Full Series The Clone Wars- Episode 111: Dooku Captured Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed)

That was a rockin' good episode. The "mother of all Gundarks" was well done, but I thought the Weequay pirates stole the show. They were great.

I like the "force users without their lightsabers" gimmick, but I was hoping for more creative uses of the force. Hopefully we will get that next week.

 

Either that or it's VERY similar to a song from a popular Indian movie. Either way I wonder why they put that in there.

 

That, actually, was my biggest problem with the episode. How did that pirate get Dooku's lightsaber off him? Why didn't Dooku just use the force to call the lightsaber to his hand? Why didn't he let off a massive force lightning or push and cripple all the weequay? Or do a crazy jedi dodge move? How did they manage to get him to a cell and into those energy binders? If this isn't a trick of some kind (I still think it is), whoever wrote this episode should've thought all this through more. Like Anakin, I just don't buy it.

 

EDIT-That's a little too harsh and borders on bashing, even if they don't post here.

 

I was also confused as to how the pirates stole his lightsaber without him noticing. (Perhaps the monkey-lizard is a pick-pocket?) Still, I'm not too worried about Dooku not fighting his way out of it. I have no doubt that, if pressed, Dooku could whip every pirate there.

But keep in mind that two skilled jedi are hot on his trail and his ship is broken. If he has a choice of being captured by drunks or of being captured by Skywalker and Kenobi, he would just go with the pirates and wait for a more convenient time to escape.

 

Not really.

Unless you think Anakin and Obi-Wan shouldn't be able to sense one another.

The other guy had a fair point about them being trapped with the poison gas, mind. Touche.

Okay, sure, I'll just pretend that the Force doesn't exist. Cool. Whatever. Dooku can't generate Force lightning, he can't leap massive distances, he can't move ridiculously quickly and he can't use telekinesis, either. A Jedi and Sith are clearly defined by their weapon. I understand that now. Sorry.

A Sith Lord doesn't have to be capable of Tartakovsky-style feats to beat down thirty slavers.

As it happens, I'm less bothered now because there is a chance that he's just playing along (I hear Anakin was just as incredulous as me)... but if we're supposed to believe that Dooku had no choice but to be captured or killed?

Doesn't work, sorry.

I'd say I'm judging specific aspects of the episode, as opposed to the episode in its entirety (though it does sound bad at present). And it's not like I didn't add the caveat: "assuming they're accurate". I made it very clear that I was posting my reaction to *what I had been told* and not the episode itself.

Though they clearly were accurate, considering the responses here.

As much as I might like to, however, I'm never going to be able to "hate" this show. They referenced Darths and Droids when Jar-Jar summoned bigger fish and for that they get prizes.

 

First off, it's a heck of a lot more than thirty pirates (pirates, not 'slavers'). If you didn't know that, you must not have even seen the episode preview (which shows that scene), so you have little room to talk. Also, not once in the live-action films have I seen a character single-handedly defeat an army of flesh-and-bloods after finding themself surrounded. Frankly, I think you are quite ignorant to think you know so much; no one does that in any of the live-action films. You mind and concept of the power of the Force seem to be trapped in the Tartakovsky vision of Star Wars. Get real. Tyranus isn't gonna start going nuts like Mace on Dantooine or Grievous on Hypori. He's quite surprised he's even been tricked in the first place; he's not used to that. The pirates have the element of surprise over him, in addition to having his lightsaber. Please stop talking like an ignorant jerk and get your mind out of the Tartakovsky shorts. You're responding in a very rude and sarcastic manner, and you really don't have to. But seriously, you haven't seen the episode, and I have; I know the specifics (such as there being pirates and not 'slavers,' and around how many there are), and you don't. When the TCW film came out, there was a fair amount of negative reviews I had read before seeing the film, but not one of those made up my mind for me beforehand on how I would like the movie. See the episode, and then make your judgement. Just because others don't like something doesn't mean you won't. Give it a chance and stop hating.

 

Edit: Geez, Attackinator, calm down! There's no reason to get upset over this, guys.

Nope, I agree with you here. I think you are overreacting just a little(they were just gunning for a little bit of comic relief...it wasn't a major plot point or anything), but I definitely agree that Anakin and Obi-Wan should have sensed each other.

Yeah. If you see the episode, it's clear that they are trapped with little hope of escaping. Compared to TPM, where they know that all they have to do is hold their breath for a minute or so and then the battle droids will come bumbling in.

Have we ever seen force lightning used on multiple people? It looks to me like it would only hit one or two people at a time. If there are dozens of pirates with blasters aimed right at you, I think an escape could be a lot tougher than you are thinking. One move and they shoot at you. Even a jedi can't dodge 30 blaster bolts coming straight towards him with no lightsaber.

Of course, I still think Dooku was caught as a matter of convenience...but if I am wrong, I don't think it's a huge stretch of believability to think that he was legitimately captured.

That is a real bummer! I DVR'd the episode, but I still look forward to catching the 10:30 rerun. It's a good chance for me to catch all of the details that I missed, since the kids are in bed by then.

 

Sorry.

Someone who agrees!

 

Personally I'm just amused by the suggestion that an appreciation of the entire body of Star Wars canon = an obsession with the Clone Wars shorts. They're some of my least favourite EU works, all in all.

I'm also tickled immensely by the massive distinction between pirates and slavers.

Oh yeah, no doubt it was for comic relief - it's just irritating.

I mean, they did it in RotS ("Oh, it's you!"), and it bugged me then too. Le sigh.

Never in the films, granted (but we never see Dooku surrounded in the films). Though we see it plenty in TFU and also Star Wars Empire: Betrayal, in which Palpatine fries about forty stormtroopers at once. (Not only that, but he has such control that he can leave one dude in the middle alive)

And, really, how often do we see a lightsaber used on "multiple people"? Even if lightning could only be used on one person at a time, what makes it that much worse than a lightsaber?

It's not like Dooku needs a saber to deflect blaster bolts, either.

I must be quick to point out that Dooku is a Dark Lord of the Sith of the Banite tradition. Not a Jedi. The main reason Jedi aren't over the top superheroes isn't becuase it's not possible but because such is an abuse of the Force - see Lair of General Greivous.

The Sith don't care about abusing the Force. That's what they're about.

Tis for me and, as I said, I'm pleased that Anakin was similarly incredulous.

Though... snipers, too? Less hard to swallow, I suppose.

 

Not one of my favorites, but not a bad episode.

I cringe at the thought of more Jar Jar next week though. Sigh.

 

If more Jar-Jar means more Darths and Droids references, then bring him on.

 

Haven't seen it, and am avoiding spoilers.

So did this episode have the best graphics yet?
It should. They made it after Rookies.

How was it overall? Good?
Did they abuse my fav character?

 

"It was the best of times, it was the worst of times"

I'm pretty well divided on this episode. It really was 50/50 for me: I hated the inane dialogue between Anakin and Obi-Wan and things got worse when Ashoka showed up.

...On the other hand I like the added depth to Dooku and freaking love those pirates. Seriously, those guys are all WIN. Surprised by how much innuendo they got away with in the pirates' headquarters.

Sadly the next part looks like it might make me dead inside

 

Those drunk pirates are more clever than they look.

 

i think the point behind this episode was to show the good natured friendship/partnership between anakin and obi-wan. ben kenobi talks about this in a new hope but you never really see much of it in the prequels but you see it here which is cool. i enjoyed the good natured ribbing between the two characters. the flying saucer was pretty cool too. that got a chuckle out of me. another well done episode that felt like classic star wars.

 

For me the Flying Saucer was the highlight. I didn't get into this episode like I had hoped. Perhaps part 2 will do it.

Jar Jar saving the day yet again is also going to be a stretch. At least Anakin knows how to stand up to Tyranus Lighting.

 

You may be able to excuse away the Obi-Wan not opening the correct door/Anakin trying to jump him thing with the elevator bit from ROTS. Anakin hops back down through the hole he cut and Obi-Wan is so suprised that he ignites his lightsaber, ready to swing. Shouldn't he have sensed that Anakin was only a few feet above him? That said, I agree with the idea that it was just for comic relief.

Secondly, I will be greatly disappointed if this doesn't turn out to be Dooku playing a trick of some sorts on the Jedi (or the Weequay are part of the Confederacy, perhaps?) because it seems utterly out of character for a Sith Lord to allow himself to be captured by a bunch of nobody space pirates. I'm among the first people to lead the charge against the EU idea that Jedi/Sith are godly characters, but how in blazes were they supposed to steal his lightsaber away from him? Both of those lightsabers, as a matter of fact. That's just... bizarre. I'm fishing for a line that Tyranus just let himself get captured as it's some part of a grander plan.

The Gondark bit was arguably my favorite action sequence and quite humorous. I'm very glad Tyranus didn't face off against Obi-Wan/Anakin in saber combat. The best part of this episode, though, was the banter between Skywalker and Kenobi. Classic.

I don't like that this has to include Jar Jar. One episode with him was enough; we really don't need another this season.

I also found Palpatine's reaction to the pirate's hologram in his office quite fitting. He was so quick to shoot down the possibility that Dooku could've been captured. That, though, makes me think that it might not have been a scheme of the Sith and rather what it looks like: Dooku got captured like a punk by a score of nobody spacers. Le sigh.

I'm hoping, though, that the rat creature was a cameo by Salacious Crumb.

 

I was really expecting Dooku's capture to be a moment of greater gravity than this....but oh well.

Also I'm really not a fan of the lightsaber fighting styles that came out in the wake of Episode II, but if you want to read into it Dooku does happen to be a Form II specialist and would probably be less proficient against blaster-wielding mob.

 

OH MY GOSH! I LOVED THIS EPISODE! It was sad when it was over but the next episode looks like it will also be good. I kind of had hoped that there would be an episode where the Jedi and the Sith would have to quote on quote "Work Together" to get out of a sticky situation, looks like I got my wish. Anyway back on topic, I thought this episode was great, the interactions between Anakin and Obi-Wan was great, Dooku was great and the pirates were major WIN! What more can I say about this episode then it was great! Can't wait for it to be on Itunes so I can buy it!

 

Hmm.

Dave says thirty-forty: http://www.starwars.com/video/view/000739.html

And then talks about how Dooku couldn't have won. So my fears were founded, it seems. Pity.

I suppose he throws the EU fans a bone with: "maybe he's hiding his powers" at the end, but still. Bleh. I agree that Jedi and Sith shouldn't be gods... but a Sith Lord of Tyranus' calibre shouldn't have to worry about plebs, no matter how many there are.

Your average Jedi? Sure.

A Dark Lord of the Sith? No.

Besides, the show has more than enough "uber" and "unbelievable" moments from the Jedi that Dooku's inability to fight the pirates off makes him look lame. It's a real shame, IMO, especially since Dooku already has an unjustified rough time of it in the "impressiveness" stakes.

Poor guy.

Vader would have just choked them.

All of them.

At once.

You know what's REALLY annoying, though? They could have made everyone happy and had Dooku captured by FIVE pirates if they'd just made the monkey-lizard a ysalmir. The EU is there to be mined beyond usually incorrect name dropping.

 

My initial reaction: um, that's it? Not really feelin' this episode. I'm going to hold off of any judgements, though, until I see it again...but I can tell you that I'm not so eager to see it again like the other eps.

Here's the one thing that bugged me this episode and probably took me out of it for the rest of the show: how the frak did those pirates get Dooku's saber??? In the scene just before, Dooku covers his saber with his cape. Not saying that the pirates never saw it because he covered it, but Dooku knew that he should conceal it and be cautious of exposing it. So, in that situation, anyone trying to conceal something is going to be more careful and sensitive of anything or anyone getting near it. So then how could he not have noticed it gone when he got off the ship? And don't tell me, "oh, they're pirates. They're probably good pick-pockets." To me, this smells of bad writing or bad editing. After it happened, I thought that maybe this is some ploy Dooku and the lead pirate guy cooked up, but I'm still at a loss.

Whew, okay, got that off my chest. Oh, one more thing...am I the only one who thinks Obi Wan is a pompous jerk? (actually, the word I'm thinking of starts with a "d" and rhymes with "goosh.") The way he's being portrayed makes him look like one of those annoying "know it alls" rather than a caring and wise teacher. Maybe that's Yoda's role, but I just don't think he's likeable. Even his look, with his beard and hair seemingly "perfect"...if he was a woman, he'd be "prissy." I don't know, maybe you guys can enlighten me...

 

Just saw Filoni's commentary. Having seen the episode again now, he's probably right about them being too much for Dooku to handle all at once. Doesn't explain how the pirate leader managed to get Dooku's lightsabers, or how they got him in that cell.

I still think it's a trick, though. Why'd they show Obi-wan finding pirates on Dooku's ship and two seconds later saying Anakin had to be weaponless in order for the droids to find the capture convincing if they weren't setting up something like that? Given the pirates tried to drug Anakin and Obi-Wan, my best guess is Dooku managed to cut a deal.

Edit: Oh, and Dooku tells Anakin and Obi-wan that the pirates won't let them go, which is similar to when he told Obi-wan the truth about Darth Sidious controlling the senate to throw him off that trail. Doubly ironic given his and Obi-wan's positions are completely reversed, even down to them being in the same energy binders.