Full Series The Clone Wars: Episode 315: Overlords Discussion Thread

I have a theory...

The episode previews continually put emphasis on Anakin's choices, and the Son and daughter may be both trying to influence the future choices he makes.

The importance of Anakin's destiny as the chosen one comes down to the choices he makes in his life, choices that 'do' determine the fate of the Galaxy itself. The Jedi prophesy says he'll restore balance by destroying the Sith, but that could be only one potential outcome, and perhaps the Sith even have an equivalent prophesy. He may in fact also have the potential to 'expand' the dark side and envelop the galaxy in darkness permanently, something his fall nearly does. The fate of the galaxy rests on his shoulders either way. If he had've let the Emperor kill Luke, the light side may've never been restored. But his choice to save the galaxy did eventually happen, even if delayed. When you view his life as a whole, that is the significance of it.

That potential, to permanently envelop the galaxy in light or darkness, may be the true meaning of his destiny as the chosen one.

 

these beings apparently are not normal creatures like humans, weequays or rancors etc. in humanoidform they look very much like humans- so these guys are not necessarily humanoids- they are some kind of changelings but unlike Clawdites these beings are not just biologically changing but throught the Force... i am not sure if they even have "a true form".....

 

Yeah, as I said, it seems that both the Son and Daughter are battling for Anakin?s destiny. Kind of like the way we illustrate our conscience with the Devil on one shoulder and an Angel on the other. The prophecy itself it seems is vague even to the Jedi; all they know is that he will ?bring balance to the force?. Yoda, in Revenge of the Sith says, ?The prophecy misread could have been?. This seems to be that either they don?t think it is Anakin or they have interpreted the prophecy wrong.

I think that the Son and Daughter will both test him and he will be warned of his possible futures (as Yoda says ?many possible futures there are). I think Ahsoka will also be used as a test to drawn Anakin to the dark side and test his susceptibilities. Either way I think we will finally discover what the prophecy means? perhaps it is Anakin?s destiny to fall to the dark side and destroy the Sith from within?

 

I think it's kinda clear that siblings represent Anakin's choices, bad and good choice, dark and light etc.

But this Balance of the Force is still very interesting concept and i think it was damn hard to write well in these eps ...

One could easily think that balance means balance between dark and light side in universe- some even speculated Ani brough balance in ROTS when there were 2 jedi and 2 sith alive- but that was apparently NOT the case- from EU we know many other jedi survived and even though there may have been more jedi than sith- dark side was still superior and 'dark times' begun...

Lucas have said many times himself that balance is gained when sith are gone- sith are like a cancer in the force and they must be destroyed- and that balance is gained in ROTJ when Ani kills both sith- emperor and vader(technically himself)... still EU contradicts that quite clearly- sith returned even emperor himself returned - is EU just wrong then?... maybe

Answer is probably in the very nature of the Force itself and nature of these two sides- they aren't similar equal halves of the same thing.... here is some random philosophy i came up with just say if you disagree with my 'wisdom'

light side is apparently pure power of life- it supports life and gives strenght- and works as path to salvation and peace

dark side is some kind of twisted shadow of it- it corrupts and destroys life- gives great power but with terrible cost and works as path to destruction and chaos- even though it fools you and looks like a path to salvation and peace

Or something like that

like the Force itself all souls should have this dualism- there is always 2 sides there....

apparently only light side is safe to use though- it's the unlimited power without any cost- but it's power is harder to gain- using light side doesn't destroy even the dark side within you -just neutralises it to be powerless and therefore provides balance

dark side however threatens the balance- way it gains power is destruction of the light side within you -it brings same powers faster and easier- and looks like it would be stronger- but it gains "unlimited power" in a way that corrupts you and you cannot achieve the ultimate power without being destroyed

So you can use the light side but dark side uses you....

wow this is tricky after all .....

 

Dunno, I think I'd like to see the immaculous conception thing explained. It always felt like a weird throwaway line for me. Something amazingly important that was never given much attention.

 

There is speculation in the EU where Darth Plaguis created Anakin but it is never explicitly stated, at least not that I'm aware of.

I would kind of like Anakin's origins to remain a mystery. It leaves the explanation to the imagination.

 

I?m going to be writing about this in a future Star Wars Mirrors, however a parallel can be drawn between the dark side and the forbidden fruit of the Garden of Eden. The force is essentially the garden itself, and the forbidden fruit is the dark side which is, like you said, a cancer within a seemingly idealistic environment. The fruit itself is tempting and there is always someone or something to tempt us, promising that ?it won?t matter? if we give into our temptation and that it will provide a solution to our problems. It calls on our inadequacies as humans and the inadequacy of our wisdom and intelligence. The Jedi attempt to remove themselves from this temptation by removing themselves as much as possible from humanistic tendances. Anakin however, as a Greek Tragic Hero, is not a pure Jedi and is thus susceptible to the temptation of the ?forbidden fruit?. This temptation offers a quick and temporary solution (as Yoda says, ?The quick and easy path?), however in our short-sightedness we can?t see the consequences which we will have to live with for giving into this temptation... not only will we personally suffer, however it also causes others to suffer. Such is the story of Adam and Eve, and such is the story of Anakin Skywalker...

*Deep Breath* Well that was a senseless plug for the editorials I?m writing...

 

Plagueis however probably has something to do with this season but Qui-Gon says that these 3 believes Anakin to be the the Chosen One- if they don't know it- they shouldn't be behind it ....

Damn i hope Shmi's origins won't be explored too much- since she was supposedly captured by pirates and sold to slavery... i don't want to see any more weequaypirates reused in this show

would be fun though if they created Anakin but still don't know him- at some point he was lost and now found again.... perhaps Tatooine really is too far away from the bright center of the universe ....

yep as biblical parallel "forbidden fruit" works for the dark side
We will actually see something like Eden in the ep- very lush beautiful place- probably daughter's home....

.... but what if Anakin is the Force in humanform and balancing him means balance of the Force that would allow EU to go on and have emperor's clones and sith and stuff afterwards - force just would be back in the balance (but why it was out of the balance before Anakin then?).... well i don't think that works very well..... postRotj EU (with sith) will remain as dark side of the EU

 

I do wonder how far they'll go with the mindblowing potential of this arc. I'm very excited/nervous to see what news it will bring about Anakin's origins - his divine, mystical side was never directly dealt with before.

 

I'm worried too but not about Anakin i'm worried about this fictional universe

 

I only hope we don't get ANY more information on this arc until we actually see it. We're having great fun speculating on all this weirdness and watching the episode should be quite surprising. I'd hate for them to ruin that...

 

At the end i think we won't 'learn' anything big- dark side is bad, light side is good, Anakin is The Chosen One and Force is energyfield created by the life

this arc however has all potential needed to destroy the franchise and demystify- not only the entire Force- but entire SW-universe, life, death, everything Let's hope that won't happen though

I'm just honest when i say that- you know that too.... i just say it now......

 

I think it's weird and ironic how Anakin, the central character of the Saga, is an incredibly mystical character and yet this side of him has never been explored, just put aside like some random background information. The guy was immaculately conceived - which puts him in the ranks of Jesus, Horus, Mithra, Krishna, other Hindu avatars and a bunch of other major deities; not to mention the ancient prophecy weighing on his head for thousands of years before his birth. What is he exactly? Better, what is the Force? To give an - even partial - answer to these questions is very brave on their part. I just don't know if I want to know LOL I'm worried, but I trust Lucas and the team.


ETA: I'll be very... angry... if they make Mortis some regular, easily found planet. It's bad enough that they made Iego-home-of-the-Angels some regular rundown spice smuggling port somewhere on the Outer Rim... please let Mortis be somewhere very secluded. And otherwise inaccessible. Another dimension would be good, just saying.

 

- we will probably see another article
- and another preview clip (since qui-gon's doesn't count for the normal press release)
But hey, if you don't want to see it, don't watch them.

 

Oh, I'm not watching the previews. But the content of previews and articles are bound to enter our conversations here, and it's this pre-episode speculations that I love so much. Just consider all the wonderful, whacky ideas people are putting forth here. None of that would have been posted if they'd already explained the nature of Mortis in some press release or preview clip.

 

Yeah, I'm with you there, Gry.

The speculation hasn't been this fun and interesting in a long time.

Also because this is a first for the series to really dive into significant territory, meaningful stuff that is central to everything that makes Star Wars so unique.

Please don't throw us the big bones.

It's a miracle I managed to remain unspoiled for the 'Maul may be alive' thing. All I did was avoid the heavy spoilers thread. But it took some heavy moderation at times to ensure things weren't leaking out to other threads.

This time around, we may not be so lucky. I'm really afraid they're going to give us some 'revelation' clip that will make everyone go 'WTF'... the talk about it would be all over the boards and probably unavoidable...

 

Once the discussion reaches a certain tone and page count, I abstain as much as possible until I have actually seen the episode and distract myself with other topics. In short, I become a hermit hiding up in a cave hurling empty bottles of liquor at passing tourists.

It's not for everyone.

 

I'm very glad to hear that! It was quite a moderating feat to keep that restrained to the HEAVY SPOILERS screening thread for over a month, and I'm glad our efforts weren't for naught.


Wow, this thread is on its 4th page, and it's still an unprecedented 5 days until the episode airs. This should potentially become the longest episode thread yet.

 

Yeah Mystery of thousand moons was terrible.... if this is same there is danger that this takes the whole franchise down with it- at least believability of this series.....


Well i think they know what to do when dealing with this big stuff- Mortis is probably most mystic place ever- it's not the place where everyone can just go...... so perhaps this is greatest SW-stuff made since saga itself...... and TFU- i don't understand people who dislike TFU ... since Starkiller is voice of Son- could this have some cool connection - well i expect too much.... i dunno should i expect the best or fear the worst... so...... i do both at the same time .....

 

yeah, I could tell you guys were being busy. Lots of mod warnings and blacked out text. Kudos!

It certainly has that potential... I know it's practically inconceivable, but just imagine how hilarious it would be if the big revelation would unanimously be received as 'okay... that makes sense.' I know it would take hell to freeze over for that, though.

Although they'll probably reserve the big guns for the last episode.

 

The (idiotic) EU where Palps keeps coming back originally just undercut Vader's redemption when all we had was the OT.

When Lucas introduced the prophecy in TPM it sparked a lot of crazy discussion as to what balance means and if it was Anakin or Luke that was the Chosen One.

My only problem is that Anakin's transformation in ROTS might suffer the more they test him in TCW.

Anyway, I always wondered who/what was sending Anakin his visions; I wonder if it's the Holy Trinity.

Also, I believe Anakin says in TPM something like "I've been a slave for most of my life" which allows for him to be brought to Tatooine from elsewhere. Just to keep the craziness going

 

I have high hopes for this. Anakin finally back in the forefront, the return of my favorite Jedi knight, more force = SW magic stuff.

 

Anakin is Shmi's biological child (She says she carried her and give him a birth) and she says she has no idea how he was conceived- so Anakin cannot be brought from Mortis or anything.... that cuts wings from wildest theories but this Trinity may have been behind his creation- however they managed to do it without Shmi noticing anything strange....

Anyway Qui-Gon (or whatever who speaks with Liam's voice) says that they don't know if Anakin is the Chosen One or not- they just believe he is..... maybe they foresaw that child is born who will bring the balance, or conceived him with some crazy forcemagic, but then question is why they chose Shmi then?....well perhaps she was just suitable for some reason..... but then they should have no doubts about Anakin's identity if they created him personally .... so i think this trio is not that powerful -just damn powerful -but they're not gods or anything... maybe demigods....

i still say they are Whills- and just very powerful force users who are expecting the Chosen One....

 

You're assuming Shmi is telling the truth