Full Series The Clone Wars: Episode 412: Slaves of the Republic Discussion Thread

I agree that it's an improvement over the tubetop, but her age should be in their "creative team's" mind when designing new attire for her. Even if this arc is related to slavery, I would much rather see an adult, like Aayla, in Ahsoka's slave outfit, than seeing an underage girl in the outfit. For me, it's just disturbing, and I treat it as a whole new outfit. I can't speak for those who seem to like it for what it is or favor it because they compare it to her different clothing. It's still oversexualizing an underage girl. Outside of her new attire, I'm still equally disturbed by their choices of camera shots.

 

I don't remember this. Maybe Google will refresh my memory.

FWIW, I didn't see much sexuality in this episode involving Ahsoka, probably because I definitely wasn't looking for it. But it's not surprising, they are slavers after all. I don't think the Russian accents were a coincidence, knowing the sex slave trade is out of control right now.

I actually saw WAY MORE sexual undertones between the Queen and Anakin. Imo it wasn't undertones, it was obvious.

Then again, with Ahsoka's normal outfits you don't have to look for sex, it's clear as day.

Btw, new LACWAC drinking game.

Take a shot every time Seerow mentions Power Rangers.

WARNING: You may die of alcohol poisoning. Drink responsibly.

 

and Thundercats.

 

I'm not apologizing. I'm gonna stick to what I know when giving examples. Go ahead and drink to me but if you don't like it, sucks to be you. =b

 

lol okay

 

I know, huh. They throw out years like it's nothing. First the thousand years the Sith have waited and now the Zygerrians with their 25,000 year old grudge. Sometimes I wonder if Lucas listens to himself when he sits down with Filoni and crew while they go over the storyboards. They must think he's a wacko.

 

Hatred can live a long time.

There have been "feuds" (I love that word) that have gone on for hundreds or even thousands of years between two groups of people here on Earth.

 

Twenty five thousand years ... well maybe Zygerrian years are shorter

 

I do wonder how aware people are of the extensive human trafficking that occurs in the world today.

 

One other thing that should be mentioned, and maybe it will be in part three, is what it the political situations of this in the CIS and the Republic. Are the moderate CIS members in favor for this alliance with slavers. Weren't they suppose to be against corruption? Are the Republic worlds demanding action and pressuring Palpatine and the Jedi to attack the Zygerrians? Since it was a Togutra colony, is the Togutra government planning any action? Do the Zygerrians feel the CIS is going to win and feel safe capturing whole Republic planets of people? And does Palpatine has to have a final plan for the Zygerrians?
Again, the comic is useful here (come to think of it, it looks like they sadly dropped the best subplot of the story)

Anyway, while the Sith do want to strengthen the Zygerrians, they do want to keep them to keep the slavery a secret for now. For example, Dooku blames the disappearance of the Kiros colonists on the Republic, saying they wantonly slaughtered civilians in their attack on the planet.
The Queen's very public slave auction really pissed off Palpatine and Dooku, they later complaining to the queen about how hard they had made diplomacy for him, and that several pro-CIS worlds ran back to the Republic when news got out. The Queen's flagrant refusal to follow orders (both the auction then later to kill Skywalker and Kenobi instead of keeping them prisoner) eventually leads to a breakdown in the alliance, and she loses her spot on the Separatist Council.

Kiros is independent from the Togutra homeworld of Shili, as far as I can tell. I doubt they will be involved.

 

They're togrutas not togutras.... just saying and Shili has nothing to do with this... CIS senate probably knows nothing as usual- Dooku controls the war with his generals (and separatist council)- senate is not really in control of the CIS droid army. I wonder if Miraj's position in council is mentioned but I think not.... why TCW abandoned all members of that thing?- I just cannot understand it.... seppie council is in movies they cannot suddenly remove it from canon

 

Second time in a row that CT-867-5309 has been reading my mind. Expertly put.

The politics alluded to in this episode are great stuff. The Zygerrians' social darwinism is intriguing and disturbingly reminiscent of the real world. It's intriguing that the Queen sees the corruption of the Senate as more abominable than her own planet's slavery and slave-trading. It seems that many other Separatists are like this - staunch opponents of corruption yet perfectly objectionable in every other regard. Consider Gunray, Tambor et al.

It makes you realise that Mina Bonteri in Heroes On Both Sides is a pretty huge idealist and personal fangirl of Dooku rather than a committed Confederate. I sense violence in Raxus' near future...

 

Zygerrian biology is confusing- guy on Kadavo (Agruss) looks very different than other zygerrian males- is that some subspecies or what?

 

Overall a really good episode...are they really taking the break now? Yikes.

Only thing that really bothered me was Ahsoka's not staying on script, and the ROTJ reference. This show seems to rely way too much on the films, and to me it's going to rob the films of their magic when the kids see them.

"Oh that's what Anakin Obi-Wan and Ahsoka did in that one episode!"

"No, actually this came first."

Too much blatant usage. Tone it down.

 

Where was it ever established that it was 25,000 years ago that the Zygerrian slave empire was put to an end by the Jedi? Oh wait, I forgot. It was declared somewhere here on the internets and now has become true!

 

You know, I didn't even notice the leg the first time I watched it. I'm always watching people's faces, stuff in the background, etc. So after all the talk about this shot, I watched it again, and I swear the only reason I noticed it is because of the complaining, otherwise I'd have missed it again.

I don't see what the big deal is. I don't notice it, because I don't think of Ahsoka that way. For me it's just the same thing as a 7-year-old in a bikini by the swimming pool. If these things would make me nervous, I'd have a problem.

 

Perfectly put, Humble, I feel exactly the same way.

I think the viewer has to be complicit in any interpretation of Ahsoka as 'inappropriately sexualised', and if you don't see it (and I don't), you don't see it. That said, the corollary of that position is that each viewer is coming from a different place, and thus their interpretation of what it is they're seeing is just as valid as yours and mine. That's why I stop short of raising an eyebrow at those folks who do have a problem with it - it's all about your own cultural and even personal background.

Incidentally I asked my wife whether she thought Ahsoka was inappropriately dressed (in general), and she said: "I think you'd have to know what people thought was appropriate", which is a third way of looking at it: maybe it's what people in the SW universe think that matters, and none of them seem to have a problem. Although on that note, I see Dejah Thoris, famously naked in the Burroughs Mars novels, is fully clothed in Disney's John Carter adaptation. So maybe in-universe only gets you so far these days.

 

Your wife is wise.

Just keep in mind, though, many women like myself are used to (and hence "touchy") about the overuse of inappropriately sexualized women in inappropriate situations, especially when the men are not so treated.

Anyone remember the car ads with women nearly embracing the vehicles? Sure, they may have inappropriately "muscled up" the men from time to time, but women were often the lure "in them days." I will grant you that things have improved since I was a "young 'un."

Times are a changin', no doubt, but we seem to come up with all kinds of excuses - in-universe as well as out - why WOMEN need catsuits, or skin showing, or __(fill in your blank).

With that said, though, I don't think this shot was that bad - sure, you might have seen thigh, but it wasn't emphasized with lighting or a close up.

I'm more concerned with "what was Obi-Wan thinking" than "Ahsoka's thigh showing."

But to each their own.

 

Are you kidding me? I have been advertising the ERB Mars novels in my signature the entire time I've been here until YESTERDAY, and right away when I take it out people start making ERB Mars references! The universe hates me.

And, unfortunately, they couldn't really have had Dejah Thoris naked as she was supposed to be.

 

I think they should take a look at that. Not really because of the sexual content but some of the violence often contained within.

It sounds like the channel is making an assumption that its a completely kid friendly show when it might not be right for all audiences(presumably subjective from parent to parent of course.)

 

That's a good, balanced analysis, Tordelback.

It's better than the cries from some quarters that those who have problems with what young characters wear are the REAL perverted pedophiles.

I've never seen that here on TFN, but I've seen it elsewhere...

However, the swashbucklingjedi's view that gender-swapping the characters can tell you a great deal is one that I share.

 

Wow. This is stuff they really should have kept in the episodes. Nice to have some immediate conflict, but to get the galactic aspect/Sith controlling the strings...

Can't help but think they could have shortened up Kidnapped and given us some of the political machinations.

 

Hopefully Dooku's reaction to the auction will be in the next episode. The Queen's refusal to follow orders was one of the reasons I liked her character/the comic so much. I'm thinking maybe the shot of Dooku's Solar Sailer over Zygerria in the preview could be him about to tell off Miraj. I only hope he doesn't end up fighting Anakin again...

 

Confederate_Republic posted this in the Kidnapped thread:

It was even worse in this episode. I noticed it, and thought "whoever made that rant must be fuming right now". It was one of the few times I actually thought about a fellow LACWACer while watching the show.

To be clear, this isn't some attempt at trolling, it's sympathy. I actually thought the rant held some rather amusing truth to it.

I'll take Action Guy Skywalker over Emo Skywalker any day, though. (he's still whiny in TCW, they've just toned it down and replaced it with Action Guyness)

 

He's much better as a Han Solo-esque (loosely) rogue figure than a whiny teenage Emo character.

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