Full Series The Clone Wars- Episode 108: Bombad Jedi Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed)

Well don't forget that Palps is on both sides, this is prob just another attempt to capture Padme to create a reason for Anikin to need his help. At the end of the episode when the jig is up he sends supplies for the Rodiens.

 

"There are heroes on both sides. Evil is everywhere." -ROTS

If you side with the clones, that that means you side with the freaks who murder all the Jedi without batting an eye, and who turn the great Republic into an oppressive police state. So I don't think you have much moral standing, either.

The tragedy of the Clone Wars as portrayed in the movies - that it was all a giant scam - has been undone by the show. But for people who think about the details (again, in the movies, the show is going to retcon everything in the movies into meaninglessness), the Separatists are every bit as much heroes - and victims - as the Republic folk.

 

I enjoyed this. I thought Padme's character has been redeemed in this show and you can see why she is the mother to Luke and Leia. Threepio, like Artoo, had his moment of heroism. I always enjoy when he convinces the enemy that the enemy went "that way"

Jar Jar had his ups and downs in this episode. And it was interspaced with enough action and not overdone. No stupid fart jokes or "icky goo". Just a little bumbling. I can handle that. And Jar Jar actually proved somewhat heroic. I do like however how Palpatine, 3P0 and Padme regarded him.

 

The food the Viceroy promised also probably didn't show up in time because the Republic was probably blasting the Confederacy's relief ships to nothing.

 

I don't know if Padme should be Lara Croft but I do enjoy her action scenes and how she takes charge. It almost seems as if she is two separate characters though comparing it to her EP 3 role. I guess motherhood and the hormones changed her personality quite a bit.

I didn't find the Jar Jar scenes that funny but the jokes at his expense made me laugh I liked the part where he supposedly died and the relationship with the sea monster was actually neat. That Super battle droid was awesome too unfortunately he got eaten.

 

Good episode.

Padme was the real star of the show. Jar-Jar was just kind of...there. He didn't bother me, but he wasn't taht funny nor he do that much to help...well, directly anyway.

I rather liked the Rodian senator as well.

And the landscape was beautiful. Say whatever else you will about the PT and the Clone Wars, their landscape design was been great.

Must be dangerous to have a killer slug thing right under the city like that.

Finally, that SBD was badass:
"the Jedi is getting away!"
"Not likely."

 

I know! They shouldn't have had Padme be a mother and in love with a man. That's so 1950s!

If ROTS had been as cool as CW, then Padme would've strutted into Palpatine's office and killed him with one kung-fu chop!

 

Or, there was never any food at all. The Viceroy is a liar and known scumbag, so how can his word be trusted?

 

And Chancellor Palpatine can be trusted?

 

I don't think that's a fair characterization of him. It's more that he's got a singular focus right now: the death of Senator Admidala, for whom he blames (partially, rightly so) for his greatest failure in the Invasion of Naboo. I'm sure he would be happy to pay whatever price, including food, supplies, etc., to see her dead. And, so, I'm certain they would have been delivered, had she been killed.

 

Right. Trusting the troops and the Republic leaders didn't really pan out all that well for the Jedi and the citizens.

But it's good that some people are so into the CW show that they can entirely dismiss the PT. Hey, the CW show is going to be over 2,200 minutes by the time it's gone, vs. the movies' petty 780 minutes - basically 3x as much content. So, pretty soon, the PT will be discarded, and all that will matter is the CW show's re-imagining of the Clone Wars as WW2, and people will think that the clones were heroic saviors, the Republic was righteous and noble, and the Separatists were Nazis. Forget about the movies, this is the new reality.

 

Well considering 'The Clone Wars' is, minus this dud, been kicking the Prequel Trilogy in quality, it makes sense that it will eventually be 'discarded'.

 

I always thought the Seperatists lost any moral high ground they had when they aligned themselves with the Trade Federation and Commerce Guilds. You can't decry the corruption in the Republic and then join forces (the commerce guilds) with that very same corruption. Aligning themselves with the Guilds (whose army could protect them) was selling their souls.

 

"Opinions are like...."

What's that expression again?

Perhaps you're right. But in my mind, I'll always think of the Clone Wars as a deliberate and stated analogy for a big, fat, false flag war that they were originally meant to be, as far back as 1975. But, again, everybody's got their own tastes.

 

True, true, true! The republic is at this point for the most part is only corupted in the inner core. Palps certianly (and obviously in hind site) can't be trusted, but at this point being a ways from having anything substantial to temp Anikin with he'd have to play the role of the good guy. He didn't count on 3PO and especially Jar Jar having enough since to find a way to contact the republic but when the plan was foiled there is no way he would have not sent the supplies. Not doing so would put question in the minds of Padme & the Jedi once they got word.

 

We didnt' get that, you realize that? Lucas's ineptitude to write took away the whole big, false, flag war. We got a confusing 'Why did we go to War anyway' war in the PT. Clone Wars, thanks to *better writers* has a war that actually has two sides, we actually see both sides of the enemy. Its not our fault that Lucas could *not* really portray what you're saying.

 

Well...there were some changes (as there always are in any show). I don't know if I'm at liberty to discuss what was different, but I will say that with the exception of the following instance, I have never, ever used, written or otherwise uttered the word: "fiddlesticks".

That having been said, I generally like the episode. Some things that were changed were actually done for the better. I think I can say that at the time I was writing the episode, in my mind I envisioned Rodia as looking more like Jaba's palace, with lots of shadows.

I think the final look was much more original. They also carried out the use of the Rodian language more than I ever expected. I was hoping they would, but feared it might get cut because we were writing this for a young audience.

I'll answer questions in the other thread after Thanksgiving (to the best of my ability).

-K

 

That really doesn't make any sense to me, the Clone Wars episodes don't change anything as drastically as what you are saying. We know that at the head of the separatist movement are mostly "bad guys," people of ill repute, warlords, etc. But that doesn't mean all of the systems that sided with the separatists are awful, horrible people. It means they realized the Republic had its problems and wanted no part of it anymore, and they chose sides. It turns out they were on the wrong side, but no more so than Republic systems that became heavy Imperial systems, who were ultimately on the wrong side as well. There really was no "right side." And what people forget is the Jedi were their own side, it's pretty clear in Revenge of the Sith this is true, but the Jedi are not a police force that is paid by the Republic to serve them or something. They are a quasi-religious order that has always served the Republic out of principle, but above all they serve the Force, it just happens that until the end of ROTS the two parties were allied. So the only real good guys are the Jedi, the only real bad guys are the puppetmasters behind it all, pulling the strings for the Separatists and the Republic.

As for this episode, it was the weakest one yet, as to be expected I suppose. I enjoyed the landscapes a lot, I thought that was the strength of the episode. The animation was very good, I enjoyed some of the action, there were a few funny parts, but having to watch Jar Jar, Padme, and Threepio is like watching your favorite NBA team when they put in their 3rd stringers. They have their moments, but they mostly make you cringe and wish the coach would put in the A squad again.

 

There was a line/reason that explained this, saddly it got cut out after the third draft.

 

Hm, the episode wasn't that bad. Not my favorite episode, but it could've been worse. Though having almost everything Jar jar touch lead to disaster (hitting the ship's controls, wrecking the ship, etc.) got... very annoying after a while. Padme was great though, very great- reminds of how in Episode II, Anakin and Obi-wan are bracing to take on beasts while chained up, while Padme's already picked her lock on her chains. Not to mention her running around with a blaster.

I don't expect Gunray would've expected sent supplies. Sure, he says there'll be there, but no supplies ever showed up, and he just said he'd take the Rodian Senator's request under advisement or something like that. That's the typical Trade Federation and Seperatist pitch- make promises, then break them. Dooku does it a lot over the course of the war. While the Republic isn't really something worth dying for by this point, the Seperatists aren't really a better alternative either.

Of course, the Republic, especially the Senate, isn't that much better by this point. If this were an EU comic, I'd half expect that Palpatine helped delay the bill that might've sent more relief supplies to Rodia, or something like that. I don't blame the Rodian Senator too much, since the Republic was little to no help (though that earlier webcomic doesn't make Padme look that up to date), so the Seperatists were his only other option.

Threepio was great too, with him having to put up with Jar Jar and he was somewhat cleve this episode too. And how he wishes there was an R2 droid around. And I liked how he sorta covered for what was probably Anakin's robe being in Padme's ship closet (why exactly some of Anakin's clothes were left behind, its probably best left unsaid). Its not brought up often, but I think Threepio is still a confidnate of both Padme and Anakin, though of course, Anakin spends far more time with Artoo at the moment.

Jar Jar wasn't as bad as I had feared. Watching him wreck stuff, in both good ways (like knocking those droids off with the magnet thing) and in bad ways (like crushing the ship) was funny at times, and I'm just glad it never reached the levels of idiocy that the Battle of Naboo was (with Jar Jar running and screaming around a battlefield). Its nice to see Jar Jar's honest devotion to rescuing Padme, no matter the odds. And he did manage to make a friend at least. Though, those battle droids have really horrible aim, if they can't even hit Jar Jar, but nothing new about that.

I'm kind of glad that the Rodian Senator didn't get arrested or anything, as he had good intentions and was desperate. And Nute Gunray was fun to watch, as he's always been, especially with his obsession with killing Padme. Heck, Jango originally went after Padme specifically because Gunray wanted her dead. I'm not sure if any of the other Seperatists, meaning Dooku or Palpatine, ever knew about the scheme though. At one point, Gunray was ready to just have her shot, if not for Jar Jar's friend timely intervention. If Amidala dies, Anakin goes crazy, and that's one less thing Palpatine would have to hang over Anakin's head and manipulate him. Even when Palpatine sent Padme into that trap, that was with the intent that Greivous would keep her as a living hostage, with the eventual chance of rescuing her, with the short-term goal of keeping the Malevolence in one piece.

So, not that bad an episode, I've seen worse cartoons and read worse Star Wars novels, so not that bad a way to spend a Friday night. I wish it wasn't the last new episode for two weeks, but pretty good, and I hope this isn't the last episode Mr. Rubio writes.

 

As long as it wasn't like watching the WNBA

 

Not at all, the weakest one yet doesn't imply that it wasn't good! There have been 8 episodes so far I guess, all have been good. I would say that most have been great. Every week, I think, "Wow that was the best one yet!" I really enjoyed this episode as well, as a Star Wars fan. If I wasn't a fan I'm not sure if I would have enjoyed it quite as much, because a lot of what I liked about it was seeing this new world, also the Jar Jar joke was hilarious. "Battle droids?" "No." "Jar Jar?" "Jar Jar." That was probably the hardest I've laughed in any episode yet. Like she just knows it's Jar Jar if it wasn't the battle droids, it couldn't be that there was an explosive planted on it or that some other third party was involved. Has to be Jar Jar.

So Kevin Rubio posting here with us on this thread, wow, how cool is that?! An ultimate Star Wars fan, hehe.

 

Actually it makes the Republic's evolution into the Empire all the more insidious, since the citizens of the Republic foolishly believed that the Empire would carry on the tradition of being righteous and noble. If Palpatine failed to accomplish that task, the Empire would never have had the legitimacy required to survive for more than two decades. Meanwhile the PT never went out of its way to legitimize the CIS; its high-ranking members were all allies of Sith Lords from Day One. Its primary purpose was indeed to make the Republic look righteous and noble and fabricate the case for the Galactic Empire,.

 

Well, just so that you all know (and I swear I'm not making this up just to "brown nose") what some are calling the funniest line/lines -- the Padame 3PO exchange about Jar-Jar? That wasn't me. I went back and looked at my script.

That was all George. He came up with it on the day of recording.