Full Series The Clone Wars: Episode 410: Carnage of Krell Discussion Thread

Looking at the episode again, it's part of the other clones' voices, but Fives is the Scottish <s>fake</s> ARC trooper.

 

Actually, looking back, I think that Fives might have gotten that from Cutup. I looked back at Clone Cadets, and Cutup definitely had a scottish bent as well when mr brainhead threatened him in the hangar.

 

Thanks for pointing that out, I'll take a look at it.

 

Well, you certainly weren't th eonly one. I was fortunate enough to have been alone at my desk (I watched the iTunes version). But the battle sequence from the moment Rex realized the ruse, right up till his speech before they leave to get Krell, that was just too much for me. Just devastating the way the clones react as they find out, one by one - shock, disbelief, and then what must have been crushing guilt and shame. By the time Waxer came in, I thought I was numb. Turned out I wasn't.

I literally backed up to watch that whole sequence again - I knew I was missing details and such - and it was no easier the second time.

Good call. Remember that Rex admits to Cut's bravery, but falls short of endorsing his desertion. Now, with the weight of Umbara on his back, Rex must see Cut in a whole new light.

I love Fives (and Cut), but Rex totally reasserted himself as my top clone, in this episode. He had some of the most powerful lines in TCW.

 

Hmm? I don't think so. It adds a new dimension to it, that's all. Krell's simply using his established tendency towards mass frontal assaults and high body counts to mask an attrition campaign against the Republic. He has the rep to call in more clones as he needs them (like Waxer's platoon), and the Umbaran's are tough enough to make the losses seem believable. His bad*** nature also obscures his real intent - he bellows about what the Republic "cannot afford" when in reality he has no loyalty to the Republic.

 

Nah Cutup was definitely more Irish than Scottish.

 

That was the only time I heard a European accent. Otherwise it's been pretty consistent IMO

 

3/4ths of Delta Squad was all-American. Clones with abnormal accents are nothing new. It's not like Scottish accents are unheard of in Star Wars or even TCW.

As long as the overwhelming majority of the clone troopers are authentic to the films, I'm fine with there being a one-off Yorkshire Clone, a one-off Welsh Clone...

But all that presumably takes place a long time before this arc. Krell only seems to have turned fairly recently, so he can cruise along on his reputation as a competent commander based on his past successes. Those were all legit (hence the track record of success), so he's now a respected "war hero".

I believe CT-867-5309's point was that Krell at the time of the Umbara campaign is not suddenly an incompetent twit. His seemingly crap tactics are actually just a front for his sabotage. Hence all discussions about his abilities/lack thereof are just pointless.

Makes sense.

 

Even though I think using the sarlacc to take down Krell was weak (I kept wondering why it was taking him so long to cut the tentacles, his lightsabers are like ten feet long, all it would take is a quick jerk of the arm) and I was saying "please don't have the sarlacc eat him", imo it probably would have been better if it did eat him. I would have lamented it, but they already had the sarlacc be the cause of his defeat anyway.

That way the clones would have complete deniability and no one would have known (except them). It could be a secret among the clones, the "treachery of General Krell", the rumor spreading throughout the GAR and causing a bit of shock and disbelief.

It'd also wrap up the episode nice and neat without the need for investigation, because there would definitely need to be a massive investigation with perhaps several nasty court martials after what went down. You could make a "Few Good Men" arc after this.

It'd be simple:

Kenobi: What happened to General Krell?
Rex: Sarlacc ate him.
(roll credits)

Quango: Exactly, he's not trying to win, so all the analysis we did based on the assumption that victory was his goal is wasted.

 

That would have been great! xD


I am happy how this ended though..

"Then what?"

 

Yes, which again was why I wanted no mention of seppies or Dooku.

At least we had some good arguments about whether the clones were right to disobey Krell...him being a soon-to-be Seppie legitimizes every traitorous thought the clones ever had in the arc.

Still hard to reconcile TCW clones with the PT clones...

 

TCW ARC troopers obviously are hard to connect with the CW and micro series ARC troopers as well.

 

Dude, those are shades of grey.

I'd much rather rant about TCW-Padme vs. PT-Padme. Just thinking about this conflict... reminds me that there is genuine black-and-white in the continuity debate... it's intoxicating.

 

Perhaps we can just forget about the Padme discussions, and just discuss about Natalie Portman instead.

 

GG has been a regular poster here for quite some time and his posts are usually credible. The same can't be said for the other two.
I've never has such issues with their "opinions" before Umbara came along.

It's not about whether they like or not. They don't have to like it. They can hate it for all I care. Their reasonings just aren't good enough and it is very troll-ish.

What I mean by wrong is the way people handle this show. Granted, this show is clearly NOT targeted towards a single type of audience. Despite this, there are RIGHT ways to look at these things. You need:
-understanding of the plot. If the plot doesn't come together, then it's bad. The plot in this episode, DID come together.
That is not a matter of opinion.
-understanding of the characters. Works like the plot. The characters in the Umbara episodes received fanatstic characterization because there was plenty of background information to them they we didn't have before like Hardcase's reasoning for being a hardass or that Jesse is the "humorous" one.
That is not a matter of opinion.
-understanding of the possibilties. Characters have limits and the idea that any are invincible all because they have size, a particular kind of weapon, or a certain ability is outlandish.
That is not a matter of opinion.

People on here tend to misinterpret what I mean when I call "contradictions" on what they are saying. I'M NOT ATTACKING ANYONE'S OPINION. I have done it before but I've been straying from that for the last couple of years.

Regardless of what I have to say, this thread has turned unecpectedly heated and I'm not helping. I'm leaving it here. It really is a shame as I know these forums would have been in absolute heaven if this was 2009-2010 with these Umbaran episodes.

 

Ah, another topic ruined.

 

People change. Deal with it.

 

Yeah I know, you gotta wonder what "My home lies elsewhere" refers to now that Rex is all like - "What next?"

I watched this on my DV-R. It was still pretty tough the second time watching Waxer die, I ran it back a couple of times, and I don't know how its gonna be the third when I do a mini marathon.

Why do you let like 4 bad opinions ruin the topic for you?

 

Hey, isn't this a family-friendly forum.

 

^Oh man, must resist posting link to South Park video.

 

It's usually the same thing over and over again, there is no point in arguing or even debating it anymore. Not to mention some of the reasons they stated why this was a bad episode is absolutely hilarious.

 

I know four of the names. Echo, Fives, Cut-Up and Heavy. But, who was the fifth clone in the Domino squad? I think he died at the moon base's entrance when the commando droids first attacked, but I don't remember ever hearing his name.

 

Droidbait was the name.

He doesn't even get a death scene. It's pretty much a given that he's dead.

 

Droidbait

and yeah, him and Nub were the two to die when the commando droids attacked the Rishi Station.

 

droidbait