Full Series The Clone Wars: Episode 318: The Citadel Discussion Thread

Gah, forgot to mention that. I LOVED that reference, especially since ANH is my favorite Star Wars film. Maybe that's why I like the ep so much- it's got Tarkin, it's got those laser traps, and it feels like the attempt to rescue Princess Leia from the Death Star.

 

1. You can say the same for Obi-Wan and Anakin, they could have chosen someone else.

2. It isn't bad placement since they have already said that Ahsoka was becoming more like Anakin in season 3. Also you are making it sound as if Ahsoka is 25 years old, she is 14 and she is still a kid, so it is quite logical that she would be impressible , especially with someone as charismatic as Anakin as her master. On top of that, Ahsoka is acting very much the way Yoda describe the younger generation in AOTC, so I don't see how this would be out of place. IMO, the whole ordeal made sense and helped highlight Anakin's flaws a a teacher and his attachment issues, it also IMO helped Ahsoka in a way that she is more willing to question her master.

 

You never seen me say the Obi-Wan, Anakin, and Ahsoka show before?

She was 14, but she's apparently older now with that new character model. 15-16, perhaps. Like I said before, she doesn't act like herself or be a new character (meaning something that defines her), but rather acts like a mini Anakin. She could learn habits from Anakin, but not be completely like him. My points/examples I mentioned before expand on this.

 

1. Well, I most likely didn't see that.

2. True, but that isn't that big of a leap age wise. Realistically, she shouldn't be all that different at age 15 and 16 then she would be at age 14. People in generally don't mature that fast, in fact most of us don't really grow up till were about 30 if ever.....

 

I felt a big ROTJ vibe when the freighter piloted by the battle droids with R2 had to receive clearance and get scanned and land on the planet ala Han and co. getting cleared to land on Endor.

 

She could show respect, though. Her age could show that, plus it could show maturity with her relationship with Anakin. She shouldn't be questioning why Anakin doesn't trust her or doesn't want her with him during a mission, ect, at this point in time, if you see what I'm saying. If this was a month or so after she became Anakin's Padawan, then that would be a different story; that would make more sense because she might not know Anakin that well yet.

 

Maybe I'm just weird, but I took Ahsoka's worrying about Anakin's overprotectiveness in this episode to be because she knows him better now. Well enough to see that he's got some major-league attachment problems.

Which is also how I immediately took the whole Plo Koon subverting Anakin's authority bit. Sure, you don't see him say it on-screen, but the last you see of Master Plo is him staring right back at Ahsoka, with a significant silence in the air as he considers her words. I found that entire interplay to be one of the strong points of the episode- another in a long series of events that show the Jedi Council is willing to subvert or downplay Anakin's authority when they see fit, helping explain the wellspring of mistrust and dissatisfaction with the Jedi Order you see in ROTS.

But again, I'm somewhat insane, or so I've been told. Maybe it is just me, seeing brilliance where apparently there is none.

 

I don't really think it's realistic to expect someone to mature that much that quickly, unless it's because her species matures faster than humans or something. I'm pretty sure I get your point GG, but I think it's a little too early in the series to be expecting that much change. After all, the minimum is supposed to be a hundred episodes and we're barely half through that, there could wind up being well over a hundred episodes. To me it seems way too early for her to be that drastically different from how she's been thus far, especially since I believe a few pages back you admitted she has already matured somewhat in other ways. If and when she does mature that much in this series it will drastically alter the relationship between the three main characters, so I think the pace they are at is just fine.

 

Too early? Tarkus, this is why they shouldn't have showed those new character models yet.

Season four would have been better.

 

Something I've noticed while rewatching the episode, Fives absolutely dreaded the idea of the carbon freezing.

His "wall decoration" line, his worried look when going down to be frozen(seen behind Cody) and than after they're unfrozen he falls to the ground kind of like "Thank God that is over, never doing that." While everyone else is coughing and stretching he's practically kissing the ground.

Brought a little chuckle to me.

 

I did not. Completely understand. the speech pattern! Of the. Prison Warden!
But otherwise he made sense in his role.

Were the reprogrammed battle-droids just in this episode, or were they mentioned before? They seemed really out of left field, though i liked them, mostly just because i like battle droids. But i felt like they could have had a better and less completely random intro.

Tarkin was interesting, the little we saw. He had an air of superiority which fit. I'm happy the way the episodes are going means we'll be seeing a lot more of the guy.

 

It was good fun.

Ahsoka is annoying as always.

Ahsoka: You're just being protective again....He's your master, that's his job, to keep you alive until knighthood.

Ahsoka: That's not fair.......Tough. I liked Anakin's response of Do or Die. It's rare for him to display common sense.

Ahsoka: He's picking and choosing which assignments I can be a part of........Um, he's your master, that's what masters do. It's their job. What doesn't she understand about this? Why is she making drama out of this?

Ahsoka: It's not for him to decide where and how I put my life in danger......Um, YES IT IS. He's your master. This is basic Master-Padawan stuff. Or does she think Padawans get to run around and do whatever the hell they want?

Ahsoka: That should be my choice......No, it shouldn't. You're a Padawan. You're like 16. This is basic Jedi stuff.




She was ordered not to go, then disobeys and lies about it. I hope she gets smacked down hard. She won't though, they probably won't even mention it. Then they reward her insubordination by making her the hero and getting them inside. Way to go. My thirst for her death has returned.

I've always liked the commando droids, nice to see them again. I liked that they killed the two clones wearing the red Star Trek uniforms.

I don't usually comment on voice acting, but Tarkin's stood out as particularly poor.

Anakin commenting on "gratitude" was hilarious. What a hypocrite, he has to be the most ungrateful Jedi to ever live. Ahsoka would probably be runner up.

A spider crawled on my keyboard in the middle of typing this comment.

 

"I don't usually comment on voice acting, but Tarkin's stood out as particularly poor."

I disagree, I thought he sounded exactly like Tarkin in ANH. I was really impressed.


It was nice to get an official explanation for why we have several episodes of Anakin going on a mission without Ashoka. She and probably most active Jedi padawans would probably be dead by now if their masters didn?t do that.

 

I believe Anakin has already mentioned it in past episodes. Even if he hasn't, it's common sense.

 

I don?t think it?s been mentioned, but it?s nice to have it said, even if it makes perfect sense. My assumption was that a padawan probably had to study a lot at the temple, or something like that.

 

Just discovered the next episode won't air for two weeks.

After suffering the Mortis arc I have to wait an extra week for something I actually like. (Sphere of Influence will be on next Friday)

Fortunately, patience is one of the few virtues I possess.

 

My thoughts, sorry if I repeat any previously made points:

- Against my better judgement, I gave a little chuckle at the 'Hey Snips...WAITAMINUTE!' moment as they came out of carbon freezing.
- Speaking of which, Plo Koon subverting Anakin's authority as a Master was a little...peculiar, I thought. The best I can hope for is that he didn't outright undermine him and Ahsoka chose to 'interpret' that a certain way.
- Nice not-too-in-your-face nod to ROTJ as the shuttle passed through the Separatist fleet.
- The breakout itself was good old-fashioned corridor-running Star Wars fun.
- "Say goodbye to your one good eye."; How touching that torture droids can personalise the torment for their Jedi prisoners.
- Master Piell combining stubborn defiance of his captors with the intelligence and foresight to pre-empt them in case they did break him after all was a good way to sum up his character.
- Voice-acting was a bit off with the prison warden, but I got used to it by the end of the episode.

 

When did he undermine anything Anakin said? From what I remember, he basically stayed out of it. If you're talking about that bs Ahsoka spun when they were unfrozen, I'm pretty sure that was just a flat out lie. Ahsoka didn't misinterpret anything, it was just deliberate insubordination.

 

That's what I meant by putting interpret in quotations - that Ahsoka knowingly spun the story. Hopefully this is the case, although Plo's silence still seemed out-of-character; when Ahsoka made the point that it wasn't Anakin's decision when she should put her life in danger, I would have expected Plo to respond with 'On the contrary, it is exactly Anakin's decision'. That's where I originally thought the conversation was heading, but no.

 

Great episode i'm so glad we get rid of that irritating Mortis-story so i don't need to look for hidden philosophical parallels from plotholed piece of cr*p - but i can enjoy the story which was simple SW-fun and nice to watch - too bad episode was only 22 minutes long but... well- at least they learned to do cliffhangers to this series and i'm happy about that two weeks and we can see how this prison break continues- we know Ani, Obi, Cody and Wilhuff do make it- and yeah from previews we can know bit more .... but hey who would really want to see Ahsoka dead anyway- come on she's everyone's great favorite others are in danger since they don't have to survive- excitement added there so it's nothing like Padmé's assassination attempt- again - that is doomed to fail.

This is what TCW should be IMHO- simple fun for fans- little nods to movies- new locations, characters and "facts" from SW-galaxy- this is fun to watch even though plots may not be completely new and exciting all the time.....

ok pros and cons:

+Simple nice adventure and great fun to watch
+Captain Tarkin- if he is in TCW-episode cannot fail badly - voice was ok- not exactly as i hoped but enough Tarkin to be Tarkin- also having non-clone captain was very welcome in the first place- having him to be one of the most underused SW-characters ever is even better....
-his appearance don't really mess-up his continuity either he just now served in military as "captain" just additional info

+Even Piell- russian accent was nice touch and "jedi captured" means that seppies had victory for once they should have started with separatist victory episode and then this prison break- they should've put Grievous to capture Piell anyway new jedi is also nice to see animated
+Prison break- even though we are waiting mainly break from rep-prison- but well... break from sep-prison was nice too
+Droids are having some patterns- even though they still lack security and pilotdroids they at least had red and bluepatterned units and bad@ss commandodroids with yellow markings......
+Ahsoka's and Anakin's character development is going to right direction- disobeying Anakin and lying (Or did Plo give her a permission? I understood he didn't- i dunno- i watch it again i missed the line Plo said when shuttle departed because i was disturbed when watching this ep ) Anakin's way to be overprotective explains this absence of Ahsoka in previous arcs- as she said Anakin tend to pick up safe assignments to her only...(well 'safe' like breaking through blockade of Ryloth, attacking Malevolence, chasing Cad Bane or participating battle of Felucia - very safe)
+Having EU-aliens like phindian is good- there is plenty of species to use and i like their phindian design over previous depictions... even though it's pretty similar
+Sep Med-droid -nice to see underused models re-used and there was no weequays in wrong place- it's now plus in every episode when there is no weequays in places where weequays shouldn't be....
+Having shattered world is nice nod to Peragus or Maw and ironic foreshadowing since this is Tarkin's first appearance in this... and it's on destroyed world
+I liked character of Osi Sobeck- real seppie baddie who is cruel even for droids- more guys like this to oppose heroes- instead of Grievous or Ventress embarassed....
+Carbon Freezing in this explains how Vader even got such a crazy idea on Bespin- but Bespin's chamber was "crude" according to him so it was not like this "fine and safe one" on Coruscant- unlike many probably claim this makes sense with ESB- Lando has no previous experience of carbon freezing living beings but Vader has.....
+Tarkin's experience of jedi makes sense with ANH- what Vader said to him before he says "He is here"?- well he could've said something about prison break on Lola Sayu where Obi-Wan was involved
+Ahsoka's troublematic

 

Well they were in carbonite for what? A couple of hours?

They noticeably were dizzy and coughing... and it seems that Obi-Wan considered to possibility of having ?hibernation sickness?... perhaps hibernation sickness is only contracted by some or at differing rates with different people. Still, I think they made an effort to show that it did affect them... they just weren?t frozen for long enough.

The only thing I have a problem with about the whole carbonite ?sequence? is how quickly they managed the be unfrozen... but then again that could be attributed to the amount of time they were in the carbonite...

 

yeah but that is exactly what i meant- it made sense but felt bit too quick and easy- especially unfrozening that was like in Rotj but ten times faster- it lacked the feel of being frozen and then unfrozen-

it felt like they would've been in cupboards or something and just came out rather than being frozen solid- it was more stylistic error than actual error- it lacked the feel of being frozen that was nicely done in OT.... but yes Han was frozen with 'crude machine' and he was in the carbonite about one year or so- it was natural he was bit more uncomfortably frozen- more slowly unfrozen and had bad hibernation-sickness (including temporary blindness) afterwards....

 

I liked this episode, great moments in it. However, unnecessary Ahsoka is unnecessary.

 

Here's a question:

How are they going to escape?

They're on full alert now, good luck getting past the blockade in a shuttle they've identified as suspicious.

Perhaps other opportunities will present themselves.

 

That's what Anakin thought too Anyway... I actually think it was nice to see how she is becoming problem to everyone- so she don't need to be killed but Anakin wants to get rid of her

But Ahsoka-marathon is really unneeded I agree- i hope we will have Ahsokaless eps... but well...maybe season4

And "Do as I say- not as i do" LOL My grandpa used this a lot as a half-joke when he still lived (so actually before i was born -but my father continued the tradition ) so it's personally funny comment to me
and definitely method Anakin uses with Ahsoka....wrong method to teach....

Reckless "I know how to get in but how not to get out"-plans are just classic Skywalker

but prisons are that kind of places- easy to get in- hard to get out