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Saga - OT Saga - Legends The Book of Gand, Part the Fourth: The Findsman’s Secret (Zuckuss, Gand OCs)

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  1. WarmNyota_SweetAyesha

    WarmNyota_SweetAyesha Host of Anagrams & Scattegories star 8 VIP - Game Host

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    Magnificent! Transcendent! =D=

    [:D] [face_love]

    This is indeed a personal and culture-wide pivotal moment for Zuckuss and Telfien. Their individual and joined abilities will indeed be of cosmic importance.

    @};-

    I can only imagine that Part 5 will be even more fascinating. ;)
     
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  2. Chyntuck

    Chyntuck Force Ghost star 5

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    My goodness, I didn't realise that it had been so long since I last reviewed this story, and I can only apologise profusely. I was reading along as you posted and I was waiting for the next update with bated breath, but I neglected to post here. Gand is most, most sorry! But I'm here at long last, and while I can't afford to go chapter-by-chapter if I want to finish this review in a reasonable amount of time, I'll do my best to do this AMAZING story justice.

    First things first: Otila needs to get a divorce. I mean, seriously. What is this wonderful woman doing being married to such a creep?

    Other than that, I'm putting the rest of my review under a spoiler tag, because I know that a lot of people are still catching up with this story and I don't want to spoil all the reveals for them.

    I remember you saying at some point that this story meant to be an origin story for both Telfien and Zuckuss, and here we have it: in this part, we learned Telfien's true parentage, but we also saw the prophecy of the Uncanny One come true. I don't have words to describe how momentous this is, and because I know from your other stories that Telfien and Zuckuss will part ways at some point in the future, I'm very impatient for part V.

    I am awed by many aspects of your writing in this part, but the one that really stands out to me is the way you handled Telfien's visions of the past. When I began to read these passages that appear to be written in a 2nd-person POV, I expected that you would put your own twist on it, because I know that you don't resort to this kind of literary artifice for no particular reason – but when I realised that it wasn't a 2nd-person POV but 1st-person, and that "you" was there because Trynfor is actually addressing Telfien... MY MIND WAS BLOWN. And you introduced Trynfor in the 1st person in a tiny, throwaway line at the end of a chapter "I shall watch over my own", it was just SO ARTISTICALLY DONE.

    I expected from the chapters I had already reviewed that Telfien would be somehow related to Trynfor, and again, I didn't expect that you'd dump a hidden lineage on us so I was wondering how you'd pull it off. The moment when Telfien jumps in the pool and calls for her father and mother should have been a clue that she's very, very directly related to him, but I didn't pick up on it until later. That was a really cool, well-handled reveal. Brava, Madam, brava!

    The second aspect that just blew me away was how you repeated the scene of the Tórganswani massacre again, and again, and again, with "interference" from Fengor, with encouragement from Zuckuss, until we got to see it unfold to the end. Every time it began, I was re-reading it carefully, checking for differences with previous versions, and waiting with bated breath again to see the end, and it really kept me hooked until the final chapter of the story. It was also a nice metaphor for how Telfien is growing up through this process – physically with Trynfor's Waters, of course, but also mentally and emotionally; and in parallel, we got to see Zuckuss come into his own. The entire passage where they are exchanging messages was absolutely endearing; it all felt very teenage love (which it is) but these two teenagers are discussing Very Serious and Important Topics, and they slowly take their first steps into a wider universe.

    Speaking of Zuckuss, he had some great moments throughout the story, not only for coming to terms with his feelings but also coming to terms with himself. It was a neat touch to have him struggle with the idea of being the Uncanny One and try to tone down his ego – and quite frankly, if Fengor was my father, I'd be very averse to overblown egos myself. And he takes some very brave decisions and stands up for himself at various moments in the story, like when he confronts Fengor in the Guardian's Chambers, or throws his piloting test to the winds in order to do what he knows he must. (Two minor side notes here: the scene where the librarian Kayzen is fangirling over him was a welcome moment of levity; and I enjoyed the irony that he first initiates Sneaking Mist to figure out what Fengor is doing, then actually sneaks into the Guardian's Chambers.)

    Now that I mentioned Fengor, I feel contractually obligated to say CREEP CREEP CREEP but yes, he's really that. He seems to think that being the Guardian of Trynfor's Treasure means that it actually belongs to him, which, ahem, he probably needs to open a dictionary here. The two scenes where he and Zuckuss come to blows were quite something. Zuckuss is only trying to stop him from causing harm, but Fengor's reaction is to actually want to hurt him. And when he decides to go into Isthien's crypt where the Mists are churning and claims that “The Mists dare not push the Guardian back!” – well, he clearly doesn't understand his place, nor does he understand what is truly at stake in that moment. He's really just a creep with an overinflated ego.

    Otila, on the other hand, comes across as a wonderful person, and I wasn't joking when I said that she needs to get a divorce. It was nice seeing her in an expanded role in this part of the story. In parts I-III, the focus in Zuckuss's family was very much on Fengor, since it was a lot about how Zuckuss got out from under his father's thumb and shadow, but here Otila got her well-deserved moment in the spotlight. Two points that I found interesting were that she recognises her son as the Uncanny One, even if he doesn't, and that she chose Isthien's crypt to keep Telfien safe from Fengor. It made me wonder if there was a misty premonition at work there, or if she actually had an inkling as to what was about to be revealed.

    Word Counter tells me that my review is already a wall of text, so I'm going to close it with a few bits and pieces and details that I very much enjoyed. First of all, Volokoss! I said in my earlier review that I liked his devious machinations, but, like Otila, he got a bigger role as the story went on, and he's such a good mentor to Zuckuss. He clearly realises that Zuckuss and Telfien are in love before they realise it themselves, and he mentors Zuckuss through those Complicated Emotions as well as his studies. Okkfel, meanwhile, is as grumpy as ever. I also enjoyed reading about Zuckuss's studies and new skills (as usual, your world-building was stupendous), and I particularly liked the piloting scene above the Great Temple when the two masters' voices are in his mind; that was a neat parallel to Telfien sensing Fengor and Zuckuss in her own. Another tiny detail that made me squee was the moment when Telfien is watching Luyen play the harp. Now we know where she learned!

    And of course, THE KISS and the Mists turning warm and golden. I never knew that I could turn into a puddle of mush over two insectoids kissing, but here we are.

    Reading and re-reading this has been such a fantastic journey! Thank you so, so much for writing this story, and know that I'll be here to read part V whenever you're ready to post it. =D= =D= =D=
     
  3. Pandora

    Pandora Force Ghost star 4

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    "And at long last, the truth has been revealed..."

    Even though I made haste to read this update as soon as I saw it was posted, it has taken me this long to finally compose a reply. (For the second time, as Rachel the Bandit of the Keyboard erased the first one from existence with one pawstep.)

    And yes, I was right. As to how I figured out that Telfien was herself the Treasure, it all pretty much came together in my head for me when Trynfor first stepped forward to reveal himself as the first person narrator. I had known, from "In Your Vault, in Your Mists, in Your Song," that he had to extract the treasure from Isthien's body, and that it was a traumatic experience for him, but I couldn't figure out what its exact nature could possibly be. But as Trynfor tells and shows her the story that is his and hers both, I suddenly knew--and when I did, it felt obvious. She has her father's eyes, and her mother's sacred healing talent.

    It will be interesting to see how Telfien deals with this information--that she is the daughter of such luminaries, born centuries after she was first conceived--in the future, both in this story and elsewhere. At this point, it must be still rather overwhelming. We can see, through Zuckuss's perspective, how Trynfor must have first appeared to her--and I had already gotten the distinct impression from "In Your Vault, in Your Mists, in Your Song" that he came across as rather intense, particularly for a Gand, in life--and death has not muted him in the slightest. But if he is a storm of a man/Gand, he is a gentle one.

    Nothing at all like Fengor, the much deserved Best Villain in the recent Favorites of Fanfiction Festival. Who is presently nowhere to be seen, whether by his own choice or whether he was dealt with legally--and he did just physically abuse his son in front of witnesses--I can't tell. But regardless, I'm sure he isn't out of the story for good.

    (As an aside, I had wondered why it was that Telfien didn't receive Trynfor's Waters when she entered the Sacred Trade as Zuckuss had, given her youth--but shrugged it off. I would suppose that perhaps, since she is officially a sub-apprentice, it wasn't considered as necessary, and it's also possible she is at least a little older than he was. But now the truth is out, I can only think that it's a good thing they didn't do that, as I can but wonder how the artificial waters would have affected her natural dormant ones.)

    Meantime, well--I will just say that I was not a bit surprised that the Mists allowed Zuckuss to enter the crypt, even if they didn't precisely make things easy for him. And after so much turmoil, he and Telfien are finally reunited in the flesh and the chitin--and they stumble almost by accident (at first, at least) into their first kiss in a way that is just simply so Gand, and so them as individuals. There is also a bittersweet shadow to it all, because as I know from your other stories, someday, Telfien and Zuckuss both will be out travelling the galaxy--and they will not be doing so together.

    But they're together for now, and together, they see the vision/memory through to its conclusion. What struck me, amongst the whole ghastly scenario where Trynfor had to perform a c-section on his dying wife, was how pragmatic she was--how she used the last of her breath to give him directions. Very Gand. I also noted that right before she died, she named their unborn child, but the name itself is not revealed. I don't know how those Gand distinguished enough to receive given names get those names, or who chooses them. It doesn't seem likely they are usually named such at birth considering that so many Gand never have that honor--neither of Telfien's parents did. [ETA: I went back and re-read the part where Zuckuss receives his first name, which was "designated for him by his Parents and Elders." It's unclear from the wording when exactly this took place.] So if Telfien goes by the given name Isthien chose, how would anyone living know to give it to her?

    Thus ends the spoiler section. And whenever you get to posting Part the Fifth, I will be there to read to see what happens next.
     
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  4. Mira_Jade

    Mira_Jade The (FavoriteTM) Fanfic Mod With the Cape star 5 Staff Member Manager

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    FIIIIINDS!!! I'M HEEERE!!! I FINALLY MADE IT!!!


    And goodness, but I'm happy to have come so far! It was such an adventure to read Parts One through Three, and I'm thrilled to be caught up on your current arc! This story continues to be just as epic as the earlier chapters in this saga, and you better believe that I have thoughts to share! (And *feelings*, so many feelings. :p)

    I don't know how many reviews it's going to take for me to catch up as this story deserves, so let me begin by reviewing the first two chapters . . .


    1 (XXIII)

    Right away, I have to applaud your phrasing! Between the realm of the Mists in Telfien's mind and the physical world of Gand, you put us in a mystical and almost liminal place to start - which is so perfectly apt! I was immediately drawn in. [face_hypnotized]

    Plus: all of the beautiful prose is beautiful.

    This is one of those scenes, again, that I felt that I could walk through for your descriptions. The physical mists always make for an ambiently ethereal scene as it is, but they felt even more so here in Telfien's mind. There's so much life in this scene, even amongst the poverty surrounding the humble gardeners' cottage - from the children to the gryckle to the trs'kin to the ripe fruit to the spent flowers that are ready to make way for new blooms . . .

    (and doesn't that all just hurt in its own way? :()

    It took me a second to realize what was happening, but when it did, my heart bottomed out. This is such a heavy topic to handle in fiction, and, with just a few words, you treated it with so much tenderness and care while conveying a truly poignant depth of sorrow. (Which I know is important for you, from your comments on your Shulma stories. [:D])

    And now, all of that life feels like a dearth of its own. =((

    Lekli is such a strong, stoic type that it's especially heart-tugging to see the subtle signs of her grief - their grief, for her husband treating her so delicately and so lovingly was also touching. :(

    Then, I was very intrigued for her husband's suggestion - especially given the later distrust Lekli still bears for Findsmen. (I mean, she still clearly bears it here, too.) Yet, it's certainly noteworthy. [face_thinking]

    On a side note, though, for how pragmatic and hard Telfien's parents were, it is very heartening to see how very clearly they loved each other here - and certainly Telfien too for the miracle she quite literally turns out to be. [face_love]

    It's especially intriguing that this is the first vision that Telfien sinks into after falling unconscious in the lulan grove! I was automatically smiling from what little she could sense of the outside world - Zuckuss, literally carrying her to safety, and the sense of security that garnered . . . until I realized that she's very much not at all being carried to safety and that Zuckuss is being quite literally forced to leave her behind.

    So: cue my first indignant :mad::eek: [face_not_talking] [face_bleh] of many.

    And, to put on the broken record once more: I absolutely love how you phrase and describe these ceremonial scenes! They're always such a pleasure to read. =D=

    I am both so, so proud of Zuckuss and want to know why he is HERE and not THERE!

    . . . I promise that I was a very patient reader throughout the opening of this story. :p ;)

    This is a feeling I can identify with! After a big crowd - even the best of crowds - it's such a relief to be returned to peace and privacy once more.

    Hee, there's still time. [face_mischief] [face_whistling]

    ZUCKUSS DOESN'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON EITHER??? His questions are very much my own, and -

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    One: Zuckuss is adorable as his mind chases itself like a pack of hungry akk hounds around a vulptex. He's very right to be concerned! This is concerning for anyone, left along his subapprentice, whom he bears a measure of responsibility for, and very much so for Telfien, whom he shares a particularly strong bond with. (Not even mentioning that burgeoning bond. ;) [face_love]) This is very much irregular and Not Right, and the Mists are prickling his intuition for a very good reason. [face_worried]

    Two: the statue of Trynfor and Zukfel, once again. Your foreshadowing remains excellent. [face_mischief] [face_whistling]

    EXCELLENT QUESTIONS - ASK THEM LOUDER

    Though I also laughed a little for the aside of Fengor always being That Way. :p :rolleyes:

    Oooh, more excellent xenophysiological details! =D=

    Aw, yeah. Now we're talking. :cool:

    [face_love]!!

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    . . . :eek: [face_worried] :mad:[face_bleh]

    I appreciate that the Mists aren't being at all subtle, because, yes: something is not right!

    Hear, hear!

    THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I'M SAYING

    But, meanwhile, Volokoss continues to be such a dear, and I love him. [face_love]

    [face_laugh]

    Of course they, did, indeed. :p Yet I wanted to take a moment to applaud how far Zuckuss has come since the beginning of Part II, again. There was a time when this thought would have had Zuckuss grinding his mandibles in the not so healthy kind of annoyance, both towards his teachers and himself. Now, he's more patiently long-suffering towards his elders - who very much want the best for him and are concerned - and accepting of his own emotions for the good and bad.

    HOW DOESN'T ANYONE KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON???

    Fengor is hitting new levels of creepy with this level of secrecy, as it seems he's all but absconded with Telfien without anyone's knowledge, to who knows what end - which is nothing less than an outright abduction by this point, and one that I can't imagine would be okay for even the Guardian and a senior Findsmaster. [face_waiting]

    Very, very lightly. [face_worried]

    I'm glad that Zuckuss confided in Volokoss - because it needed to be said!

    . . . and I am equally glad that Volokoss is taking this seriously, as he has paths that he can pursue that perhaps Zuckuss can't, even if he's currently uncertain of what those paths are - which Ratokk gave even more weight to. And that says even more to how grossly Fengor is acting. He has a level of power in their social hierarchy with little to no oversight, nor even checks and balances, in regards that power. He's abusing both his station and the trust of his fellow Findsmen in acting so far outside the range of propriety and even common decency that it's astounding.

    (Then, of course, I also had a good smile and a [face_tee_hee] for Zuckuss' embarrassment, no matter the situation. ;) [face_love])

    [face_rofl] [face_rofl]

    Have I mentioned before how awesome Volokoss is? Because he is. :cool:

    (And, I can say especially now in retrospect - how fitting it is that Isthien's treatise is the manuscript he was sent to "find". Every reference was just so clever in the build-up. [face_mischief])

    (Also, also: this is very much a side point, but I absolutely love Isthien's name and haven't said so yet - so I figured that I would fix that now. [face_love])


    2 (XXIV)
    This is a fascinating subsect of Findsmen, I approve! [face_hypnotized]

    Oh. [face_love] =((

    [face_hypnotized] [face_hypnotized] [face_hypnotized]

    In short: I have questions.

    But, until those questions are answered, your writing remains beautiful and I could see this scene play out so vividly in my mind's eye. =D=

    [face_hypnotized] [face_thinking]

    So. Many. Questions.

    Don't look now, Fengor, but your megalomania is showing. :rolleyes: o_O

    One: more lovely descriptions!

    Two: CREEP CREEP CREEP

    I mean . . . the gross disrespect for his own culture and belief system is abhorrent in its own right, but the lack of tender affection for his son is just nauseating - like the rotten zoochberry on top of a whole fetid sundae. [face_bleh]

    And, again: CREEP!

    . . . *side-eyes*

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    Every word from Fengor's POV is deeply uncomfortable in and of itself - but it's all the more so for the power imbalance he's abusing and the way that this a violation of Telfien's trust and privacy and autonomy and very self, in a way that's truly revolting. Such vampirical scenes can be a trick to pull off, so I have to extra applaud you for walking that fine line so well in making Fengor a truly reprehensible villain, all without leaning into those vibes in a manner that's any way gratuitous or overly repellant. =D=

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    One: Oooh, more pretty atmospheric descriptors - and again, I love the thoughts of an ammonia-based atmosphere versus an oxygen-based one in a practical sense.

    Two: [face_worried] :mad: [face_bleh] [face_sick]

    Oh, ow, ow, ow! But I loved the sense of the Mists being more like a healing balm. (And extra kudos for more subtle foreshadowing. :cool:)

    It's veeery interesting that this is the vision Telfien sinks into, even as Fengor begins his invasion.

    Yep: this subspecialty completely fascinates me. [face_hypnotized]

    &
    Even on my first read, this struck me as incredibly beautiful, even if I only had an inkling who the ghostly figures were and why they were there. Now, on a reread, it's even more poignant. [face_love] =D=

    Ack! And then there were these defensive forms scattered throughout! First, calling for Zuckuss through the Mark, and then with Telfien's singular specialty . . . [face_worried]

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    THIS LINE

    It's a simple one, but it reached out and grabbed me. [face_hypnotized]

    And I am so happy too! [face_love]

    From a narrative standpoint, I appreciate how this helped balance the emotions in this chapter, even as it is was very important to the plot and very relevant a vision for Telfien to experience now, as she's led through these series of visions.

    Oh, Telfien - my heart just broke for her here. But she indeed has the strength - she has the strength for this and far more. [face_love]

    ~ G O O S E F L E S H ~


    Whew! That was an intense opening to a story if ever was one. Right away, I was immediately hooked for more, and couldn't help but dive right in.

    . . . which I will back to ramble about in greater detail soon! [face_love]


    =D= [:D]
     
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