Full Series The Clone Wars: Episode 116: The Hidden Enemy Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed)

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Well, as someone sorta pointed out before and as I stated once in a thread elsewhere--They are gentically engineered to be loyal. But why can't the cloning process have flaws? Like every two thousand clones some of the engineering might not get through, or there could be some genetic defect that allows them to be self-serving. Perhaps there could be entire batches gone awry. We really don't know that much about the process. All we do know was told to us by Lama Su, who is basically the spokesperson for the company. She wouldn't mention flaws or defects when showing off her product.

I like the idea that there's a possibility of clones capable of this kind of behavior. I do hope, however, that it is clearly explained in such a way. If every clone could put down the gun and just leave the life, or become a traitor I'd expect to see it more often.

 

We also don't know just how 'rogue' he really is. For all we know, Sidious will order him to go rogue.

 

Assuming that cloning engineering doesn't make mistakes is like assuming that Battle Droids always do their job perfectly. Or that the Emperor's "finest" always win, even against Ewoks. We all know that in George's world, technology has a tendency of failing us, and the human spirit breaks through.

 

AHH! Now thats a very, very good idea!

I would love for that to happen.

 

The writer flat-out said he's not being disloyal, he's retaining his loyalty to his brothers. The way he goes about it goes against the Republic, but from his point of view, he's doing what he thinks is best for the clone army that is his family.

It would be very interesting to see a clone rebellion, reminds me of some of the speculation on the original Clone Wars prior to the Prequels, with clone army against clone army.

 

I foresee a many-paged thread here. This subject is bound to raise a very strong controversy (and if DBrennan gets around the ban in time, then all hell will break loose).

I have nothign against the idea of a clone traitor, as long as we are given a solid explanation of how and why he's able to break his programming. The text posted above doesn't bode well for that, in my opinion. I really hope it's not as simple as one of them getting tired of obeying orders and deciding that he must do something to break this. These are NOT normal loyal soldiers, who naturally can question their position, as someone stated above, their whole purpose in life IS to be loyal, so breaking this should be a monumental task, presented to us with some solid explanation.

And yeah, it does sound like a lead out for good ol' Rex...

 

I don't see the problem. First of all, one of the Kaminoan's selling points was that they were more independent and creative than droids. Of course, he also said they obey any order without question...but he is a salesmen. If a car salesman says that a car works like new, is that canonical fact now?

Besides, I think this has been a major theme of the series, and the wider EU, that clones are humans, not meat droids. They are not programmed, indoctrinated and modified for a more obedient personality type sure, but frankly, when it comes out of millions of clones, one or two rebels is to be expected.

 

I am SO excited for this one. Hopefully this clone-traitor dude has a better argument for switching sides than Argyus did.

 

Clones thinking for themselves and taking a profound interest in the welfare of their brothers fits in perfectly with the Traviss novels, don't you think? It creates a level of consistency that, to me, makes the SWU have more realistic depth.

 

I wonder if this could possibly foreshadow an out for Ahsoka in the end if we hit O66? She gets her own command by the end of the war, her men feel badly about O66, so they notify her of what has happened, tell her to get the hell outta Dodge and never look back, and report her KIA?

 

It does, but the Traviss novels don't fit terribly well with the films for a number of reasons.

 

If by "fits in well", you mean "reading off of the back cover", then I'd agree with you. Actually reading the contents of said novels, it's a bit different from the characterizations in this series. To put it mildly.

 

That's a valid scenario... kinda depends on where Ahsoka is as a character round about Season 5. Would she cut and run? Or would she insist on getting to the center of the plot? I could see Rex and Ahsoka getting too close to Palpatine's plot and getting erased; the cover-up for the benefit of the Jedi might be that Rex went rogue and killed Ahsoka, or something along those lines.

Then again, if you get clones going rogue left and right, why trust 'em at all? It has to be limited and motivated when it does happen... and I guess "they were killed in battle" is all the cover you really need. As long as that's reined in, I think it has the elements of some good drama... although it would have to happen in pretty quick order, or else the big question would be why they don't try to inform the Jedi and the Senate, etc.

And of course plenty of folks will say they won't kill the leads in a kid's show. Who's to say?

 

Where is the online comic?

 

...asking myself the same thing...

 

Yeah, StarWars.com has been a little slow this week. Usually they get the preview article up by Mon. or Tues. and the webcomic Wed. or Thurs. But, guess it'll be like the Dooku Captured one, only a preview.

Also, I REALLY can't wait for this episode! All day I will be counting down the hours till it is on!

 

clip from this episode up at ign

http://uk.tv.ign.com/dor/objects/826173/star-wars-the-clone-wars/videos/clone_hid_enemy_020509.html;jsessionid=cmlulkpjessm

 

Has anyone read her Clone Wars novel? I'm curious if her clone portrayl is closer to her Republic Commando books or closer to the Clone portrayl seen in TCW.

 

Her novels are the Republic Commando books.

 

She wrote book one based on the clone wars movie, then Karen Miller wrote book two (titled Wild Space) and then Traviss is back to writing book three (with Miller writing 4 and 5). If I'm not mistaken...

I'm curious to see if the K.T. TCW books portray the clones differently than she portrays them in her Republic Commando series.

 

,,But, guess it'll be like the Dooku Captured one, only a preview.,,

Yep.

 

Hopefully only if it makes sense story wise to have him in there. With only 22 minutes who knows.

 

The webcomic is now up for this episode!

http://starwars.com/clonewars/comic/