moment I don't think he has a clue just what to do with it! (Although I must admit his cross for RvN yesterday against Everton was brilliant.)

So selling Beckham a mistake? No. Everyone had to move on. Things were getting nasty. Selling Beckham unfortunate? Yes.

I think David Beckham got the best deal out of everybody.

Louis Saha is an interesting one. He has some considerable talent, that's for sure, but is yet to show that talent can be made consistant. Next season will be his test, because at the moment he is feeding off the enthusiasm of being at a club the size of Manchester United. I think he'll continue to score on a semi-regular basis for the remainder of this season, but next... who knows? Next season Saha will be settled... settled into a hugely comfortable situation. Next season it will all depend on how hungry he is now that he can go no higher in terms of English Club Football. His behaviour towards Fulham this season in orchestrating his move could be desvribed as both strong willed (standing up for his career and progression as a footballer - geniunely wants the challenge) or two-faced (simply after the kudos of Man Utd and the obvious finincial boost, then content to slack off). His performances next season will determine which it was.

Here endeth the speech.

 

Manchester United lost the offensive flair when Beckham was kicked out. Huge mistake, selling Becks.

As a united fan I was sad to see becks go, but he can be replaced. Ronaldo is not the finished article yet, but he's young and improved even in the short time he has been at old trafford. Beckham's strength was his ability to cross the ball and looking at Ronaldo's set up for the winning goal yesterday, I don't think we have anything to worry about.

Saha has been good so far, but I don't think it'll last long.

Why? He has had a fantastic start and you can see the ability is definitely there. He is playing with better players now, than at Fulham.

Reyes has been a waste of 10m at least for Arsenal, so far. I hope he turns things around.

Give the guy a break. He has only been there 5 minutes and he's looked pretty sharp to me.


Chelsea 1
Charlton Athletic 0

Manchester City 0 FullTime
Birmingham City 0

 

Apart from that unfortunate own goal, Reyes has showed a lot of promise.

 

I'm yet to see this wonderful amazing talent of Cristiano Ronaldo. All I've seen him do is step-overs and falling down after that. He's had his share of decent crosses though, but people are appreciating him mainly for the tricks he pulls.

Give the guy a break.
That's why I said 'so far'.

 

That's why I said 'so far'.

You said he was a waste of £10m!!!

And as for Ronaldo, for an 18 year old who has never played in England before, He's done great. His cross won us the game yesterday. Great goal by Reyes in midweek BTW.

 

Hope noone minds me turning this into a general football score thread.

Three games in the Premiership today:

19:45 Arsenal - Southampton
19:45 Leeds - Wolverhampton
20:00 Leicester - Bolton

Reyes will make his first Premier League start.
Leicester - Bolton live on TV here in Sweden and probably elsewhere.

 

^^^ That's a good idea. About time there was a thread devoted to football on the JCC. ^^^

Predictions:

Arsenal 4 - 1 Southampton.
Leeds 1 - 1 Wolves
leicester 0 - 2 Bolton