Full Series The Clone Wars: Episode 202: Cargo of Doom Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed)

You imply that they haven't watched and studied the brilliant work of Hayao Miyazaki. I'm certain they have, as well as the work of Mamoru Oshii, Katsuhiro Otomo, Satoshi Kon, etc. It's just a little presumptuous to assume they haven't studied all of that fine work of the past. By the same token, they're not going to simply copy it either.

I imagine a big reason for the design choice is character diversity. As a character designer, there is nothing more mundane than a cast of characters that all dress the same. It's fun to have variety. A show such as the Clone Wars is more about visual artistry than scientific functionality. I just think it's a little silly to continue arguing over a design aesthetic that doesn't happen to agree with yours.

 

What's that line about arguing on the internet?

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OK, well.. I didn't mean to make some heated argument over something like clothes/armor, I've made my point again and again about Ahsoka not dressing suitably in a war. I could address more, in more detail, but I think GARTH_MAUL is hinting to stop (I think that's what that means up there), so that's enough for now. I think we all just have our opinions, so agree to disagree, and all that..

And thanks, Valairy-Scot. Nice to know someone agreed.

 

Yeah, everyone has different opinions. I think it might just be because the creators wanted to vary the clothes? I dunno.

This is completely random, but who's (I'm assuming he's a bounty hunter) the person on Cad Bane's right on the banner at the top of the page? Not Bossak, but the other one. I don't know if anyone knows, but he looks cool

I've always loved bounty hunters :] And Grievous.

 

Stellar pics GARTH.

 

I don't want to rekindle the entire clothing debate, but... I'd just like to add that I think that Ahsoka's clothing, 'revealing' as it may look, is not something they did for 'shallow reasons'.

I can see how that may be the case with Aayla Secura, but Ahsoka? C'mon. What's there to look at? There's nothing sexy about her at all, and I'm sure that's not the reason they designed her that way.

I agree that it doesn't make sense that she's not wearing armour, and the masters are, but I think they just wanted to give her an own style, or 'flavour' if you like. Some of you people really make too much out of this.

 

I agree that the costume design has always been an awkward choice. But the "inappropriate for wartime" argument really doesn't fly unless you equally attack General Aayla "Blue-bies" Secura.

 

The droid humor is supposed to be dark. I'd like to see an episode where a droid wants to defect to the Republic to expand on how the droids have developed their own personalities.

 

I was being a little cheeky by suggesting that perhaps we should move the clothing debate to another thread (the general Ahsoka thread, or if someone wants to start a new thread, maybe that's a better idea), but the cheeky part was that I posted Ventress and Luminara.


Ventress falls somewhere inbetween, in that she wears a kind of tube-top thingie, with some weird skirt/MC Hammer pants. Luminara obviously has more traditional "robes", other than the crazy hat.


Looking at the bounty hunters, Cato had a utility suit that worked for the holograph, I suppose, whilst Aurra Sing sports more of the halter top look.

 

You know, this kind of logic in a review always baffles me.

It's also scientifically inaccurate, not that such standards should apply to Star Wars. Exposure to vacuum is not instant death. Assuming you emptied your lungs, you still have a few moments as your surface blood vessels break, your ear drums rupture, your mucuous membranes and eyes desiccate, and then your blood eventually sublimates leaving you a freeze dried husk. It's unpleasant, but it's not instant. Well, it's unpleasant *because* it's not instant.

But don't take my word for it.... [reading rainbow music].

ph

 

So... Ahsoka's outfit. From the writer's point of view.

#1. A New War. Surprise, there's not a big selection of armor available for a 14 year old girl. Clone Armor can be modified slightly can be used for a humanoid male Jedi knight. Maybe this is why Aayla and Luminara don't wear armor.

#2. Skillz. Putting armor on Ahsoka would only diminish her key strength: Agility. She's a grasshopper, jumping and flipping around dodging and attacking with SPEED. She doesn't have Anakin and Obi-Wan's skills yet, so she needs to be able to get out of the way quick. If she had Luminara's big flowing robes, she'd get caught by Grievous and bodyslammed. She's definitely more Aayla inspired.

#3. Attitude. Ahsoka is a girl who wears her heart on her sleeve. She puts it out there and doesn't care who sees it. She's up front and extroverted and fiery -- and her physicality should reflect that. Also, Dave and I created Ahsoka to be a figure that contrasted the armored clones (and Jedi) and the monstrous alloy robots. She's just a teenage girl, fresh from the protective nurturing Jedi Temple who's been thrust out into the wild galaxy and exposed and vulnerable to the terrors of war. The stories communicate this and so should her look. Was it about making her hot? Sorry, pervs. Or to attract little girls? Honestly, that idea never occured to me.

Henry

 

RE FORCE.NET REVIEW: The vacuum of space should have killed Ahsoka.

I have to admit, that was the dumbest criticism I have ever read of any of my stories. Ever. (except for some executive notes back at Disney).

Besides the fact that this is a fantasy show with space wizard and laserswords, the reviewer has watched too many movies... and not read enough science. Normally, I would let this go, but I'm in a mood tonight, so I'll explain...

NASA estimates that a person could concievably survive a minute ot two in the vacuum of space before being killed. And you don't explode or boil blood, it would be the lack of oxygen that killed you. To be honest, George asked me the same question and I gave him the information found here:

http://imagine.gsfc.nasa.gov/docs/ask_astro/answers/970603.html

All good, right? Not quite. This rule doesn't even apply to Ahsoka in this situation. Here's why... the small room that Ahsoka is in has been exposed to the vacuum of space, but there is still an atmosphere inside pulling on her. She is breathing that atmosphere as it rushes past her. If there was no atmosphere, she would not be pulled toward the door -- because the chamber would have 'equalized' with the exterior vacuum of space. So where did the atmosphere in the room come from? The room's life support vents \ AC. Make sense?

 

Plowned!

 

While I don't agree on some reasonings behind Ahsoka's clothing I must applaud your ability to defend your work good sir! If every writer did that I'm sure we nerds would be much less aggressive.

 

Ah but we knuckle draggers would be so stunned by the majesty of such intellect that we wouldn't be able to commit as much violence as usual. I'm struggling to type this as it is, I'm laughing at what a brilliant response we got from a science fantasy cartoon writer and we get scientific evidence to boot.

 

Nicely done.

Looks like the vacuum of space debate is done!

Yeah, right. Who am I kidding?

 

As if they had never seen RotS...

Glad to read that.

 

RoS handles the vacuum of space perfectly.

 

Kudos to you, Henry, for stepping up to the plate and taking a swing at some of those silly criticisms.

Your points about Ahsoka's outfit make a whole lotta sense. I think this is one of those cases of "only what you take with you". If you find a 14-year old girl in short clothes to be a sexualized object, then don't blame it on the show creators, go schedule an appointment with an analist or something. I live in Brazil, and kids wear tops and skirts all the time, there's absolutely nothing wrong with that.

And as for the whole vacuum thing, there's a rule of thumb to that: If your hear a whoosing noise, that's wind, it's actually made of air, air is kinda the enemy of vacuum, so there can be only one, either air or vacuum.

 

Excellent point Sarth.

A lot of people are going to schedule an appointment after they read that.

'Only what you take with you'. How true.

 

Thank you very much!! I have been reading a lot of people's complaints about Ahsoka's outfit and seriously I was starting to feel like I was the only girl back in the early eighties who used to wear tube and halter tops when I was like ..oh I dont know ..eleven or twelve! I'd like to think my mom (Who was pretty old fashioned, mind you) wasn't dressing me like a slut! All the other girls back then were wearing them too and no one made any type of big deal about it. Maybe perv's were looking, but thats a different story. I realize I wasn't a jedi,and a lot of people think they should only wear robes, but I see nothing wrong with the way she looks. Dont flame me! It's just my opinion!

 

Seeing Henry Gilroy posting here again brings warm feelings to my heart. (Congrats on the successful first season and successful second-season premiere. I remember how brutal the fans and critics were to the Clone Wars theatrical movie, so it is particularly awesome to see how successful the TV series has been.)

Anyway, I wish NASA would do something useful with their trillions of dollars and send death row inmates into the vacuum of space, just so we can finally see what actually happens so that scifi writers will know for sure.