Full Series The Clone Wars 7.09 - Old Friends Not Forgotten - Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed)

Great episode. I must admit to forgetting previous episodes of TCW, but was

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referenced in other episodes in previous seasons?

I mentioned in an earlier post that it’s going to be good to see how this now dovetails in to ROTS, and sure enough we get this episode that sees events going whilst Anakin and Obi Wan race back to Coruscant to rescue Palpatine from Grievous. Can’t wait to see how it plays out in the final few episodes with Ahsoka.

 

When Maul killed Satine, his strength in the Force grew. He had finally achieved what he considered at the time, his perfect revenge against Obi-Wan. He declared himself and Savage the True Lords of the Sith.

Palpatine sensed that shift in the Force. We see him calling for his ship as soon as Maul has Obi-Wan taken away.

When he confronts Maul and Savage, he declares them to be his rivals. That's why he went to Mandalore to face them himself. They were now a direct threat to him.

That's why he goes to Mandalore, kills Savage and strips Maul of his Sith title. Effectively removing Maul as a threat to his aacendancy.

 

7/10

Easily the best episode of the season. Good action scenes. The interaction between Ahsoka, Anakin, and Obi-Wan could have been better. It wasn't bad, but in typical Filoni form, tonally inconsistent. I would have liked to see them spend a few beats more on Anakin giving Ahsoka back her lightsabers. Would have given the moment a little more gravitas than it did. Instead we got a 'Here's your lightsabers, but I gotta run.' kind of moment. I would have liked the ending to be a bit more abrupt. I think it would have fit better with the action leading up to it. I would have had Maul already waiting on Ahsoka as she runs in, then the rest of Maul's forces closing her off. I know I'm nitpicking a bit on things, but all in all a good episode.

 

She's listed in the credits. It's the same voice actress and character.

 

Rex was told by Ahsoka to go back up Ursa at the docks.

 

Haven't seen any of this last season but can I ask those that have:

What are the chances of the very last words being "execute order 66" abd said in the dark? Or do you think that occassion takes place off screen (possibly in the next episode)?

 

I see your Rook & Sabine do favor each other. I'm guessing Sabine is still an infant during this time line.

 

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According to the episode descriptions, order 66 will happen in episode 3 of this arc, and episode 4 will be Ahsoka and Rex trying to survive it. I think it's safe to say we're going to get another order 66 montage just like in the movie, especially since some of the characters that are involved in order 66 got new/updated models. (Kanan, Depa billaba, commander Bacara, commander Bly, commander Cody)

 

She'd be about two. And no Sabine and Rook are not related. Just because Rook dyes her hair does not mean that she is Sabine's mother.

 

Lol, this makes me think of The Sapranos. Can you imagine if TCW did something like Rex gets there call "Execute order 66!" And that's it, it just goes to black? Be lots of broken TVs after that.

 

Mod Edit: No Mini Modding.

 

In regards to the spoiler above. Let's move that particular discussion to the Official Clone Wars thread.

@Darkslayer

You accidentally opened it. I appreciate you bringing it to my attention but there's no need to mini mod.

 

Looking for where I said Rook was Sabine's mother or that they were related.

 

You said they favour each other in you're post above in response to two photos comparing them side by side.

 

Yes to me they do favour. To me.
Nothing more nothing less.

 

"Some of the best animated Star Wars that's ever been made"

 

This is the first Star Wars related thing in years (Besides the Mandalorian)that I’ve found almost nothing negative about.

 

It feels good. I've yet to see the episode but the feedback is universally positive. Filoni understands the brand.

 

In the beginning, Kenobi is made to look like an idiot and a coward, hiding behind debris, barely fighting or leading his troops, only so Anakin can come in and save him. This was done to give the audience a low opinion of Kenobi so that the audience will continue to look down on him with his conflict with Ahsoka. The show also make Kenobi look dumbfounded when he and Ahsoka were debating about helping Death Watch. Ahsoka attitude was just like Anakin attitude in the PT movies, and we saw Kenobi stand up to him. But in this episode he just has to stand there and take Ahsoka's yelling. And when Coruscant is announced to be attack, Anakin seemed to have no reaction. His close "friend" Palpatine, and Padme, his pregnant wife, are on the planet. But showing a reaction would justify Kenobi and the show won't allow that. Also, the clones are suppose to be loyal to the Republic, not the Jedi. Ahsoka is not part of the Grand Army of the Republic anymore, so why are clones following her, and assist in helping Death Watch, who are enemies of the Republic.

And why is Bo-Katan there, and why isn't Kenobi either trying to arrest her or chop off her head? Bo joins Death Watch and first tries to overthrow Mandalore, with separatist help. When this fails, she and Death Watch join with Maul and criminal organizations to invade and finally take over Mandalore. Then Maul challenges her boss, Vizsla, to a "legal" duel for leadership. Vizsla accepted the challenge and loses. Bo gets upset and fights Maul and his loyalist. Now Bo is begging the Republic and the Jedi to help her take out Maul, but then give her control of Mandalore. She want the Republic to do her job for her and then give her the paycheck. Why doesn't Bo just challenge Maul to another duel, or encourage the Manderlore population to rise up against Maul and his loyalist? Because she is scared to fight Maul alone, and the population doesn't want Death Watch in control. So why is Ahsoka even helping her. Because these are two fan-favorite characters that some people would like to see team-up even if it makes little story sense?

 

No Katan rescued Obi Wan which I’m guessing is why Obi Wan didn’t arrest her.Plus she’s trying to do good by capturing Maul.

 

Because she saved Kenobi from Maul when Kenobi was captured in Mandalore. She is also the sister of Satine, she even said that in the same episode.

 

Bo-Katan is out for revenge plain and simple, but when the "good guys" to it its OK, but when the "bad guy"s do it, then its biblical bad and thee must suffer,lol.


Her saving Kenobi could be interpreted as her wanting to simply use Kenobi as her weapon against Maul and the Republic as well , since she needed the Republic as her army which she lacks all the way back in The Lawless.In fact its kinda the same story, but now Ahsoka is in and Kenobi is out. I don't like the writing so far, they seem to make Anakin more like dumb jock stereotype trying hard to get the girl, too much showboating, Maul is too marginalized as a threat(cept by Obi-Wan but they make him out've character as largely cowardly or indifferent), Grievous all of a sudden is bumped up a notch, Dooku is completely forgotten about while Sith Master altogether absent from memory(which makes Dark Disciple a joke). They really glanced over the fact that Bo-Katan was a terrorist and mass murderer and was also responsible for Satine's death and prior attempts on her life. They keep trying to drive home that Satine was some kinda saint-like figure, even Bo-Katan tries to paint that picture which is just schizophrenic storytelling.

At this point it only makes sense if Bo-Katan is just using Ahsoka to gain power and ruler Mandalore like Pre, but I don't think the storytellers have the pills to do that and make her a bad girl again, its just a user interpretation,lol.

 

Ahsoka isn't doing this to help Bo-Katan. Nothing suggests that. She's doing it because Maul is a threat to people everywhere that she can't ignore and she can't do it alone. It's a common enemy situation, nothing more. Purely transactional. Just as reaching out to Anakin and Obi-Wan were.

She's also spent a lot of time lost and aimless and needs a cause to fight for again. She's not the kind (at least not yet) that can sit in a desert hut for 20 years. She needs to be doing something. She's fed up with the Republic and the Jedi so she's not about to become their tool again and she's not going to go so far as cross sides to the Seps. As an unaligned system, Mandalore is a natural landing place for her, especially given her prior work for Satine. Neither Republic nor Sep, just as she is neither Jedi nor Sith.

 

Bo-Katan betrayed her sister and Mandalore by overthrowing the legitmate government. If Maul was still a Death Watch ally, or lackey, she wouldn't have cared what happened to Kenobi. She wants to use Republic forces to take out/capture Maul so she can claim Mandalore for herself (Death Watch). This is no different that when she and Vizsla were using Maul and the criminals to take out Satine's government.

The episode is forcing a scenario that doesn't make sense for the characters.

 

No she's doing it to help Bo-Katan clearly. Bo-Katan needs a Jedi like she and Pre needed a Sith to overthrow Satine and her government and Jedi allies, its the same story but in reverse.

Ahsoka has no place in galactic affairs, she's a non-combatant and reduced to no rank, she's civilian. While during this arc she's nothing more than self-righteous mercenary that fancies herself a crusader She's no longer a Jedi. her stint with the sisters is a big shark jump , but one right into a shark tank, its unbelievable naive and insane. She's also leading an invasion into a sovereign and independent planet and region. Am sorry, but this is not Onderon, and she's not even connected to the Jedi or anybody remotely in rival power anymore. Maul might be commanding the Pyke cartel and others but not everyone views Spice as evil or even illegal outside of the Republic. Different laws, no laws, and cultures ect. Since spice in Star Wars was also partially modeled on the spice from Dune, its unwise to think its simply "narcotics" in fact we know it has positive connections and the fact is the Jedi and the Republic were making deals with the criminal Jabba and the Hutts way back during the TCW movie. So am afraid its too much of a grey area at this point for Ahsoka to be white knighting, especially during a galactic civil war where systems that were neutral (places like Mandalore and 2,000 other neutral systems that it influenced that Maul ruled) or govern themselves independently and/or into a new body which was the Confederacy of Independent Systems.

And Bo-Katan was also Death Watch and a war criminal , she was there when Pre overthew Satine. Ahsoka somehow sided with her now and all is well. Its just Ahsoka out for action and having a bloodlust but the writers have to come up with a way to make it look good when its bad writing.

Now they had Kenobi shut her down with facts, but Ahsoka threw a tantrum with a baseless accusation in her rant. Suddenly, the people of Coruscant are not important anymore to fight a war for but Maul and Mandalore (an independent system) are. Its dumb. Yeah the audience knows Palpatine is evil and root of all the killing of the Clone War(s), but not in universe Ahsoka or anybody not directly connected to Palpatine or killed by him or thers.