Full Series The Clone Wars 7.12 - Victory and Death (SERIES FINALE!) - Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed)

The political leader of the CIS never needed to be a sith lord or someone with force power; it was just an useful asset of Dooku. If Maul was still around after TPM as the apprentice; Palpatine could have just used some charismatic Tarkin-type figure to lead the political side of the CIS while Maul would be the military leader. I never understood the argument why the political leader absolutely needed to be someone with force powers.. the Grand Moffs also weren't sith lords but it doesn't make them less effective.

Just because Maul wouldn't be as charismatic as Dooku isn't proof Sidious would have eventually replaced him with Dooku; as I'm sure there are hundreds of charismatic non-force users with enough wealth and connections that could fill that role for Sidious as good as Dooku did.

 

Ahsoka can blow up planets with her bare hands, or rebuild entire star systems with her feet for all I care. She is NOT overpowered. She is just a full on, one girl wrecking machine. This season put her and Maul up there on a pedestal with Sidious, Obi Wan, Yoda, Anakin, Bane, Revan, even REY!!!! - I don't give a hoot! And I for one LAPPED it up. So what, she is powerful as all of them, she's been training for years. What stands her out....she's a rogue because she has a conscience, she has a heart! BEST CHARACTER EVER!

 

Despite the fact Jessie's not really anything major before this arc, I do really like selecting him as the face of the clones executing order 66, given he's got the symbol stamped on his head.

 

Perhaps that would have been better, as he was risking Dooku becoming a rival, which likely would have happened if he didn't kill him before the endgame.

He's gonna have to get a new tattoo now. Or maybe the empire doesn't like tattoos in the postwar army.

Edit: oops, nvm. He's dead

 

The helmet? Too soon man... there are too many onions being cut around here when the thread lands on the first page.

 

This is the absolute best explanation of the ending. Scroll down the article until you get to the final scene section. It explains everything you need to know about Morai the Convor.

https://screenrant.com/star-wars-clone-wars-season-7-ending-explained-darth-vader/

 

Fitting conclusion to an epic period in SW lore. Filoni and co. have delivered once again.
Can't fault Ahsoka for not wanting to kill more clones, she is who she is and she's true to herself.
Love Maul's mindset how Clones don't concern him like asteroid fields don't concern Vader in ESB.

Assuming Ahsoka leaving her lightsaber behind was meant to be a sign to others she has perished.
Rex's kill or be killed mentality is true the clones DNA. Would have liked to have seen Rex' helmet next to Jesse's on a stick, but hey that's nitpicking.

All in all, the first 3 parts of the 'Siege' we sooooo good, part 4 would have been hard pressed to match. However nothing in this last episode
detracts from my opinion that the Siege of Mandalore" arc is a perfect 10/10. Concluded the clone war has.

 

Not quite. There are many of us who think the Sister arc was poor.
For the final 4 part though you're right

 

I'd argue that using a former Jedi as the political leader of the CIS was extremely important for how we see the plan play out. Maul could have still worked, no doubt, but the plan would have been different.

By having Dooku, a former Jedi, lead the CIS it makes the entire Clone Wars easy to frame as a Jedi problem. It's Jedi fighting Jedi. It's caused by Jedi. It's some Jedi business gone bad and now the entire galaxy suffers. This works to help turn the galaxy against the Jedi in a relatively short time.

And by having a Force users and Sith Lord lead the CIS it helps bait the Jedi to fully become engaged in the war.

Did the leader of the CIS need to be an ex-Jedi or Force user? No. But it does make it much easier to blame the Jedi for the the war. And it makes it much easier for the citizens of the galaxy to accept an Empire and reject the Jedi at wars end.

So for the plan we see Palpatine follow - having Dooku an exJedi lead the CIS is very important. It give the Jedi someone to directly engage with. And knowing or suspecting Dooku is a Sith makes this even more important for the Jedi.

But if this was a real war that wasn't fixed by Palaptine, a Tarkin type or some other leader would work just fine.

 

Wow....just wow. I saved the 4 episodes to watch as a movie together (which from the editing for the beginnings and ends of episodes I think is pretty clearly Dave's intentions. You can cut out the intros and credits and you have the movie all assembled) and THAT was peak Star Wars. Just absolutely floored by everything. 10/10 easily.

-The Lucasfilm Limited and classic Star Wars theme sent instant chills up my spine.
-One last Obi-Wan and Anakin as comrades and brothers fight
-Anakin and Ahsoka seeing each other again
-The Clones with the helmet paint reveal knowing what was going to happen (I cried here)
-The actual Siege itself and the race, Maul delivering *killer speech after killer speech* followed by one of the best lightsaber duels
-Hearing the rise of Darth Vader followed by the edge-of-my-seat Order 66 scene. My jaw was just fully dropped and purely enraptured.
-Rex crying and Ahsoka comforting him (choked up here)
-Darth Maul somehow one upping Vader in RO and tearing the ship out of hyperspace
-Ahsoka falling through the sky and debris as Rex tries to grab her in the bomber

And nothing prepared me for the heartbreaking final scenes of Ahsoka at the graves followed by Vader finding her saber and walking away in the reflection of the helmet. Such a beautifully melancholic ending. I think I can say without a doubt that is the best final shot of a Star Wars film. Just *dripping* with emotions and meaning. I was pretty much sobbing for the final 5 minutes.

And Dave...I need that Rebels sequel more than ever now. Complete the animated trilogy of show!

 

So Ashoka really was going to behead Maul right there and then; after he had done nothing really wrong to her throughout this arc ?

 

This entire arc has been nothing but how powerful and how important can Filoni make Ahsoka. How much can he force her into the events of a movie just to make her look like super awesome? Luke's efforts to turn his father have been undercut and undermined by Filoni. In ESB, we see the reveal of Vader's offspring surviving being the catalyst of the cracks in his adherence to the dark side. Thanks to Filoni here, and in Rebels, Luke's efforts are now less impactful as we see those cracks beginning with Ahsoka instead of Luke. I'm expecting a redo of the end of ROTJ with Anakin telling Luke, "You were right. You were right about me. Tell your sister and Ahsoka, you were right."

With the plot armor, this entire season, and this arc especially, felt more like Rebels season 5 instead of Clone Wars season 7. Falling nose first through the atmosphere should have disintegrated the ship as it, and everything on it, burned up entering the atmosphere. Especially with the bay doors open, not a single individual would have survived. Yet, not only does no one perish, Ahsoka can run across falling ship parts, and float through the debris of a crumbling ship. In AOTC, we see Obi-Wan get pushed backwards by the thrust when Jango Fett takes off from Kamino, but Ahsoka can not only withstand it, but can force pull the shuttle? Obi-Wan now is effectively a novice force user, thanks to Filoni. yoda survives Order 66 because he only has to take out 2 clone troopers, and gets help from the Wookies to escape, but Ahsoka can survive an entire Star Destroyer of clones, who are actively intent on killing her, and only has the help of Rex, and does it all without a scratch? Thank you, Filoni, Yoda is now barely above a novice.

I'm severely disappointed in this season. It's had some good moments, and some nice scenes, but ultimately, for me, it has come up short, and desperately left me wanting for what this show used to be. This was supposed to be an anthology to the prequels, and it did a wonderful job filling in the events between AOTC and ROTS. Yet now, it has been turned into an homage to Filoni's pet project and fan service for all of the Ahsoka fans out there. And, no I'm not trolling. I'm genuinely disappointed about how this season has played out. Disappointed by how Ahsoka was used in this season, and how so many characters that made the Clone Wars a phenomenal show, were discarded over this last season,Mod Edit: Nope.

 

@Darth Chuck Norris

Yeah. We aren't going in that direction. Thanks.

 

Yes, and it was great entertainment, wasn't it? At least I loved it! (and looking at the votes the majority did)

 

By having Jesse order the termination and killing of Ahsoka it gave the order a more personal feeling, after all Ahsoka was there to help with his rescue and then he was by her side until Anakin’s turn. Then him accusing Rex of treason as well was.... emotional and added the needed depth to the situation before Rex & Ahsoka

 

I never wade into power-level debates because I just don't care; the action either works, or it doesn't. But beyond that, the thing with Ahsoka is that she was taught by Anakin. She was taught to be resourceful, to think outside the box, to stretch herself in ways I'm pretty certain other Padawans weren't. It's only natural that someone who's been doing that over the course of a protracted war would not only learn novel tricks, but develop a pretty keen instinct for improvising, in ways even more powerful Force users wouldn't. And even beyond that, focus is a significant element of mastery of the Force. One could just say she's unusually attuned to the Force at the most perilous moments here.

Not saying it works on-screen, but I fail to see how her acts are not reconcilable in theory.

 

I felt the same way. It was like watching the Order 66 commencement in RotS. I just watched silently, eyes wide like a kid. I was an adult for RotS, too, but watched that like a wide eyed kid as well. It's always odd for me when the "rebels" or jedi get their a**es kicked, because the Jedi council makes a lot of choices that really make me dislike them. But then when they lose I'm always devastated. The loss of the clones on the ship in episode 12 was upsetting. But I think it made the end of the Clone Wars more devastating because you also know what is happening to every one else because of the RotS scene lol.

 

I can't help but notice that the Clones really started shooting like storm troopers in this episode.
There were hundreds of them there, and they get one shot off on Rex and a couple blasts were apparently absorbed in Ahsoka's armor, but they really did not do very well with precision here.

Though their execution of the droids was surprisingly ruthless. I went into the episode expecting them to fall, but when the clones lined up and blasted them into oblivion, that was brutal. Especially after all the work the show did to humanize droids... ouch, just ouch.

 

There's a number of things that would have been nice to see but ultimately were unnecessary to Ahsoka and Rex's escape. High up on that list is how the non clone members of the GAR and Navy reacted to Order 66. Would Meebur Gascon and Yularen be forced to comply, for example?

 

As much as I love certain parts of the episode, Maul, Vader, Ashoka and Rex burying the Clones, I would have liked more.
Rex and Ashoka getting the Recall message and then getting Obi-Wan's message, learning about Padme, the Empire, Ashoka not being able to sense Anakin, etc.

 

Goodbye.

 

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