Full Series The Clone Wars: Episode 403: Prisoners Discussion Thread

^Tamson was not shark still but karkarodon that means he is technically part-time shark and part-time human...... he could've acted less primitively though i liked more this humane tactical side of him- they could've had monsters as separate beings- Firaxan sharks or something (okay it would be too much like anoobas i guess- at least so soon after that arc).....

Oh and I really failed to foresee the exact way Riff died- no Anakin slicing him with a saber as i thought......
He still attacked Padmé and there were obvious Jaws-tributes

 

How does the name Karkarodon mean he's part human? Carcharodon is the genius name for the Great White Shark and the Megalodon. There is nothing human about that name. In universe he is part human only in appearance and no more human in mind than any other nonhuman sentient in Star Wars. I don't think he was all primitive instinct. If you have teeth and powerful jaws then put your sentient mind behind them and use them well. Tamson did just that IMO.

 

No no no it just means he is "sentient humanoid" that technically means he thinks like human...

I was talking from OOU-pov he is no human but all "sentients" in SW seem to be like humans really with minor cultural differences- they all share "sentience" like that of humans....

IU he is karkarodon yes not human at all....

 

I still don't get how Karkarodon = he is part sentient human even out of universe. That mades no sense.

 

What's not to get? If Tamson was a shark, we wouldn't expect him to behave in any way like a human. Since he's a Karkarodon, a sentient humanoid alien, we can expect him to have human-like attributes.

 

If I took a Tiger's head and put it on a man's body and called it a Pantherine. How would using the scientific name for big cat give the impression this man tiger has like attributes? Its based on appearance not the name.

 

Most definitely! Specially if you told me it was a sentient species.

 

For all we know, that could be the Umbara arc's CIS commander...lol

 

I see. My problem is I don't see how the name itself means shark+human. OU Tamson's species's name is basically the genus name for the Great White and Megalodon misspelled. This scientific name already exists and has a meaning. In my mind it means jagged-toothed in Greek and belongs to the Great White Shark. I don't see anything human about the name itself. If someone put a tiger head on a human body and called its species a Pantherine, in my mind the name would still mean 'Big Cat'. The species name would have to be part human for the name to register as part human OU IMO like Homokarodon or Karkaropien. Kinda like Carcharodontosaurus.

Sad thing is I'd probably be cool with this, particularly if it were more leonine. I like big cats.

 

One of the things I don't get about Tamson and Trench (both of whom I thought were good additions to SW, BTW) is why they have to look so humanoid in the first place. Obviously in the movies it was easier to use human-shaped human-scaled aliens in order to realise them within a sane budget (see also Star Trek's 'lumpy forehead' solution), but there were some decidely non-humanoid aliens too - Jabba, the B'Omarr monks, Bubo, Wol Cabas****es, Lamproids and later Geonosians... wouldn't it be possible for TCW to create alien adversaries that don't look like humans in suits (seeing as they no longer are)? I appreciate it's part of a noble tradition, but animation does allow you to do literally anything.

That's not to complain about the rather cool Karkaradons - just maybe to ask did they really need legs and feet? Would a tail and maybe even fin-like arms not have worked too?

 

You're missing the point. Nobody said the name itself literally meant "shark+human", only that the name meant he wasn't a shark, but a humanoid alien sentient species.

I agree, animation offers total freedom, so it puzzles me why they don't take advantage of that. As you said, it's not as if classic Star Wars was only populated by "man in suit" aliens, it's only that the unconventional species were kept away from the spotlight due to the techincal restrictions (apart from Jabba).

Dave Filoni actually talked about that in the latest ForceCast, he said that they purposefully refrained from making Tamson too "fish like" so that they could retain the possibility of reusing the species model in future non-aquatic settings.

 

Good that someone gets what I'm saying

Karkarodon is not shark not human IU - neither one, maybe highly evolved relative of sharks, but from OOU-pov he is like combination of those species- not really original new lifeform...... whatever most Sw-aliens are not too original anyway.....

I would've liked him more if he would've been either less primitive or less humane, but didn't like the way he was both....

Just a talking sharks then? Hey come on..... IU it makes as much sense but seriously this is not Finding Nemo or anything... I still don't like him, but better to have humanoid than just a shark who talks

Maybe we could see Brizzit-separatist next There is enough foolish species created to movies and EU so i rather see them in good use- at least i cannot say they would be worse than species in movies....

 

May be a bit off topic but is anyone else getting the Clone Wars broadcast switching to Spanish language during the airings? It happened during the pilot and again with this episode. I've been trying to record from the standard definition channel on Fridays when away from home but it seems the audio is switching from English, and I'm not sure if that is happening during the live broadcast.

 

I watched the episode recently and I found it fun but I saw the conclusion coming. I mean it was obvious. The Prince finally save his people and the chief of the Quarrens realize he has made a big mistake and fix it by making peace with the Mon Cals and fight alongside them. The Separatists got another defeat, as usual. The episode end with the corronation of the new King and the cheer of his peoples. So, no surprise at all and a conclusion that Im sure lots of fans expected. But, I have to say the episode was fun to watch even tought what I said before. The visual was great like the two others episodes. So, I think that globally this triology was correct but not extraordinary.

 

It just boggles my mind that they spent all those resources to make three episodes about a story that is neither compelling nor refreshing.

The entire trilogy continuously failed to make me care.

Was it really that bad? Not at all, I just couldn't care less for the story, let alone that bloody annoying prince.

 

It would have been neat to have the Prince be a co-conspirator with Tamson to enslave the Quarren or something like that - and then Tamson killed him to take over himself.