Full Series The Clone Wars: Episode 206: Weapons Factory Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed)

But why does it matter if they make her look like a fool? Maybe she is a fool with a voice like Jar Jar Binks? Maybe she's the Jar Jar Binks of the Jedi Order for that matter.

We have no reason to believe she is much of anything based on her appearances in the films.

I'm just saying, if she was any of the above it wouldn't matter because it doesn't contradict the films right?

 

It matters because she has been brought in to create a counterpoint to Ahsoka'a brash and slightly disrespectful approach. If she's incompetent then she doesn't provide a different, valid point of view. She has to be competent so she can give a second way of being a padawan that is equally valid with the Ahsoka way.

Hopefully this episode will have give and take between them.

 

As you state it, of course it doesn't matter to me and many others if her status is or is not against established canon.

Some of us, however, are concerned she will be played a fool or misguided padawan who is shown the error of her rule-abiding ways by that paragon of Jedi virtue, Ahsoka. [/tongue in cheek]

BTW I don't hate Ahsoha, but I do strongly dislike SOME aspects of her character as presented.

 

Yeah but, everyone should just be happy to see her in action in this context, it doesn't matter how she's presented because she's a blank slate(episode description excluded of course).

Of course I'm playing devils advocate here, but thats really what I'm presented with in these threads a lot.

Apparently nobody is suppost to care about prior characterization/history. Infact those like myself who do get constantly chastised for it.

Yet some of those doing the chastising seem to have a pre-fabricated idea of who she is and how she should act based on what? Her igniting a lightsaber in Ep 2 and standing in Palpatine's office in Episode 3?

It all adds up to a tremendous double standard in my eyes.

 

True we don't know what she's like in the New Lucas Universe (as he rolls his retcon trucks across the land). But we do know that she's a Jedi, so at least moderately competent, and that she's been put in as a counterpoint to Ahsoka. So we can draw our assumptions from there.

 

My point is not whether we should care about past characterization.

My point is that the moment when she was knighted is trivial compared to the fact that her character, which has been intriguing to fans for a long time, is finally being featured in visual media.

 

Your point is completely valid. I wouldn't want to miss out on interesting, or favorite characters
because of minor continuity flaws; but how far out of context should a writer or producer go to
accomplish this? If Ahsoka Tano left the series, and then was reintroduced as a Dark Princess of the
Sith, I think some serious head scratching would be in order. If Admiral Motti showed up as a shoe salesman
("The Mark IV-K is the ultimate flip-flop in the galaxy!") I would be somewhat confused, too.

Either way, I'm glad to see Barriss Offee arrive.

 

I'm glad just to see another Padawan in the show. And it doesn't hurt that she's meant to be Ahsoka's foil . I hope to see more Padawan characters in future episodes, ones more around Ahsoka's age, and younglings too.

 

From the OS article:



"The one thing I really think is great about The Clone Wars is how it has a message in it of courage and loyalty and honesty and hard work," says Meredith Salenger, who provides the voice of Barriss. "Barriss is very bright, honest, professional and brave. She would much rather sacrifice herself for the protection of others and the completion of her mission. Just learning those things -- the tenets of the Jedi way -- is important for kids. The Jedi have good values."

This excerpt has made me more hopeful for the episode. This is exactly what I wanted them to show with Barriss.

 

That sounds promising.

 

"The jedi have good values"......lol

 

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The casting of Meredith Salenger to do the voice work for Barriss Offee is a
real piece of inspiration. Salenger played Natty Gann in the 1985 Walt Disney
classic THE JOURNEY OF NATTY GANN, about a Depression-era girl running
away from home to find her father. Gann is dedicated, smart, tough, and strong,
yet she's still sensitive to what's happening around her and the people she meets.
I hope Salenger can bring some of those qualities to Barriss.

Good choice for a new character and talent. Ahsoka could use some friends (or even
enemies, for that matter) closer to her own age to relate to.

 

Well, I think it's a split between the fans who've read Barriss in her story appearances who have an idea on what she's like, and the other fans who simply want to avoid Ahsoka getting the upper hand at her expense.

I do agree that sometimes, you've just got to roll with it, but I'll try and elaborate on the love for silent Jedi. As a Plo fan, I can symphathise with any other fans of 'less-than-supporting' characters. XD

Past characterisation for background Jedi, be it in books, comics or simply their database entries, often proves popular because they tend to be serious about it, e.g., making it as intimate, detailed and awesome as possible. Kit Fisto only got like TWO serious EU appearances (with nice but uninformative ones in the Dark Horse comics where he plays 'carefree dude' and 'sexual tension guy'), yet those two appearances were enough to spawn fans and a website dedicated to his appearances there...heck, I've been to that website and even I'm convinced he's pretty win, even before Lair of Grievous.
The Stark Hyperspace Wars are also pretty much the defining pre-Clone Wars material for Plo Koon, though I haven't seen his other appearances in that era yet. XD

Basically, you like the design of the character and search for what you can about him/her, and/or you naturally go through every supporting character in the official database to get what scraps you can, all so that this Character Holy Grail you're building a shrine to doesn't seem so abstract and doesn't HAVE to be abstract until a show like this comes along.

 

Are you referring to the Tartakovsky cartoon and The Cestus Deception?

 

Well, I'd classify that with his Dark Horse appearances, as it really just shows him smiling and owning an army. But yes, I forgot that one.

His most substantial appearance in literature is The Cestus Deception where he shares a starring role with Obi-Wan. His other one is in Labyrinth of Evil, but only in the sense that he's with Mace when they're running around. I'm not sure if it's substantial, but he's described as using moves that would 'make a Twi'lek dancer envious' to swiftly destroy two Magnaguards....yeah, in retrospect, that could be taken as another action-appearance unless he does more than that.

 

Yeah, the pre-ROTS EU really built him up into an incredible swordsman.

ROTS: not so much.

 

Argh. Don't remind me. Crap like that in ROTS nearly killed SW for me. I'm so glad Clone Wars has managed to respark my interest in what I had considered a dead franchise (to me).

I'm really looking forward to tomorrow nights episode.

 

I to lost faith in Star Wars after ROTS, but not because of that duel. I always assumed that when he killed the first two masters we were basically seeing it in slow motion, and the point wasn?t that the three dead masters weren?t expert swordsmen, but that Palpatine was the freaking DARK LORD OF THE SITH.

 

I watch all of the duels in ROTS with the memory of the novelisation fresh in my head - the fights scenes there are everything I want from Star Wars duels - especially Anakin and Obi-Wan vs Tyrannus.

 

Uh, come again? That's the whole point of the prequels.

 

Yeah, the novelization really made everything sound a lot more epic. Too bad there wasn't really any way for the movie to match up to the novel's insanely good fight scenes.

Anyway, I'm looking forward to the continuation of the Geonosis arc, although having Bariss as a Padawan seems like a minor continuity problem, but then again, something like Ryloth's sudden new climate change (which I'm still not too happy about), moving a few events around shouldn't be too hard. Just hope Ahsoka doesn't show her up too much, although the preview doesn't give me much hope on that aspect already. Although didn't care much for Cloak of Darkness either (yes, I know almost everyone else loves it, but meh, I hate Ventress, not to mention how Luminara needed Ahsoka to bail her out against Ventress). Oh well, here's hoping they continue the nice trend from last week.

 

I figured that out when I first watched TPM in 1999.
Also, Palps is not the only Dark Lord of the Sith. Under the Rule of Two, his Sith apprentice has the title as well.

 

Ugh, Gry? I think you misunderstood what I said completely. I was talking about why the emperor killed the three masters so easily, not about my problems with ROTS.

 

Oh, all right. Sorry for that. Yeah, the death of those 3 masters was a real waste of film.