Full Series The Clone Wars: Episode 320: Citadel Rescue Discussion Thread

Ahsoka gets the job done, as far as I can tell thus far [being in the middle of season 2].

Who cares if she bends/breaks the rules?

Getting results is priority #1.

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This, to me, is why the jedi turn a blind eye to Anakin's antics [lol], for the most part.

 

Gee, what a weird idea, holding someone responsible for their actions.

As for how many times she has disobeyed and gotten away with it, I'm sure it's been more than once.

This worked out extremely well for Anakin. You know what, when someone does whatever the hell they want and rarely faces any consequences, it really does wonders for their character. That person definitely won't develop any behavioral problems. In fact, I plan on raising a kid and enforcing the idea that results by any means necessary is all that matters, I'll refer to it as "winning". As long as that kid is "winning", I'll never have to punish him/her or utter the word "no". I'm sure that kid will grow up to be a healthy, well adjusted, positive contributor to society. I'm hoping (s)he will also be a star athlete or "child star" so other adults will treat him/her the same way. My child is going to be such a winner. If there's anything I've learned about people, it's that those who do whatever they want without having to face the consequences always turn out well.

Duh, winning.

 

I thought about that, but I think the TCW won't take that big of a risk.

 

Even you can admit Ahsoka, in terms of character development, isn't going anywhere. She's still a mind boggling brat.

 

Agreed. Not to mention like I said before he's been a supporting/minor character in this trilogy, they won't kill him off like that.


Also Ahsoka has improved since the 1st season but I agree she is still a brat.

 

No baiting, please.

There's a difference between talking about character development and then describing Ahsoka as a "mind boggling brat".

 

Well Ahsoka rarely has character development. Even in one episode if she learns something, she's going to forget by the next episode she appears in. Even if this is a result from jumping around the timeline, it still doesn't show later.

 

I'm not saying Ahsoka should not be held accountable, but as Anakin is in charge of her development as a Jedi, he also bears responsibility with regards to her insubordination.

Ahsoka disobeyed direct orders in Holocron Heist, but was punished with guard duty. She disobeyed military orders by working with Separatists in Heroes on Both Sides and all Anakin said was something about her going too far that time.

If she gets shipped off to the Agri-Corps after this trilogy, then it will be a consequence. If not, then she'll have gotten away with insubordination yet again, but who's fault is that if the "Master" Jedi don't exact any consequences?

 

Of course if she is not punished that is the fault of Anakin and the Jedi Council.

I never disagreed with that, just that she has "gotten away with it" more than once.

Regardless of her master, Ahsoka chooses every thing she does as we all do. In the end she is responsible for her own actions just like everyone else. I tend to hold the individual committing those actions responsible above all others.

I guess I am likely to look at someone else if the person in question is a small child, but Ahsoka is not a small child.

I guess what I'm saying is that I basically put all the blame for Ahsoka's actions on Ahsoka, not Anakin or anyone else.

 

So when a kid grows up with bad behaviour because the parents always let him get away with anything, the kid is to blame and not the parents?

Right.

Ahsoka was bad to begin with, granted, but Anakin's responsible for making her worse.

 

Only we don't know anything about Ahsoka's childhood. We don't know if she was punished growing up or even when this behavior started. We know basically nothing about her prior to the age of 14.

Did you also miss the part about the small child?

 

No, you misunderstand.

What I'm saying is that there isn't really a difference between parents letting a kid get away with stuff and teachers doing that. Same goes for setting the wrong example. Does it matter if it's a parent or a teacher doing it?

No.

Of course Anakin is to blame for making her worse.

 

At Ahsoka's age, I think she is old enough to control her own behavior regardless of outside factors, so I put just about all the responsibility for her actions on her.

As for her background, I have to assume she grew up in the Temple trained by someone qualified to train younglings. I highly doubt she was allowed to break rules at will back then, she just chose to at some point. I get the feeling from what we know that she has been punished before her time with Anakin, but it just didn't work.

Just because someone, even your master/teacher/parent allows you to break rules, doesn't mean you don't know it's wrong and that you shouldn't be doing it. It doesn't somehow magically make you unable to resist breaking the rules. She has been punished before, we've seen it.

Ahsoka knows it's wrong, but she does it anyway. That kind of behavior is on the individual entirely.

That's my view, at least.

 

Last remnants of the jedi centrism have been swept away- Captain Tarkin has now full control over this show...... perhaps season4 will be 'Tarkin revealed' (ouch i hope they won't use Humble's twisted suggestion though- not everything need to be revealed )

Well he had honor of being killed by a true mandalorian- maybe he is just adopted etc. and no matter what some Almec says- Jango's action proved he is real mando- only mando can shot a jedi master on sight say nothing and holster his pistol in such a badass way..... Cad Bane could never do the same

ummm... Do you have kids? I don't but i know that at that age they are the worst- blaming teenagers for their stupid actions is not the right way to make them learn- it's just the age of becoming adult some mature fast other more slowly- usually law has 15 or something as limit of responsibility- i think it's bit too low in some matters.... but it's exactly what Ahsoka supposedly is now- i think she needs some lecture now and finally some development to her recklessness- i actually blame Plo- Ahsoka asked help and told him that she thinks she don't have to obey "overprotective master" and guy said nothing- what kind of jedi master is that? Bad one.... Ahsoka was trained by Yoda.... so it must Plo's fault..... or is Yoda bit bad teacher after all? Well he trained Dooku.... he trained Windu who was willing to break the jedi code and that partially caused Anakin's ultimate turning....

 

Well, I had sorta hoped they would talk a bit about the "massive armada"-part of the episode. But apparantly they don't think that is such a big deal. well...IT IS!!

 

...So, how about that all-star Jedi Ace team being sent? Preeeetty cool, huh?

Even if they don't acknowledge their skills in-universe (e.g. with action or a line like 'these are our best pilots'), I still think it's an awesome shout-out.

 

The EU fan in me is psyched.

 

So am I. And I'm also happy we haven't been spoiled at all. This could potentially be the best episode of the season.

 

I honestly find very little reason to watch the show beyond Ahsoka. We already know the end for the Jedi, we know the end for Palpatine & Dooku, Anakin & Obi-Wan, Padme and a bunch more.

I've always been more interested in the original characters the series has given us and Ahsoka is the main original character. For me the only emotional involvement is for her and Rex - I want them to live, want them to survive and that makes me want to cheer for them.

Its frankly very difficult for me to become attached to Sae Sae Tiin or Kit Fisto when we already know that there is no happy ending for those characters.

 

Whereas for me, judging by how ridiculous the entire "arrest Palpatine" scene was in ROTS, I'm fine with Mace's Posse kicking some ass.


I've enjoyed the Citadel arc to date, but think about how much more enjoyable it would have been if Plo, Tinn, Adi Gallia, and Even Piell were involved.

I'd say approximately 5x cooler.

 

This. Oh..btw...make it 10x.

 

No, that's only if Kit and Mace are involved.

Speaking of which, would it kill them to have Yoda do something? Ever? I guess he technically ignited his lightsaber in Zillo 2....

 

Well, it's sorta common to introduce new Jedi first before giving Jedi already introduced a big role again. Luminara Unduli and Plo Koon are probably the only exceptions.

 

Although it worked for 'Ambush' as a light introductory episode to the show, the problem with having Yoda see any action is that it's hard to show him in any real peril on account of his sheer badassness. Whereas it's fine and traditional for Obi-Wan or Anakin to find themselves cornered by droids, or hanging off a cliffside, etc, with Yoda it's almost as if he's simply too good to get into such situations in the first place, which makes it hard to write an episode based around him.

Same goes for Windu to an extent; look at how he handled those STAPs in Liberty of Ryloth. The nearest he got to peril was Bane's trap in Children of the Force, and yet even then it looked more like he was simply distracted from Bane rather than in any real struggle to survive.

 

Yeah, that's a fair point.

But I don't necessarily want to see Yoda kicking butt (not sure I ever needed to see that; I wish they had had Mace confront Dooku in AOTC and then left Yoda's only fight with Sidious in ROTS, but anyway), I just want to see him as the awesome character that he was.

The best part of Ambush wasn't really his destroying 8 billion tanks, it was the quiet moments with the troopers in the cave.