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Full Series The Clone Wars Chronological Order (TCW Episodes & Viewing Orders)

Discussion in 'Star Wars TV- Completed Shows' started by han_solo_321, Feb 4, 2009.

  1. GGrievous

    GGrievous Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    However, in Shadow of Malevolence there was a reference to one of the Droid episodes. Per that and Wild Space, I still believe the two droid episodes take place after the movie.
     
  2. Armchair_Admiral

    Armchair_Admiral Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    I contemplated placing the two closer together, but I also wanted some time to pass between Domino Squad finishing training and the assault on the Rishi Moon, giving the clones enough time to become bored.

    Since no source has yet to confirm that there are episodes that take place before "Cat and Mouse", the canonical assumption is that "Clone Cadets" and "ARC Troopers" happen sometime after "Cat and Mouse", which remains the official first episode in the CWAS chronology.

    1. I already mentioned that I intentionally ignored the comics and novels when I compiled my personal viewing order.
    2. While the CWAS crew may have originally intended for Anakin's fear of Ahsoka's flying in "Shadow of Malevolence" to be a product of the Droid-duo, the fact of the matter is that Anakin didn't really seem all that unnerved back in "Downfall of a Droid" when Ahsoka piloted the Twilight. Compare that to Anakin's reaction in "Rising Malevolence" when Ahsoka briefly took over the controls when she sensed Plo Koon. Due to these reasons, I feel my placement of the Malevolence-trilogy is a good fit.
     
  3. SpecialOpsUnit

    SpecialOpsUnit Jedi Master star 4

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    As per the episode guide ARC Troopers takes place much later than Rookies. I'd personally put it a couple of months down so it gives Echo and Fives more battle experience.
     
  4. GGrievous

    GGrievous Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    It's the sequel to Rookies, though. Look at the newsreel.

    And ArmchairAdmiral, I'll explain what I meant soon. I don't agree with parts of what you said.
     
  5. Gry Sarth

    Gry Sarth Ex 2x Banhammer Wielding Besalisk Mod star 5

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    Being a sequel doesn't mean it comes right after it. It just means it comes after it. In the episode guide they say that ARC Troopers take place further down the timeline from Rookies, because you need time for Echo and Fives to gain more experience, plus the Seppies wouldn't try to invade Kamino two times consecutively.

    I just HATE that we have Phase II armour in Clone Cadets. Hate it. It's not even common for clones to have nicknames in that episode, as Bric points out, and yet we have Phase II prototypes being worn around....
     
  6. Garth Maul

    Garth Maul Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Animators being lazy?

    I agree it doesn't make sense at all. Where does Senate Murders (first glimpse in the series of Phase 2) fit in?
     
  7. SpecialOpsUnit

    SpecialOpsUnit Jedi Master star 4

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    Exactly. We can hold the those 3 episodes as a trilogy but ARC Troopers is later down the road for sure.
     
  8. GGrievous

    GGrievous Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    See the newsreel. :p
     
  9. CaptainYossarian

    CaptainYossarian Jedi Master star 3

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    If the cloning project was begun ten years before Ep II though, couldn't the Kaminoans have had designs for more 'elite' armour for a long time? They may have conceived of the idea a long time before and then when the war actually started they put it into practice by making improvements to the first design. So the Phase 1.5 may have been around for a while but only used for the elite troops as seen in 'Clone Cadets'. Then during the war there was eventually a need to improve the basic armour and so the features of the ARC armour were used in that to create the new Phase 2 which everybody was wearing eventually.

    So Phase 1 and 1.5 armour could have been around for almost as long as each other, but the latter was only used by ARCs. Then when they had to improve Phase 1, the Kaminoans took the improvements of ARC armour to create Phase 2, which then became the standard for the army.
     
  10. The2ndQuest

    The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    Lack of Ahsoka doesn't automatically mean it's set before the movie- it's just one factor that can determine that.

    Since Rookies, as far as we know, is set after the movie, then that means ARC Troopers has to be also (though not necessarily right after Rookies).

    Clone Cadets could be set before the movie, but since it doesn't include any of the "main cast" (or other specific references- though the Y-Wings could be one such minor factor), it's impossible to tell right now if it is or not- so for now it's grouped with it's connecting episode(s) (in this case, Rookies, at the very least).


    Agreed- I was just commenting on those concepts as alternate viewing orders, which would make for some unqiue viewing experiences (which would, if you didn't catch the Ahoksa reference or read Wild Space, seemingly flow together well).


    As I stated, since we cannot, as of yet, determine how much further down the timeline ARC Troopers is from Rookies, it's being grouped with it's companion stories for the time being until further episodes (or an official episode order/timeline) can state otherwise.

    Otherwise, ARC Troopers could be placed practically anywhere in the order and there'd be no way to argue for or against any of them.

    However, perhaps I'll note that in my next update's list so it's more clear.
     
  11. Armchair_Admiral

    Armchair_Admiral Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    I would like to know what details I've apparently missed, then.

    Big problem: the Kaminoans never intended to activate the ARC Troopers until the First Battle of Kamino, and we know that the RCs stick with their special Phase 1 armor in the CWAS. Why then would the clone masters commission armor for units that were not meant to be used?
     
  12. koonfan

    koonfan Jedi Knight star 4

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    Perhaps they recognised the tactical advantages of the ARC Troopers whether they were meant to be activated or not, and manufactured superior armour for their operations. Or maybe it wasn't originally intended for ARC Troopers, but exceptionally elite clone commanders.
    They might have thought that the more experienced clommanders might warrant the prototypes, like it was originally meant for clones that fit in their programs, but if the ARC Troopers were activated, why not give them better armour NOW since they have it already? Even if they're more independent and difficult to control, it's hard to argue with the results the ARCs get, so why not trick them out? :p
     
  13. SpecialOpsUnit

    SpecialOpsUnit Jedi Master star 4

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    That's the thing though, obviously TCW can change that if they really wanted. ARC Troopers could of been active since Day 1 for all we know. With them being ARC Troopers they had the chance to try out the new armor and new toys early on.

    Though I agree I think it's too early for us to see the phase 1.5 armor. It's only a minor nitpick and doesn't change my opinion of Clone Cadets at all.
     
  14. Alexrd

    Alexrd Chosen One star 6

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    That's not Phase II armour. It's 1.5 or whatever you wan't to call it, and it's still being tested. That's why only the ARC Troopers on Kamino have them.
     
  15. Gry Sarth

    Gry Sarth Ex 2x Banhammer Wielding Besalisk Mod star 5

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    There's your newsreel. So what? As I said, after, not right after. The first attack on Kamino was foiled by the actions of the Rishi Moon rookies. The Separatists had to come up with a different plan, and implement it. Build those dettachable pods for the surprise underwater attack. Those things take time.
     
  16. The2ndQuest

    The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    Well, the events of ARC Troopers are likely several months after the first Battle of Kamino where the ARC Troopers were first let out of stasis.

    And since that battle, the ARCs have had their chance to prove their usefulness in battle (at least to the Jedi/Republic- it's possible the Kaminoans may have still thought of them as too unstable, but who cares what they think? ;)).

    That part is obvious, since now they are actively recruiting/training "new ARCs" (like, IIRC, one briefly shown in The Cestus Deception) from the regular troopers, beyond the original "genetic ARCs" (like Alpha and the Munnilist 10).

    And, as Filoni mentions in the commentary, only the ARCs have the 1.5 armor, as they're still experimenting with the new armor and ARCs, etc.

    The RCs still have their Katarn armor because it's battlefield-ready on a slightly larger deployment scale. If the 1.5 ARC armor has any flaws, they probably lose one clone. If they started using them wider and there's a flaw, they lose a squad.
     
  17. MadameLibrarian

    MadameLibrarian Jedi Youngling

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    I was watching Holocron Heist last night and when I saw the Wolfpack I remember a video, Hasbro Clone Wars Spoilers, I think... where Filone says that after the Malevolence incident Commander Wolf chage the color of the Wolfpack to blue.

    Is this a confirmation that Holocron Heist, Cargo of Doom and Children of the Force take place before the Malevolence trilogy?

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  18. GGrievous

    GGrievous Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Gry, generally a sequel would take place right after another story. In this case, Rookies. I don't think ARC troopers would take place months after Rookies. Perhaps months between Rookies and ARC Troopers were no TCW episodes in between, but not the opposite. I wouldn't see those episodes connect then, other than seeing Echo and Fives.
     
  19. Gry Sarth

    Gry Sarth Ex 2x Banhammer Wielding Besalisk Mod star 5

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    TESB is a sequel to ANH, and it takes place 3 years afterwards. AOTC is a sequel to TPM, and that takes place 10 years afterward. The fact is that the creators of the show stated clearly that ARC Troopers takes places a while after Rookies, so Echo and Fives can get enough experience to become ARC Troopers by the end of the episode.
     
  20. GGrievous

    GGrievous Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    I think you misunderstood me, and I thought it was going to happen as well. :p What I meant Gry, in TCW, we normally never see an episode (that is part of a story arc) be separated from its arc, with the exception of those two film prequels. If ARC Troopers took place a few months after Rookies with no episodes in between, then we might see some continuity and consistency. Otherwise, we never actually seen Echo nor Fives get "experience." Maybe this season will take care of that and then you're most likely correct with having episodes in between Rookies and ARC Troopers. It would make better sense then.
     
  21. Gry Sarth

    Gry Sarth Ex 2x Banhammer Wielding Besalisk Mod star 5

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    This is a special kind of arc. It's more of a "saga" than an arc. The three stories are not really interconnected, as much as it is the character development in them that binds them together. Therefore they don't need to (and shouldn't) take place one right after the other. They can happen one at a time, with other episodes in between, maturing the characer developments in the meantime.
     
  22. GGrievous

    GGrievous Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    For right now, we should connect Clone Cadets, Rookies, and ARC Troopers since those are the only episodes we've seen that feature Echo, Fives, ect. Generally it would make better sense that way, since we actually haven't seen any other Echo and Fives episodes. Until we see them get experience, I think this would be the best way to go. But since I read that interview in Insider, Echo and Fives will have recurring roles in season three, so that might just take care of it.
     
  23. The2ndQuest

    The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    Yeah, I agree- until we have an episode either showing that experience (it would have to be one produced sometime after ARC Troopers, if ARC Troopers was originally meant to be directly after Rookies) or establishing the events of ARC Troopers in relation to other events we know have to be further down the timeline in relation to other episodes, it makes the most sense to group the Clone Trilogy together for now.


    So they're blue in Malevolence Trilogy but red in the Bane/BH Quintet?

    I'm not sure you could fit the Quintet before Malevolence- Ambush already overlaps with the events of the Droid Duo, and there's not much space between the Droid Duo and Malevolence to begin with. Nor do I think it would fit well immediately post-movie/pre-Droid Duo (though it would place Ziro's escape closer to the events of the movie in an interest psuedo-epilogue to the film- but it wouldn't fit that well because you still have to have Bounty Hunters before it).
     
  24. MadameLibrarian

    MadameLibrarian Jedi Youngling

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    Actually they are red in RIsing Malevolence,
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    red in Holocron Heist,
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    and blue in R2 Come Home.
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  25. Koonster

    Koonster Jedi Youngling star 2

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    Wolfe is in the Venator during the Battle of Felucia. The soldier in the Wolfpack armor may just be another member of the wolfpack.