Full Series The Clone Wars Chronological Order (TCW Episodes & Viewing Orders)

Regardless of the tense Obi-Wan uses in reference to Satine, the entire conversation makes no sense if placed after the Mauldalore arc. "Hmm, Anakin seems to be worried that Senator Amidala is going to be killed if she works with this Clovis fellow. I know, I'll tell him about the woman that I loved that was recently murdered by our enemies, that will surely allay his fears!"

I'm pretty much following the official timeline but Clovis will probably be one I move.

 

Glad to see it updated, though just curious as to why you place the Clovis arc in between the Droids and Mauldalore arcs? Clovis' production numbers would suggest it goes in between Onderon and the Younglings arc.

It doesn't seem to matter much storytelling-wise, I'm just curious what the reasoning is.

 

I figured it would be best to put it as late as possible since the official order has it where it is in Season 6. The models change in Revival and Tim Curry starts to dub some lines in that arc as well. I don't know this for sure, but it sounded like he did a few lines in the new Clovis arc. I probably should have checked the production order first since that's where it was actually intended to go. Anyone else have any thoughts on where it should be moved to?

 

Well Leeland Chee tweeted that it occurs during the Season 6 timeline. The model change and voice has nothing to do with the order... the Clovis arc is meant to come after the Order 66 arc. I'm sure they moved it because it made more sense in the stories they were trying to tell in Season 6 to move it back in the timeline chronologically. So regardless of what production order it was changed to, it is meant to occur in Season 6.

 

I think putting it in production order makes sense. TCW crew made a clear effort starting from Nightsisters to produce it in a completely linear order. Not to mention that was where it was originally going to air, and the only reason it didn't was because CN wouldn't allow Season 5 to be 23 episodes. It was written to be between the Younglings and Gascon arcs.

 

But is it supposed to come after the Maul/Mandalore arc with "The Lawless"? You have to admit that the idea of Obi-Wan just being "stoic" when not acknowledging that Satine is dead is pretty weak. Anybody following the series would immediately be taken out of it. I know I was.

 

Why don't they just put out an official Clone Wars episodes timeline?! Though I reckon DarthMarino's timeline is pretty spot on. If you watched them in the order he suggested I think it'd flow pretty well!

 

They did. It's essentially what I have posted with 2 exceptions. In Lightsaber Lost, Ahsoka is introduced to a character for the first time that she's already been seen with in Grievous Intrigue. I moved that on my chart because we can mostly all agree that this was an oversight on the official order. We are currently debating where the 3 new Clovis episodes should go. My latest chart has these episodes in a different order than the official order.

 

Obi-Wan isn't like Anakin... Though it was devastating for him, he managed to move past it. I agree the line is odd but it can fit to be placed after that arc.

 

I do allow for the EU to be fit into my own Clone Wars timeline, so the Sleight of Hand predating the Xanadu Blood works for me and I allow episode arrangement to fit around that. Also loved the Clone Wars Republic Heroes game where Sleight of Hand featured, so I don't want to "decanonize" that in my personal timeline. (I even placed 'The Lost One' in 19 BBY so it can take place after Chapter 11 of 'Labyrinth of Evil', where the Jedi still don't know who Tyranus is).

A possibility in favor of the official Season 6 order for the Clovis arc is that ends with the banks under the control of the Supreme Chancellor. I imagine that unless the Confederacy quickly finds another means of paying droid/war manufacturers, they are running out of time (I don't know if CIS financing is covered in the EU) and head straight into the climax of ROTS. This placement works better if it's as late into the war as possible.

I also think in some ways the season 6 Clovis placement works better for Anakin's character--people point out he acts "more mature" or whatever during the series, and I think that may be due to Ahsoka keeping him grounded and Anakin subconsciously setting a better example for her. Once Ahsoka's influence is gone, he becomes more unhinged (like giving Clovis a ruthless beatdown) and leads better into the massively confused guy we see in ROTS. Anakin doesn't get that excuse if the Clovis arc is in the Season 5 production timeline.

 

But Leland Chee seems to say otherwise...

 

The reality of the situation is that Lucasfilm has already released the “official” order in various forms including a hardcover book. They don’t want to go back and say “oh, by the way, there’s actually 3 episodes that are now available that take place in the middle of the order we already gave you”. Nor do they want to say “oops” in regards to the placement of Lightsaber Lost. They would rather come up with some weird reasoning to make it fit the way they want at this point in time. I’m sure if pressed on it, they will say that Tera Sinube was not in Grievous Intrigue; rather it was another member of his species who looks identical to him.

As I said, when a Season 6/Lost Mission Blu-Ray comes out I will make a final version of my list and make one with the official order as well. I just don’t see the official order having any benefits over the slightly modified version I’m using.

 

The only benefit necessary is that it's official, and this supersedes any and all fan theories.

 

Except he explicitly says "You've met Satine". That implies she is still around and alive, "you have" is present tense. If I bring up my grandma who passed in '97 I wouldn't say "you've met my grandma", I'd say you "you met my grandma" or "you've met her before", etc.

Even if she had passed away a day before their conversation, he would still say "You met". Not "You've met".

Personally I'd rather watch in an order that makes sense than be concerned about being "official".

 

The purpose of the fan theories is to ameliorate errors made in the "official" account. Official does not equal perfect.

 

wow Bravo on today's vocab word, sent me to the google dictionary for that one

 

I guess Leland Chee addressed why they're keeping Clovis in season 6: https://mobile.twitter.com/HolocronKeeper/status/443228821861330945

I'm sorry but this is just lazy. Did they think about it for only 30 seconds? Everything from the character models, Ian Abercrombie still voicing Palpatine, and the way Obi-Wan addresses Satine supersedes Obi's "stoic" behavior. That's cool if it's official, but to me it's wrong. I'll be putting Clovis in between Onderon and Younglings.

 

The Clovis arc could go either way imo.

 

And then he goes onto say 'You know that I once harboured feelings for her". Whereas this implies that she is dead because its clear to me even in The Lawless that he still has feelings for her, yet Obi-Wan is now saying he doesn't. It can go either way...

 

No, it really can't. I don't think you understand what "harbored" means. Harbored in this context means he previously was trying to nurture and maintain those feelings.

It doesn't mean he simply he had feelings, and his next statement even says that, "its not that we aren't allowed to have these feelings". They are allowed, they just aren't supposed to be nurturing them.

From this we can concluded that in the past he tried to nurture and grow and his feelings for her, but he has since changed and he lets them just sit as is, because there is nothing wrong with that. And the The Lawless fits that just fine.

And the "You've met" line still suggests she is alive.

 

Not sure how "you've met" implies that somebody is still alive. How would you go about saying it if somebody was dead?

 

Hypothetically, "you met". Still... I go with what Leland Chee says.

 

Hypothetically? There's nothing hypothetical about proper tense usage. You don't use the present tense when talking about someone who has passed away.

 

I don't take every single thing Leland Chee says just like I don't DF or GL.

hlc88 I think the line you bring up is actually the best case that Clovis should come before Satine dies. Up until her death he was denying that he still had feelings for her but then in The Lawless it was obvious he did.

 

Whoa, hold on. "You've met" = "You have met", which last I checked is not present tense. So, still a potentially valid way of speaking about someone who has died.